the music of george gershwin. all the musicians, duke ellington, his thing was not about separating himself from the rest of america. go to the forefathers of our music. jelly roll martin. they are not thage our music and saying this is for me. a broad riverpbing music, american music, opera that incorporates all to have people in the environment. that is the achievement of jazz. when i say our, i definitely mean all of america. it is not less pertinent for you because it comes from a black person just like a great achievement by an anglo american is less important. tavis: that's the answer i knew you were going to give. >> i get passionate about it. tavis: i know this. i wanted to make the pointer, and you made it clear that it is all of ours. at the risk of violating your personal confidence and our private conversation, i want to put this out there because i know it to be true and i really want you to open this up. juxtaposes nicely against your comment now that jazz belongs to all of us, and yet i know that it