asking for 84 units we look forward to continue to work with the developers we've dealt with george hourser in 1988 and but those guys are we have we wrote to the planning department they issued about driveways and alleys in general began on october 29th why they want criteria's on ralph this was a document from the directors office yesterday morning about garages on alleys that's a short time between then and today they're full of wrong assumptions we could have corrected if we were involved but we were not now we finally had a good meeting we can have a conversation now but we've only started this is a case were serving the principle of due process that leads to a better policy this is an unusual street i don't think anyone said it narrows at the point where the driveway comes out to people have to go an extra difference where the street narrows it's a difficult turn and the preservation of a human scale in the city with the intention of fulsome street as grand boulevard there's a tension between grand boulevard and our western selma plan that preserving the small streets they're part of