george amedore -- standing up for us. >> that shadowy new york money, that's you. >> i think that's me, although i don't know which shadows i'm in, i mean, we're fully disclosed in public about what we were doing >> but he's the iry th i mentioned earlier. you started a super pac last spring, friends of democracy, because you don't like super pacs, right? you want to get rid of super pacs? >> we were the first to recognize the irony, and we've got a lot of fun out of it. we are the super pac that is, that has a mission of reducing the influence of money in politics. >> who funds your super pac? >> so i funded part of it. and then we raised about half of the money from other sources. >> isn't it a little weird? you start a super pac to defeat super pacs? aren't you escalating -- aren't you proving in effect that it takes a super pac to win and, therefore, you're escalating the arms race? >> so again, it's a serious question and i think there are a couple of different points to make about it. so the first is our objective is not to force the private money

cecelia tkaczyk for senate. >> her opponent was george amedore. he was a sitting assemblyman from, you know, from an adjacent, conjoined district. he then put out a halfhearted response and said he was for campaign finance reform but only about disclosure. and he did that, and then he attacked her on her support for citizen funding. that's one of the reasons it became the central issue. >> her name is cecilia but goes by cece, cece tkaczyk. so amedore starts calling it the cece tax, she wants to have a tax named after herself that's going to cost everybody in the district money to pay for elections, to give money to politicians. that's sort of your worst nightmare when you're running a campaign. i've got a new tax named after me. she was forthright. she said this is going to make our system better. voters responded. >> jonathan's super pac supported it financially, but you put boots on the ground, didn't you? >> sure, they were an army of door-knockers and phone bankers and volunteers going door to door identifying voters and then turning them out