i think if you spend a lot of time alone, there's an academic george gerbner, who writes about the mean-worldyndrome. the longer time you spend watching scary shows on television, the more you believ the world is a hostile and dangerous place. and it's not smart to go out and engage. i think a lot of people who watch too many of those kind of programs really do tend to withdraw. once people come out and they just spend a little bit of time with other people in their community, they have this experience. that was one of the things that was striking on my roadtrip. people would have this experience of joy. you know, just pleasure in being in each other's company. even if they're doing something as simple as having a big potluck to celebrate local food. just -- just something as simple as that. just it brings out all the joy and pleasure and sense of, oh, maybe we can do something here. maybe we can make a difference. >> i think -- i hear that a celebrate that. yet, i'm thinking of all those places across the country where there are people who are too afraid to leave their homes, too afraid to v