mary pass and it didn't work. >> well, dan quayle actually did work in terms of -- >> made george herbert walker bush george herbert walker bush got elected with dan quayle on the ticket. >> no, no, i'm saying i'm with david on this. >> he's got the -- doesn't romney seem like an orderly guy, a 9:00 to 5:00 guy. not honorable does she look presidential, the running mate, but somebody who would give you their own state, which would be ohio, an essential state for republican candidates. >> look, david corn made my point. by talking about sarah palin. it's just -- you run a huge risk when you put someone on the ticket who causes voters to to mistrust your judgment by choosing someone who is not self-evidently from day one ready to be president. and as you say, chris, i think when it comes to mitt romney, you look at rob portman and you can see a sympaticoness. >> let's talk about your rule. when you pick that prn, it says who you are. let's talk, i want you to pick up here, john. if president obama, whatever he says when he does it, if he drops joe biden and brings in -- and brings in secretary of state

has notot voted f any real tax increase since 1990, when george bush's budget deal, in which replican lore was the reason george herbert walker bush lost a second term. >> dana milbank in "the washington post" said that senator kyl was thehe spoioiler. >> you cannot pin this oone individual. we had no give on either sidof any significance. the republica were locked into their position, and why shouldn't they be? they have one on everythi they have tried to achieve by jt saying no. >> i actually give the democrats some credit for moving off the dime of it. but the l lack of trust and the lack of ability to ve a corresponding move -- thee tragedy at was this was a system that may have b been doomed to failure, but it also could have been doomedo success, because it guaranteed vote on thee floor it circumvevented the need to giva 3/5 vote to kill a filibuster. if that they could have come to an agreement, it would have gottenup or down vote. >> what a a surprise that nina would ha found that democrats deserve somome comtted on this committee. i'm really shocked to hear that. the facts that despite all the protestatitions of the

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although george bush, or george herbert walker bush was promised $2 in phony spending cuts for every dollar of tax increase. taxes went up. spending actually increased, it wasn't cut. twice the democrats have said, let's raise taxes and cut spending. twice taxes were increased, spending was not reduced at all. so, the american people aren't falling for that again. we know that if you raise taxes, the politicians in washington simply spend it. and they can promise anything they want, but lucy and the football, charlie brown isn't going to fall for this again. >> but, mr. norquist, don't times change? isn't that what alan simpson is saying? i think his conservative bona fides are pretty well established. and he's saying, look, times change. they're required a balanced approach, and in this kind of economy, after a financial crisis, revenues have to be part of the picture. >> no. raising taxes slows the economy. raising taxes kills jobs. government spending does not create jobs. the idea that if you take a dollar out of the economy and then -- from somebody who earned it, either through

george w. bush, and george herbert walker bush, the last through republican candidate, based on their positions could not be nominated by these republican voters given their positions on immigration. >> brown: david, does that sound right to you? and what of gingrich? >> i'm not sure huckabee could win the caucus. it's the position he has always held. it showed he was brave enough to say it. in the past, otherring have said we're not going to send home 11 million people who have been here for decades as mark said. to me it's a character test for mom. mom knows in his heart of hearts we're not going to send thee pease home. is he going to say the truth he believes or willing to say anything to be elected? i think gingrich is probably not going to be hurt all that much because i think a lot of people who want to restrict immigration rights basically know this reality as long as they can get the border enforced and controls on illegals as long as there can be enforcement on employeres, they understand the reality. but will mitt romney demonstrate that he understands the reality? will romney show t

. >> not gone republican since '88 when george herbert walker bush was running. now it appears the democrats are losing their edge here. it is a tossup. >> it could be, and particularly mitt romney, a favorite stepson if you will. obviously he didn't win office here, had relatives, in-laws run for office, his father was governor of the state, so there is that aspect. not everyone is convinced another republican could put it in play, per se, but the economy is tough here, and the auto bailout as debbie dingell said, democratic strategist married to john dingell said it is about 50/50 here in michigan, even though the republican party officials in michigan are in favor of it, against the republican grain here, here it is sort of 50/50. >> what about the bigger picture also in terms of the elections, whatever warning signs that both parties may have gotten from voting yesterday. we saw the ohio vote which was to reject republican governors moving against collective bargaining agreements for public employees, and also saw it in mississippi. really interesting rejecti

so fortunately he had a lot of middle names, george herbert walker bush, so i wrote a poem that was:farewell to you, george herbeet walker. though never famous as a talker, your predicates were often prone to wander nounless, off alone. [laughter] you did your best in our own way, the way of greenwich country day, so just relax and take your ease and never order japanese. [laughter] >> pretty good. that was eight lines, so... [applause] >> that was, i was willing to sacrifice... >> they didn't pay you more for that one? >> no. >> no, no, of course not, crazy. >> they have never paid me more for anything. >> now the molly ivins piece, is that... >> oh, the molly ivins piece was a eulogy... >> ...from, from her memorial service. >> never before published but in this... >> no, that's right. >> ...this case, right. >> that's right. that was from the memorial service.. >> right. >> ...for molly in new york. >> well, i think you get a sense of the range of pieces... >> right. >> ...just frrm your description of those things, and it rrally goes from one end to the other and there's some nar

control one of the rehabs destroyers had been to what reagan borrowed three trillion dollars george herbert walker bush for another trillion and a half dollars his son borrowed five and a half trillion dollars i don't see a lot about a year and a half. million is that right and by the way three trillion dollars was a hell of a lot of money. i guess we can argue that but i think if you look at barack obama's own base the outstretched anybody is a spender i mean it's funny that he ran saying he was going to cut spending even go through the budget line by line and right now the most important thing congress and the white house can do is balance the budget as we have in the hollywood and republican states three hundred to four hundred thousand people in those states and at the at the federal level would last about three hundred thousand employees these are actual jobs government can hire hire people and those jobs and those people who pay in their pocket in the back creates demand demand is what drives economies unless you're unless you're still going with the supply side nonsense that you're going to came

back in the sixty's it got eighty one percent of the house to vote for it and gerald ford george herbert walker bush and a lot of. republicans voted for it a lot of democrats did too today the problem with the current system and we're seeing it in each election is getting more and more severe is that with the sort of the partisan breakdown only a few states are seen as competitive where where. i could be the candidates might change to win some state so all these other states are going to say state friendly red and blue and they because of this winner take all rule or there's no need to campaign in basically forty or fifty states i want to talk about that especially as we are if you can believe that just about one year away from the twenty twelve presidential election a lot of other elections going on to. of course but there is a common perception and that is that many of the early voting states iowa new hampshire. are every election cycle showered with tons of money because of where they fall in primary voting and like you said so many the majority of other states are cutting their issues as well ar

mockery that's going to come from the late night comedy shows, and it goes back decades to george herbert walker busht which they abused and exploited and completely misinterpreted to feed this narrative that he was out of touch. and then the same thing with dan quail and potato, and, of course, an entire election cycle of beating up on sarah palin while obama and biden, i call it bidenrhea of the mouth. every time he opened his mouth it was a disaster. but we never got that kind of treatment from the democrats. the bottom line on some of this is every politician is going to commit these kind of gaffes and every one of them is going to be brain freezes once in a while. we are all human, it's true. when it comes to the obama administration it's not so much occasional cluelessness that worries me it's the systemic corruption that the mainstream media is turning its eye to. >> between the fast and furious, the gren energy, the cronyism, i've never seen anything like it. and i think ultimately within the next year as people get educated and catch up, i think it's going to have a big impact on the electio

george w. bush should know better! because the tradition of actually pardoning a turkey for thanksgiving began with his father, george herbert walkerush, 22 years ago. next up, noted islamphobe pamela geller is warning against the islamization of thanksgiving through butterball turkeys. is that true or false? yes, that is true. but what else would you expect from the woman behind the campaign against the ground zero mosque, which was neither a mosque nor at ground zero. in an article published this week in the american thinker -- i'll let that sink in -- in an article published this week in the "american thinker," geller asserts that all butterball whole turkeys are certified that lal. she bases this on a communication between one of her blog commenters and a butterball representative, which i think means somebody called the turkey talkline. so geller is now calling for a boycott of butterball. so we contacted butterball to ask them if their the turkeys are certified halal. and here's their statement in response. "our domestic products are not halal certified and thus, do not require any additional on-package labeling. as is common

george w. bush, and george herbert walker bush, the last through republican candidate, based on their positions could not be nominated by these republican voters given their positions on immigration. >> brown: david, does that sound right to you? and what of gingrich? >> i'm not sure huckabee could win the caucus. it's the position he has always held. it showed he was brave enough to say it. in the past, otherring have said we're not going to send home 11 million people who have been here for decades as mark said. to me it's a character test for mom. mom knows in his heart of hearts we're not going to send thee pease home. is he going to say the truth he believes or willing to say anything to be elected? i think gingrich is probably not going to be hurt all that much because i think a lot of people who want to restrict immigration rights basically know this reality as long as they can get the border enforced and controls on illegals as long as there can be enforcement on employeres, they understand the reality. but will mitt romney demonstrate that he understands the reality? will romney show t

you know, in 1980, george herbert walker bush won iowa with a plurality because the conservatives wereonald reagan. if he can win the plurality of the vote there, he can go on as a victor. >> the "wall street journal" reports today romney may have a good chance, a good shot because of lack of enthusiasm for the field. "in two straight surveys in the past month, veteran iowa pollster ann selzer has noted a drop from four years ago and evangelical christians. mr. huckabee topped mr. romney by nine percentage points. ron, it doesn't look like it's a winning -- cain has been getting in trouble with the charges against him, accusations. perry doesn't look like he can handle himself on the stage. there is no huckabee. >> yeah, well, look, this isn't the pga tour where you can choose which events to enter and which to skip. he has to run in iowa and do well there. i think he's going to find it very challenging. here's the other thing, chris. even if he wins in iowa, there's going to be no quick kill in the race. david was talking about the 2004 democratic race. that went on through march. you

. >> ron reagan jr., three republican candidates in a row, george herbert walker bush, bob dole, andd. why won't they just do it again? the fourth guy in a row they don't like. >> well, they will. romney is going to be the nominee. but this is incredible. you know, ed is right. the republican voters are saying, look, he's the guy that can run against obama and maybe win, so we should try and get this guy in. but what's the big, you know, bete noir for republicans now? it's obamacare, obamas health care plan, creeping communism. but romney's plan is the same. so what are they voting for? >> ron, we've got witness ppz and we had one tonight. thank you, ed rollins as always. thank you, ron reagan. when we return, let me finish with the exasperation in this country with the two most vibrant political movements, the tea party, if you will, and certainly occupy wall street. you're watching "hardball" only on msnbc. [ female announcer ] we are taking new ultra downy with silktouch to the streets. which shirt feels more expensive? i get to touch these guys? oooh, ooh la la. i'm feeling their

george herbert walker bush, bob dole, and cain. not one of them they liked.urth guy in a row they don't like? >> well, they will. i mean, romney is going to be the nominee. this is incredible. you know, ed is right. the republican voters are saying, look. he's the guy that can run against obama and maybe win. so we should try and get this guy in. but what's the big -- you know, for the republicans now it's obama care, obama's health care plan, creeping communism. but romney's plan is the same. >> i got you. we got witnesses tonight. thank you. we had one witness tonight. thank you, ed rollins. when we return let me finish with the exasperation in this country with the two most vibrant political movements. the tea party if you will and certainly occupy wall street. you're watching "hardball" only on msnbc. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro. your core competency is...competency. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle...and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the mid-size price. i'm

history, but there's got to be a trend in the right direction to the vision thing, that george herbert walker bush the vision for the future of the economy? independent voters in the white house, they believe, will be swayed by, and they have some evidence, they believe, to support that people buy that obama's still a guy that's got some vision, and he's stymied by forces in washington and the republicans, etc. that's, i think, where the -- >> will they show us a picture of what the second term will look like? >> that's a good question. and i don't know. if it's going to be austerity, if it's going to be tough choices, if it's going to be medicare cuts and stuff like that, i don't know -- >> he may be lucky with his opposition, though. if the republican candidate is pushed so far to the right -- >> how do you put luck into a model? he ran against cain when he was at the end of his career. he ran against alan keyes in the united states senate. i loved your piece this morning. i like those newspapers i get at hotels. >> good. >> thank you, susan page. and thank you, david gregory. republican preside