george emilio sanchez is from the college of staten island. thank you both for being here. is this issue, in your opinion, driving a wedge between the city and the state in terms of who should provide the funding for so many students throughout new york? >> sure. i mean, it is. and what we're seeing is that they need to invest more. the state needs to invest more, not less, in cuny. >> and you don't want to hold kids in the middle of a bitter negotiation such as this. >> of course not. >> one of the things we haven't mentioned -- you're a professor by trade, right? >> yes, i am. >> yeah, a teacher of... >> of theater, in the theater department, but i'm the chair of my performing and creative arts department. out is because professors -- if my research was correct -- haven't had a pay raise in, what is it, six years? >> in six years, and i work for -- my union is the professional staff congress, which covers professors and staff, and we haven't had a raise in six years. and that affects us deeply -- besides the sense of morale, that everybody's demoralized, but also retentio