joining me now is conservative attorney, george conway.with this big question, he is ranting and raving and losing it, losing his mind outside the courtroom. >> whatever he had left. >> his adult children are gonna testify over the next nine days. you followed him a long time, you've watched a, i think this is impacting him psychologically? >> you could see it, you could see in the clips he's making mistakes, he's babbling incoherently even more than usual, this is striking it as your intro pointed out at the heart of his persona, this is who he was, the mogul, he was the mogul apprentice, he's been that in new york for 50 years. and now it's coming crashing down, that he's been found to have committed fraud, the books, records and statements of financial conditions are false. the judge has already ruled that there is no issue a fact on whether or not they were false, as a result the judge said, ordered that trump organization can't do business in the state of new york should be invalidated. it puts them out of business, he'll have to liqu

joining us now is conservative attorney, "washington post" contributing columnist, george conway. phrase that he used, it has such clear historical anticedents, even somebody as poorly read is the former president certainly knows where that phrase come from, that idea comes from. he knows the words he's using. >> right. he's not a very intelligent man, but he does have a reptilian form of intellect that really lends itself to this kind of rhetoric, and he is profoundly, profoundly psychopathic in the way that he expresses himself. but if you go back to 2017, like you just did, and 2016 and 2015, the people who first figured out donald trump were the historians, the historians of authoritarianism, the historians of international relations, and the psychologists, and the reason that they all figured it out is because they came at donald trump from two different angles. one, from the mindset of the inner workings of his mind. the other from what he says and how he commands the affections or desires of people. and that's the authoritarian part. and what we see here is a man with lacki

let's see what george conway says about this.t he's showing up at his civil fraud trial a lot because this one gets him where it really hurts? >> yes, i fundamentally agree with it. in a way, it's even more fundamental. this puts him out of business. this case is putting him out of base. >> it's money. >> yeah, absolutely. he's terrified he's not going to have the trump tower and all the things he's bragged about for decades for his 60 -- you know, for six decades, that it's go ing to be gone and he won't be able to run a business. the question is how much money is he going to be alo ued to keep from that, and that to him is striking at the core of donald trump. >> ran don question. when you're fined $10,000 by a judge, do you have to give the money the next day? do you pay on time? put it on a credit card? how does that work? >> i think it was reported in the news media, a check was written on behalf of donald trump and submitted to the client protection fund, whatever is required in new york. he has paid that. obviously at this

so -- and i think george conway said it best. you used that word "essence" in the open.ence is i'm big, i'm strong, i'm successful, i'm powerful. and this just puts a pin in that balloon and it just goes -- >> shrivels, shrinks. goes away. that's why he's so crazy? >> this is getting to him. a normal person -- and we know he's not normal. would be more afraid of jail time and would be more afraid of what's going on january 6 and what's going on with the documents. but to him this is his being, this is his sense of self, this is his size if you know what i mean, how big he is or how little he is. >> i said this last week. he seems to be trying to snatch jail time from the jaws of civil liability. he may end up in jail in a case that represents no real threat of jail time for him. >> i giend it interesting he's there. >> why is it he's there? >> i think it's what we're talking about. i think he needs to be there -- by the way, a little sidebar. my favorite anecdote of the week i spoke to michael cohen. i asked what happened when you saw him face to face? he goes i winked a

>> ainsley: we can all say that today, i remember being in high school and i went to hear george jones and conwayd said, i hope he shows up, his nickname is no-show jones. he did show up. he passed in 2013. we will get into that. how did you do it? when people struggle with drugs and alcohol, you stood by your man and made a commitment, how did you get through the tough years? >> the tough years, you have patience and know that you are in love with your husband or any person you are working with. have patience and as george would say, you don't have to nag and i didn't do that. without jesus, i would never have been able to get this man. >> ainsley: what was the point he said, i wanted to change my life. >> he said, i want to change my of well, accept the good lord and live a good life for you, be a good husband for you and that is what we worked on. he says, i want to go to heaven. >> ainsley: you want to read an excerpt? >> i can. >> his life changed what year? >> 1999, he hit a bridge and died really. god brought him back because he wasn't through with him. >> ainsley: literally hit a bridge,

conway, president of k.a. consulting and a fox news contributor and francis townsend, homeland security adviser to president georgeul that you're with us today. this is a big moment for president biden. fran, let's begin with you, if i may. many have said that he has not ar articulated the u.s. commitment in ukraine clearly enough to have americans understand what is at stake, why they need to stay committed to it. so we're going to expect that. that was supposed to be the thrust of this speech before this happened october 7. what do you think the president has to achieve tonight, fran? >> i think the president has to explain why these conflicts overseas are important here at home. post 9-11, we wanted to fight these fights overseas so we didn't have to worry about the threats coming here at home that is directly related to the fight going on in israel. we want israel to be successful in eradicating hamas there. we don't want to see those threats here. the president will use the opportunity then to try to attach this to what is going on in ukraine and explain it there. i think he also ought to think about border s