byron? >> well, it probably helps him in the iowa caucuses, you have to remember the last iowa caucus was actually won by a former preacher, mike huckabee and one before that, 2000, by george bush, who said in a debate in domain, jesus crisis was his favorite philosopher and it probably helps in iowa. the question is, if you do a lot of that will it turn off independent voters in a general election kind of strategy? bill: you mentioned previous presidents. i think you are right about that, whether ronald reagan or bill clinton or jimmy carter and george bush. they all talked about their faith and the influence it had on their lives. but, perry seems to be different. and now you have to gauge how people accept that. or not. >> well, here again, think about primary strategy versus general election strategy, and, another perhaps subtle thing is the issue of his rivalry with mitt romney. four of the g.o.p. candidates have accepted invitations for spoken at liberty university. and one of the ones who has not is mitt romney who is in fact a mormon. and, if there are any evangelicals who have a problem with mitt romney's mormonism, i'm not sure there are, but if there are, it is