maybe many young people might not know who george gilder is but he was in the reagan administration work with paul craig roberts father of reaganomics all that sort of stuff but you know him back from the eighty's all those famous books and and the tech industry during the ninety's and he's actually an older guy but very very pro bitcoin and i overheard a debate happening between him and peter schiff while we were waiting to go up on stage and i whipped out my i phone and grabbed some of the debates there is a little bit of interference at one point somebody had a mobile phone that made a little bit of interference but let's cut that clip to see their debate about bitcoin this point is a new. it's currently dominated by speculation and you're right. it's maturing into a current no it's not and never will be a crow will still could it ever be a currency the middle is not is the moment no it's not the forms unlimited will do shows you the current use of criminals you don't care about volatility because it's like it's like change to have your money want it well it's a specialist in ven