so he recruited 60 plainsmen and had one of his staff officers, george forsyth, lead them to try to find indian, and they found them. they were outnumbered about 10 to 1 and were besieged at beecher island and survived, barely. >> barely. yeah. are there any controversies in the wars out west that you feel are still controversial, that you have not been able to decide one way or the other what really happened? is there any one or two that come to mind in and maybe not. >> no, not really. and i don't -- i'm not saying this to try to sound books or to sound at all arrogant, but i, even wounded knee. i won't spoil my conclusions, but they may surprise some people. but i came to a conclusion that i'm pretty comfortable with as to the question of whether or not wounded knee was, in fact, a massacre. so in terms of the individual conflicts, i feel that i've resolved them to my satisfaction after four years of research -- >> and that's the best part of this book, to get your take on this, someone who really has delved into this greatly. is there, there's an indian museum you talked about to me

and had one of his staff george forsyth leave them.bered tend to want to besieged beecher island. and they survived, barely. >> barely. are there any controversies in the wars of west that you feel are still controversial? they have not been able to decide one way or the other what really happened. is there any one or two of them that come to mind? and maybe not. >> not really. and i'm not saying this to sound at all arrogant. but i, even when did knee, i will not spoil but they may surprise some people. i came to a conclusion that i'm pretty comfortable with as to the question of whether or not wounded knee was exactly massacre. so in terms of individual conflicts, going to resolve them to my satisfaction after four years. >> that is the best part of this book. your take on this. someone that really has delved into this greatly. is there, there is an indian museum we talked about prior to the show that you are really, you feel everyone should go to. >> the buffalo bill center of the american west. in wyoming. i can't recommend highly