his rifle -- [inaudible] and the book is a cry for restoring some of that accountability the george marshall used in world war ii that marshall gave generals about 90 days to two months to either succeed, get killed or be replaced. and that is why today people like fred and bald have been forgotten. we know names like ridgway and eisenhower. the younger officers who were moved up because they were successful and we lost in korea, vietnam and iraq. >> i am glad you bring up colonel again wing in iraq is that clearly is the context informs the book although it is a work of history going back to world war ii and to the present day. you make the point that there is more accountability lower down on the food chain than our general officers now. [inaudible] >> that's exact rewrite. [laughter] that is not in the book i don't think. how many people have held to account for the disastrous setbacks the military had early on, the failure to see things? >> not really. the stunning thing to me is, good trivia question, who is the last army division commander relieved from combat ineffectiveness? as best

was under tremendous attack, and we think of george marshall really as a heroic figure, and i think a lot of people thought that at the time as well. certainly harry truman did. and eisenhower did not defend marshall when mccarthy attacked him and this was seen as a betrayal. and that tension then came out when eisenhower made some early appointments in his administration and picked some classy people, like chip bowen to be ambassador to the soviet union, and the mccarthy crowd fought it. and so seems to still play itself out in different ways now. if you look at the new start treaty on arms control, which everyone in the military was passionately for, and yet it was very, very difficult to squeeze out current republican votes for that. so we still find different ways that this expresses itself and may have implications of -- for the next four years on foreign policy questions. >> you look at who romney wants to appoint, it's pretty bold, aggressive folks who i don't think would make the break with the kind of hard right wing in his own party. i think in 1952, you're absolutely right

and third, and this is key and this is where you get to the george marshall.uture. she is bringing hundreds of young women from the areas we've been talking about this morning and she's bringing them in together for weeks at a time. these are members of parliament, these are young ministers, et cetera. i saw being in europe, i saw the effect of doing that with the young leaders. they are now -- they are now the prime ministers, they are the foreign ministers, et cetera, and they understand the united states. >> chris, can i add something. >> yeah. >> i think that we're not talking about the elephant in the room. hillary clinton's main legacy is the fact that she has created such status both at home and abroad that she is the natural democratic candidate for president in four years. and that's not just for women's rights but that in terms of what happens next politically in this country is tremendously important. so i think we can't write off that. but i think the irony is that the second obama term is likely to be more interesting in terms of foreign policy, b

. >> have you george marshall, the marshall plan and the hen rear kissinger who helped to open china. what has hillary clinton done? no one can name that. >> remi, obama is helping hillary and not his own vp. in a way she has become monica and biden has become hillary. >> i don't think so. i don't think so. >> did you follow my logic at all? >> not at all. >> that's what obama did, and for the first time hillary is now in the spotlight. isn't that nice? >> she is retiring from the position. this is the first interview the president has ever given like this. it is not that he won't do it with biden. it is the first of its kind. in a second term we will see probably a number of interviews like this over the next couple years. i didn't see it as a glowing endorsement for her campaign in four years. i really didn't. it seemed like a respectful differential thing to do. but i don't think it was to biden. >> all right, all right, all right, enough from you. gavin she -- no. biden, yes. can you imagine what our president -- what the united states would be like if he was president? it would b

bob took me inside one day and said we need more about george marshall. a couple years later i'm in the archives, i immersed myself into the marshall papers. really came to admire the guy. i don't think he was a likable guy. the other hero of the book is eisenhower. i think eisenhower is underrated. the job of managing the allies, of dealing with the british, the french -- >> montgomery was -- >> montgomery is a piece of work. at one point -- montgomery won't come see marshall, so september 10, 1944, i'm sorry, montgomery won't meet ike so ike flies up to brussels. he can't get off the plane because he wrenched his knee. so montgomery comes to see him, pulls out the memoranda and says did you write this? shia rubbish. essentially eisenhower says steady there, i'm the boss. it's fascinating to me how that is a typical relationship of the british and they're realizing that we are replacing them, not only in combat effectiveness but as a superpower. how eisenhower kind of let them down easily, manages that, doesn't fire montgomery authority sorely came close

days of the policy planning staff to make it work as he wished with the total support of general george marshall, these periods of optimism were fleeting. both men sounded the alarm about soviet intentions. chambers, the roosevelt administration as early as 1939. roosevelt administration through diplomatic reporting from moscow in 1944-45 which he also felt to have been -- both men found themselves isolated from many contemporaries, even ostracized for having gone out on limbs but kennan's came quickly and less painfully than that of whittaker chambers. neither took satisfaction in vindication. self congratulations for both men, most atypically in the modern age was almost impossible. that is remarkable of the 20th century. one reason for this was religious faith which became deeper for both of these men as they aged but that faith resided in the city of god, not the city of man, hence that phase, minimal expectation beyond bearing witness accomplished in his life. and the capacity, and leave the little country, the united "% states, survive in a sinister "% world. both were at the same time ded

. >> hagel is no george marshall and no henry kissinger.s he not somebody of great stature and ideas of his own. he has never been known for that and nobody has been able to produce a single idea or a single piece of legislation. he will do what the president wants him to do. that's one of the reasons he chose him. there is an affinity of views and i don't expect him to stand up to the president. the way i would have expected a panetta to when it came to drastic cuts. >> bill: all right. let's assume that hagel is. >> he will be the president's -- >> bill: set guy in there are you got iran coming down the pike and hagel has been soft on iran in the sense that he doesn't want to confront iran. and then hagel is also not a friend of israel in a very bullish way. so you have got those two things as well. >> look. on the iran thing. the word soft is is an understatement. we have had very legitimate and serious argument between patriots on both sides who argue for a military option and for not. vis-a-vis iran. nobody argues for not using sanctio

planning staff where he was able to make it work as he wished with the total support of general george marshall, who have been become secretary of state. these periods of optimism were fleeting for both men. both men sounded the alarm about soviet intentions. chambers, the roosevelt administration threw it off early, as early as 1939, with no visible result. kennan, to the roosevelt administration through diplomatic reporting from moscow in 1944-45, which he also felt to have been in effect. both men found themselves as result isolated from many of their contemporaries, even ostracized for having gone out on the limbs. although kennan's indication was far more quickly and far less painfully than that of whittaker chambers. neither took satisfaction in vindication, however. self congratulations for both men, both atypically in the modern age, was almost impossible. that's remarkable. one reason for this i think was a religious faith, which became deeper for both of these men, as they aged. but that faith resided in the city of god, not in the city of man. hence, that faced minimal expectations f

i should say i believe george marshal -- just to name drop a little bit, who years before that had come up with this idea of question propagation, the principle of question propagation, that every answer begets more questions. >> host: do scientists wrest on their laurels after a while. >> guest: i guess everybody does after some point. i think resting on laurels is a dangerous thing for science to do because those laurels tent not to be all that foundational, all that strong a foundation. i think one of the thing that probably the public recognizes least about science is that we tend to have less regard for fact than i think is generally thought to be the case. scientists, although we work for facts, we work to get data, we also realize they're the most mallable, least rely part office the whole operation. that whatever you fine today will superly be superseded in some way or another, revised, overturned completely in the worst days but certainly revised by the next generation of scientists with the next generation of tools. it's always been in the past 400 years or 14 generations. and

when george preston marshall bought the nfl franchise from boston in 1932, they played at braves field. that is where the name came from. they became the redskins when they moved the next year to fenway park. in 1937, the redskins transferred to washington d.c. >>> it is time for this morning's four down showdown. >> the redskins' offense squares off against the defense. >> this is a special edition of the four down showdown. the post-season edition. two guys who have already played it once this year. lorenz a alexander representing the defense and aldrick robinson representing the offense. >> lorenzo, you think you got cheated the first time. >> the trash talking has begun. the first down question. this popular fish market in seattle features fish being know the name of it. i know they throw them. i have no clue. >> ill aa give -- i'm give a i multiple choice. -- i'll give you the multiple choice. >> seattle fish company, pike place or fisherman's wharf. >> firer man's wrarve. >> no. >> pike place. >> this popular tv dramas centered around doctors at the fictitious see the grace hospi

no single achievement she could point to, there's no great conceptual advance of policy like george marshal'sharvard. and there isn't anything she can point to. what we do see is deterioration of our security in a number of respects, not doing much, if anything, to stop iran or north korea from advancing their nuclear weapons program. falling way behind in the war on terrorism across north africa and the middle east. and seeing our relations with china deteriorate with no strategy in place at all. i mean, i could go on, but time is limited. >> megyn: but they said that, i mean, she was instrumental in getting the harshest sanctions against iran ever put in place and strategy in libya, getting gaddafi deposed. i mean, those, those count. >> well, as i say she did a workman-like performance, but when she came in sanctions at iran were this level and launched missiles and other things and got sanctions and it's true it's more than before, but considering u.n. sanctions negotiated by of all people by susan rice, not to be her successor. >> megyn: on the question of gaffes, there was an awkward mo

of the game -- first play of the 4th 4th quarter, tied at 31, george bulldogs aaron murray escapes from the pocket. great catch by marshall touchdown. murray throws for five touchdowns in a school bowl record of 427 yards passing. georgia over nebraska 45-31. >>> you remember this guy. >> yeah. >> remember when he said not very good. former skins coach steve sperrier facing the out -- spurrier facing the outback bowl. three minutes left. the wolfines down 5. 17-yard touchdown, two-point conversion failed. final seconds, south carolina at the michigan 32, dillon thompson, caught by bruce ellington for the game-winning touchdown with 11 seconds left. south carolina defeats michigan 33-28 for its second consecutive 11th season win. very good. >>> coming up next on fox 5 morning news. >> history for sale, a personal piece once belonging to jackie o. before her days in the white house hits the auction block. and that's not the only treasure up for grabs. we'll tell you all about it when we come back.  for me it's the thrill of a chase. it's getting a good deal at less than what you could pay normally for it. and t

george p. and keep going with the bushes. >> greg: my favorite moment, you remember president james marshall from the 1990s. after -- you don't a picture apparently. thank you very much. there he is. right after air force one has been taken hostage by terrorists. he fought the hijackers and was able to land a plane. we met afterwards in the inauguration and thanked nefront of millions and got his ear pierced. >> dana: i remember that well. scary when air force one was taken over by terrorists. >> greg: it was nuts. one looked like gary oldman, which is weird. i got to go. i know. coming up, finally, something i'm excited to talk about today. football! apparently dana and bob had an interesting time watching the games last night together. where was i? i'm going to make a prediction. dana somehow finds a way to mention jasper. ♪ ♪ try running four.ning a restaurant is hard, fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do i

marshal's name has been floated. and there are judges who have gone on to be big effective senators, george mitchell, of course, being a classic example. but it is not common. barney frank, and you, have outlined a very substantive case. and for most who have watched politics from a distance, it makes sense if you have a job are limited time you want somebody with experience, the way you want somebody who played in the minors, before you have them play in the majors, particularly if it is only for a few games. >> like you and me, of course, he used to be a senate staffer before he ever went off into his judicial career. >> people always tell me that lawrence o'donnell and ari remind them of george mitchell. >> same guy, thanks, ari. "the ed show" is up next. >> tea for two. let's play "hardball." >> good evening, let's start with this. barack and hillary, good-bye or hello? last night's dual appearance on "60 minutes" a fine good-bye or a statement? was it the president saying i know which way the wind is blowing? was it barack obama saying i want a democrat to replace moe? any way you listen to it, i think secretary

marshal's name has been floated. and there are judges who have gone on to be big effective senators, george mitchell, of course, being example. but it is not common. barney frank, and you, have outlined a very substantive case. and for most who have watched politics from a distance, it makes sense if you have a job are limited time you want somebody with experience, the way you want somebody who played in the minors, before you have

marshal's name has been floated. and there are judges who have gone on to be big effective senators, george mitchell, of course, being a classic example. but it is not common. barney frank, and you, have outlined a very substantive case. and for most who have watched politics from a distance, it makes sense if you have a job are limited time you want somebody with experience, the way you want somebody who played in the minors, before you have them play in the majors, particularly if it is only for a few games. >> like you and me, of course, he used to be a senate staffer before he ever went off into his judicial career. >> people always tell me that lawrence o'donnell and ari remind them of george mitchell. >> same guy, thanks, ari. "the ed show" is up next. some republicans in demographic denial are fumbling on immigration reform. i don't trust them. let's get to work. >> this will be the year. >> the immigration overhaul is on. republicans look like they're cooperating. but can democrats trust them? >> in espanol, vamanos. >> senator bob menendez of new jersey is here with the details. plus, labor reaction with leo

george ra the gator bowl against mississippi state nebraska takes the lead. and the first with murray. flushed out. throwing it to marshall yds and to take a look with chris connelly. we speed it up. no defenders and you were 87 yds to put the game on ice. five touchdowns. georgia ovictorious. michigan vs. south carolina. taking on the michigan wolverines. sanders, take a look. 14-3 south carolina. 22-21. take a look! this ball is free. and how under four minutes, michigan takes the lead by one in. 17 seconds, thompson. for the injured starter ellington and it makes the catch. the game-winning touchdown. 33- 28. a south carolina. northwestern has not had a victory since 1949 the longest drought in college history. it ended today in the gator bowl against mississippi state. fitzgerald. tyler russell intercepted by quentin williams. and on the 30 yd line, northwestern, 7- nothing. cold air cannot find a receiver and it takes it off and 31 yds down to the number 4 yd line. and trevor 27-13 northwestern. 34-20 = final score. fitzgerald. their first victory since 1949. >> the 49ers in the midst of three days off as harbaugh re

marshal valor. on the contrary, it required at least on senator kerry's part and considerably less so on mine, extraordinary diplomatic skills. the administrations of president reagan and george herbert walker bush had pursued limited engagement with the government of vietnam with the purpose of vietnam answering questions about the feats of many americans listed as pows and mias. that was led by a man we respect enormously, john vesey, who continued as the president's special emissary to vietnam and president clinton's administration. by the early '90s, i think both john and i had come to the view that it would be better for our country to have a relationship with vietnam that served our current and future interests, and one that continued to nourish the haultilities that our recent tragic past. but we both understood that could never be the case unless we knew american soldiers were not still kept against their will in vietnam and until vietnam fully cooperated in helping us account for americans who didn't return from the war. to help find answers to their fates in 1991, then senate majority leader mitchell and minority leader dole appointed a committee which john and bob

marshal valor. on the contrary, it required, at least on senator kerry's part, and considerably less so on mine, extraordinary diplomatic skills. the administrations of president reagan and george herbert walker bush, had limited engagement with the government of vietnam for the purpose of encouraging vietnam to provide answers of the face of many americans who were still listed as pow-mia. that effort was led by a man both john and i respect, former chairman of the joint chiefs, vecsey, who continued as the president's special apple sear to vietnam in president clinton's administration. by the early 1990's, i think both john and i had come to the view that it would be better for our country to have a relationship with vietnam that served our current and future interests than one that continued to nurse the hostilities of our recent tragic past. but we both understood that could never be the case unless we knew american soldiers were not still kept against their will in vietnam and until vietnam fully cooperated in helping us account for americans who didn't return home from the war. to help find answers to their fates, in 1991 then senate majority leader mitchell and minority

marshall valor. it required at least -- it required extraordinary diplomatic skills. the administration of president reagan and george herbert walker bush pursued limited engagement with the government of vietnam. many americans were still listed as pow mia. that effort was led by a man both john and i respect enormously, the former chairman of the joint chiefs. he continued as the president's special emissary to vietnam. by the early 1990's, both john and i had come to the view that it would be better for our country to have a relationship with vietnam that serve our current and future interest and one that continued to nurse the hostilities of our recent tragic past. we both understood that could never be the case unless the new american soldiers were not still kept against their will in vietnam and until vietnam fully cooperated in helping us account for americans who did not return home from the war. to help find dancers -- answers, appointed a select committee. members of that committee had passionate and conflicting views of the subjects. whether or not vietnam's still kept american pows. the subject was contro

marshal valor. on the contrary, it required, at least on senator kerry's part, and considerably less so on mine, extraordinary diplomatic skills. the administrations of president reagan and george herbert walker bush, had limited engagement with the government of vietnam for the purpose of enqurge couraging vietnam to provide answers of the face of many americans who were still listed as pow-mia. that effort was led by a man both john and i respect, former chairman of the joint chiefs, vecsey, who continued as the president's special apple sear to vietnam in president clinton's administration. by the early 1990's, i think both jaurn and i had come to the view that it would be better for our country to have a relationship with vietnam that served our current and future interests than one that continued to nurse the hostilities of our recent tragic past. but we both understood that could never be the case unless we knew american soldiers were not still kept against their will in vietnam and until vietnam fully cooperated in helping us account for americans who didn't return home from the war. to help find answers to their fates, in 1991 then senate majority leader mitchell and mi

marshall valor. on the contrary, and required at least on senator kerrey's part and considerably less on line commands extraordinary diplomatic skills. the administrations of presidents reagan and george herbert walker bush pursued limited engagements with the government of vietnam for the purpose of encouraging vietnam to provide answers to the face of many americans who were still listed as a pow, mia. that the effort was led by him and we both respect enormously, general john vessey, former chairman of the joint chiefs who continued as the president's special emissary to vietnam and president clinton ministration. by the early 90's acting both john and i had come to the view that we would be better for our country to have a relationship with vietnam the served our current and future interest than one that continued to nurse the hostilities of our recent tragic past. but we both understood that could never be the case unless we knew american soldiers were not still kept against their will in vietnam and until vietnam fully cooperated in helping us account for americans who did not return home from war to help find answers to their fate, in 1991 then senate majority leader mitchell a