it's believed that george mason's policy restricting weapons in campus buildings and at campus events is specific enough. no need too to change that one. virginia tech officials will meet with the board of visitors decide if language needs to be revised on its policy banning weapons. >>> voters in maryland likely will have the opportunity to decide whether to grant in-state college tuition benefits to the children of illegal immigrants. opponents petitioned for a refer endoum what is called the dream act. that act passed back in the spring. they now have enough verified signatures on their petition according to the "washington times" newspaper, this suspend the dream act until voters make a decision in the election in november of 2012. >>> a new report on alexandria's sulphur dioxide plant has d.c. mayor vincent gray concerned about it health of district residents. research by the sierra club shows most of the emissions from the potomac river generating station are blowing into ward 8. sulfur dioxide exposure has been linked to respiratory problems including asthma. mayor gray said to

we are at the arlington campus of george mason put the university school of law. wanted for which it welcome the former chairman of the democratic national committee. you are a teacher yourself. guest: i teach in the fall and the spring. host: let's get to what washington is dealing with in terms of the debt limit. there have been serious negotiations. beyond the talking points of where the republicans and democrats are, what is going to happen? guest: there are three options. the one is the unthinkable -- there is not an agreement. that would be economically catastrophic. the second option is that we either reach a big deal, with a four trillion dollar package on the table -- we either reach a large deal, or we do a patch job. i think it is important we try to reach for a larger deal. host: but the republicans are saying no to that? guest: they are saying no publicly, but i hope they will do their duty. they say they care about the deficit. we ought to be trying to find a significant solution. the whole debate around as debt ceiling limitation vote is really an i

>> george mason? >> you pointed out that all schools have become -- some are the reverse is in the last 15 years or so since i've been teaching but that happened from history, political science, sociology, anthropology and so forth, and my fury is this is in part because we have a supreme court in the judges to this by the republican they take seriously faculty's can't just write to rauf but if you have -- if you have i would be interested in why they've had a shift at least with other disciplines being immune to any kind of ideological diversity it's an interesting question and the law school's to not be as ideological extremist the anthropology of sociology is pretty well for out. disciplines and others are even more lopsided than what it takes some doing. the law has been the most influential of them and i think you proposed a very interesting first cut at y professors who are particularly if the intent to specialize as so many do in the issues of the constitutional law if they can't predict what t

. >> actually, there was a stud they george mason university did, the first seven months of every president obama and it turns out that the media hates presidents. the positive coverage is in the 30s and as a matter of fact clinton came off worse and obama came off worse in their first seven months than the republicans and, of course, in... on fox news channel, the obama numbers were at least 12 points lower. >> stephen: well, they have to be fair. (laughter) obama is 12 points worse. (laughter) >> on fox. >> stephen: okay. so this is... i mean, it's a great book. it's kind of like a graphic novel. we've got lots of pictures in here. it's a... it's a comic book. >> uh-huh. >> stephen: and you're in it a lot. >> yes, i am. >> stephen: if you're going to put yourself in a comic book, why cast yourself as an npr host? (laughter) why not give yourself, like, heat vision or something like that? why do it in this particular medium? you know, as a marshall mclewin said, the medium is the message. what is the message of your medium being cartoons to explain our media? >> well, part of it is a gaunt

yes. >> david bernstein, george mason law school. one thing, i mean, you pointed out that law schools have become at least somewhat more ideologically diverse which i agree with in the last 15 years or so that i've been teaching. that has not happened, from what i can tell, in history, political science, sociology, anthropology and so forth. and, um, my tentative theory is that this is, in part, because we have a supreme court and judges who are appointed by republicans, and they're taking these ideas seriously, then faculties can't just write you off as a nut. but if you have some other -- i'd be interested why law has actually had a little bit of the shift whereas at least other disciplines seem immune to any kind of ideological diversity. >> it's an interesting question, and on the tendency of law schools to not be as ideologically extreme as anthropology or sociology, that's pretty well borne out in the surveys that have been done. those two disciplines and some others are even more lopsided than law which takes some doing. the l

there is now the george mason law school in the d.c. suburbs here, which has a brilliant market strategy went out and scooped up a lot of conservatives and libertarians faculty were being undivided and types of offers they were getting elsewhere. it has risen rapidly in the rankings again, and yet by almost any standard they have done brilliantly in acquiring, adding beyond their weight. so, even though it is easy to get discouraged about some of the trends, some of them are also self-correcting to some extent in that there is club isn't. alan dershowitz to my disagree on many other points but put it this way. everyone's diversity is getting more results come and hiring is like a club in which you get tired of people who are already in the club. that hasn't been said that there's almost no comparison in the federal society has been important between the number of young faculty would agree with many of in this room, and same sort of survey had you done it 15 years ago, no comparison. there are so many more of them now. yes. >> my name is

there are some other questions. >> david bernstein, george mason law school. one thing that you pointed out that law schools have become at least some more ideologically diverse which i agree with in the last 15 years or so. that has not happened from what i can tell of history, political science, sociology, anthropology. and so forth. and my theory is that it is in part as we have on the supreme court judges ray point -- appointed by republicans and these are taking these ideas seriously and faculties can't just write you off as a nut that if you have other explanations i would be interested by the bar has had a little bit of ship then leans towards other disciplines them into other ideological diversity's? >> that is an interesting question on the tendency of law schools to not be as ideologically extreme as anthropology and that is worn out in the surveys survey said than done. those two disciplines and some others are even more lopsided than law which takes some doing. law has been the most influential of them and i think he proposed a very interesting fir

a tree concert at george mason high school at 7:00 followed by fireworks around 9:20. >>> there may have been an official changing of the guard at the wimbledon final. >>> the cubs will be coming to town today. more in sports. >>> a time to take a look at the question of the morning. >> it is every year we spend $111 million on two things during the 4th of july weekend. one is charcoal. what's the other? problem sickles -- popsicles, hot dogs or beers? here's the response you posted on the facebook fan page. joy brown, b. you to put something over all the charcoal. making sense there. >> log on to the facebook fan page and leave your response. we will reveal the answer later this morning. beth! hi. looking good! you've lost some weight. thanks! you noticed! you know these clothes are too big now, so i'm donating them. not going back there again. good for you! how'd you do it? eating right, whole grain. whole grain? whole grain. [ female announcer ] people who choose more whole grain tend to weigh less than those who don't... multigrain cheerios has five whole grains and 110 lightly sweet

bring the blankets to george mason high school. the fireworks going at 9:20. learn about all the events and more by visiting metromix.com. >>> and of course 6:42, and we are back with your weather first. a live look at ocean city, maryland, via a web cam. >> people are bike riding this time of the morning. >> people are headed to the beach. >> can you believe it? >> there will be storms today with highs in the upper 80s, and it's pretty hot for us already. >> in the low 70s now, and if you like to get outside and exercise, do it early. code orange, unhealthy for sensitive groups. >> it's hot and muggy. >> it may be one of those days if your hair likes to go curly, it will be really curly later on. especially with the showers and storms popping up where you are. add rain on it. you know the drill. weatherwise, i used to have the brillo hair when it was longer. [ laughter ] weatherwise, a chance of a few thunderstorms later this afternoon. 6:00, still at 9 -- at 89, you can see how quickly we will be rising. northwest winds, 5 to 10 miles an hour. tonight, the f

at george mason high school in falls church, the celebration gets underway with a concert at 7:00 andeworks go up at 9:20. in bowie, the party takes place at allen park. food and music begin at 5:30 and fire washings startworks start at 9:15. for a complete list, log on to metromix.com and you'll find a link on the front page. matt. >> the fate of the florida woman accused of killing her young daughter is in the hands of the jury. casey anthony is facing seven charges, including of course first-degree murder. cameron brown joins us live from outside the courthouse in orlando, florida with the very latest. karen. >> reporter: the jurors have been deliberating for another five hours and this case comes down to is whether the jurors will actually believe that casey anthony killed her daughter because she didn't want the responsibility of being a mom. jurors are now deciding if casey anthony murdered her two- year-old daughter, caylee. prosecutors got the last word. >> the defendant was lying about everything. >> they wrapped up their case by showing these photos of anthony after her daug

george mason university's weapons policy apparently won't need to be changed.t restricts guns in campus buildings and at campus events. that's believed to be specific enough to meet the law. virginia tech officials will meet with its board of directors to decide whether the language needs to be revised on its policy that bans weapons. >>> a virginia store is accused of selling a banned product. k2 spice, a synthetic marijuana product that produces a high similar to pot. authorities arrayeded arabica tobacco in falls church seizing 200 packets of k2. the drug enforcement administration says k2 is a potential health risk, increasing the risk of seizures in people who use the drug. >>> after a brief dip, it appears that gasoline price,climbing back up. prices in maryland, virginia, west virginia, as well as the national average, are all up from a week ago. what is causing this latest increase? news 4's megan mcgrath is live in crystal city, virginia, with the answer. good morning, megan. >> good morning, joe. there are a couple of different reasons, but if you're

he's also been on the faculty at george mason university school of law here. he's a graduate of harvard college and harvard law school. he has clerked for the second circuit. he's co-authored for the most widely used book on legal ethics. he's also written a number of things on that and other subjects. he was the constitutional law advisor to the supreme national council to cambodia and insisted on writing that country's first democratic constitution. he's also consulted with democracies throughout the world after the implotion of the soviet union as more and more new countries around the world were able to write democratic constitutions and develop democratic governments. he's been active in the american bar association in regard to professional responsibility. he's also served as special counsel in the department of defense along with many other contributions to the legal profession and to the country. he has been selected as the best lawyer in washington, d.c., in 2009 in ethics and professional responsibility. and right now in california he's a commissione

he's also been on the faculty at george mason university school of life here. he is a graduate of harvard college and harvard law school as clerked for the court of appeals for the second circuit. he has co-authored the most widely used book, he also has written a number on that another suspect street is the constitutional adviser to the supreme national council of cambodia and assisted in writing that countries first democratic constitution. he's also consulted with democracies throughout the world after the implosion of the soviet union, as more and more new countries around the world were able to write democratic constitutions and developed democratic governments. he's been active in the american bar association in regard to professional response ability. he's also served as a special counsel in the department of defense along with many other contributions to the legal profession into the country country. .. reporter once said you have these big case of the end of the truman, true story, why don't you spread them out more evenly so we can cover them? and he

he has also been on the faculty at george mason university school of law here. he is a graduate of harvard college and harvard law school, has clerked for the court of appeals for the second circuit. he has co-authored the most widely used book course book on legal ethics. he also has written a number of other treatices on that and other subjects. he was the constitutional law advise tore the supreme national council of cambodia and assisted in writing that country's first democratic constitution. he has also consulted with democracies throughout the world in the after the complosion of the soviet union as more and more countries around the world were able to write democratic constitutions and develop democratic governments. he has been active in american bar association in regard to professional responsibility. he has also served as a special counsel in the department of defense along with many other contributions to the legal profession and to the country. he has been selected as the best lawyer in washington, d.c. in 2009 in ethics and professional responsibi

host: we are on a number of campuses of george mason university. arlington, virginia, the school of law. just a few miles from washington, d.c. joined by the former chair of the national democratic committee, tim kaine, he's running for the u.s. senate. presumably against george allen. he's facing a primary challenge as well. get to your phone calls. challenge. phone calls.your dana joins us on the democrats line. caller: with the debt talks, it goes back to the question of whether the rublicans want to insure there is an educated populace. with the arion budget that was passed in the house, it would add $6 trillion to the deficit. they would have to increase the debt ceiling any way to go along with that budget. this is not a debate for nothing. how hard do you think it is for republicans to govern if they continue to sign a number of pledges that pigeonhole them into certain positions, which into certain positions, which means there are held with those positions, instead of working to a purpose? host: thank you. guest: there is a pledge, probably

of political science at george mason university. he is someone who has been a consultant to redistricting authorities, including the arizona redistricting commission who has launched through brookings and a.i. as well as the public matching -- mapping project, entellus the efforts to increase public participation and transparency in this entire process. then we will end with my colleague norman ornstein, a resident scholar who everyone knows. appropriately, he will tell us after hearing from our other three colleagues, what it all means for politics and policies. that is the game plan. david, kick ass off. >> thank you. thank you brookings for giving d often under lip project. pundits, academics, cartographers, you name it. i am pleased to see some the innards out here in the audience. i definitely am one. redistricting is really one of the only arena is, not the only arena in which it is fair to compare lebron james and dennis kucinich. i do not think he will do any better in terms of winning. i really think examples of how redistr

he's the chair of economics at george mason university and the general director of the mercadis center and wrote a book "how america ate all the low hanging fruit and got sick" and will in parent these -- in parenthesis feel better. we just heard somewhat good morning, americay picture from tim that we're just too slow to adopting the bureaucracy, in a way glenn had a slightly different view things are hurdling forward and there are tremendous opportunities. and i think you kind of have a third view which is not deciding on which of these guys is right but saying hey, the average american isn't really benefiting from a lot of these technologies. you want to talk a little bit about that? >> i see my view as the following, if we look at measures of what economists call the total factor productivity, that number has mostly been low since 1973. that is we are innovating at a slower pace, we're relying more on people to work longer hours to get more output. but that said, i'm not a pessimist forever and ever. i often think of innovation in terms of general purpose technologies. if you go ba

is a nonresident senior fellow here at brookings, associate professor of political science at george mason university. someone who has been a consultant to redistricting authorities including arizona, redistricting commission, who has launched through brookings and aei as well as the public mapping project, and will tell us of the efforts to really increase public participation and transparency in this entire process. we will then and with my colleague, norm subward, a resident scholar at aei who everyone knows appropriately. norm is going to tell us after hearing from our other three colleagues, what it all means for politics and policy. so that is the game plan. david, kick us off. >> thank you to brookings for giving so much love to and often under love topic, but i often call redistricting a once in a decade nerd fest for politicians, pundits, academics, lawyers demographers, cartographers you name it. i am pleased to see so many nerds out here in the audience. i definitely am one. god knows, but redistricting is really one of the only arena is it not the only arena in which it is fair

is a nonresident senior fellow here at brookings, associate professor of political science at george mason university. someone who has been a consultant to redistricting authorities including arizona, redistricting commission, who has launched through brookings and aei as well as the public mapping project, and will tell us of the efforts to really increase public participation and transparency in this entire process. we will then and with my colleague, norm subward, a resident scholar at aei who everyone knows appropriately. norm is going to tell us after hearing from our other three colleagues, what it all means for politics and policy. so that is the game plan. david, kick us off. >> thank you to brookings for giving so much love to and often under love topic, but i often call redistricting a once in a decade nerd fest for politicians, pundits, academics, lawyers demographers, cartographers you name it. i am pleased to see so many nerds out here in the audience. i definitely am one. god knows, but redistricting is really one of the only arena is it not the only arena in which it is fair

has been a professor of law at george washington university law school and is also called law at george mason university school of law. welcome. as you know, the testimony that you are about to give is subject to title xviii section 1001 of the united states code when holding an investigative hearing this committee has the practice of taking testimony under oath three heriot do any of you have an objection to testify in under oath? >> no? okay. the chair advises you under the rules of the house and the rules of the committee, were entitled to the advice of counsel. do you desire to be advised by counsel during your testimony today? no? if not then please comer mize -- >> mr. chairman, i hate to interrupt but one thing i would ask at least as one member here is that pictures are not taken while they are being sworn in. i know this is done but i think it is unfair to the witnesses and i think it sends a message that is not inappropriate and i would ask that the camera people not to take a picture of the individuals with their right hand raised. just think that it's used to often to send the wro

is a nonresident senior fellow here at brookings, associate professor of political science at george mason university. someone who has been a consultant to redistricting authorities including arizona, redistricting commission, who has launched through brookings and aei as well as the public mapping project, and will tell us of the efforts to really increase public participation and transparency in this entire process. we will then and with my colleague, norm subward, a resident scholar at aei who everyone knows appropriately. norm is going to tell us after hearing from our other three colleagues, what it all means for politics and policy. so that is the game plan. david, kick us off. >> thank you to brookings for giving so much love to and often under love topic, but i often call redistricting a once in a decade nerd fest for politicians, pundits, academics, lawyers demographers, cartographers you name it. i am pleased to see so many nerds out here in the audience. i definitely am one. god knows, but redistricting is really one of the only arena is it not the only arena in which it is fair

i am a student at george mason university. i have a question about the terrorist detainee's. he said that the president wants -- you stated that the president wants t to close at guantanamo bay. has there been a decision yet about those that are held there? >> congress has expressed concerns about the closure of guantanamo bay facility. we have released a number of individuals from guantanamo since president obama has been inaugurated, transferring many overseas to their countries of origin or to third countries. there are a number of individuals moving into the prosecution path, notably the co-conspirators of 9/11. so, there is a population in omantanamo now, some of whic will be prosecuted, and some who will possibly be transferred abroad. so, what the president said it is he wants to close guantanamo responsibly and in a way that does not threaten american security. this is something we will continue to work with the congress about. it requires congressional support and partnership. this is something that is still very much a policy of this administration, but we are not g

is a nonresident senior fellow here at brookings, associate professor of political science at george mason university. someone who has been a consultant to redistricting authorities, including the arizona redistricting commission, who has launched, through brookings and a.i. as well the public mapping project and will tell us of the efforts to really increase public participation and -- and transparency in this entire process. we'll then end with my colleague, norm ornstein, a rest skyler at aei, everyone knows appropriately, norm is going to tell us after hearing from our other three colleagues, what it all means for politics and policy. so that's the game plan. david, kick us off. >> thank you very much, tom. thank you to brookings for giving so much love to an often underloved topic but i often call redistricting a once in a decade nerdfest for politicians, pundits, academics, lawyers, carttographers, you name it, i'm pleased to see so many nerds out in the audience, i definitely am one, god knows. redistricting is really only one of the arenas if not the only arena in which it's fair t

been a professor of law at george washington university law school and has also taught law at george mason university school of law. welcome. as you know, the testimony you are about to give subject to title 18, was holding an investigative hearing, this committee has a practice of taking testimony under oath. to any of you have any objection to testifying under oath? ok. the chair then advise you that under the rules of the house and the rules of the committee, you are entitled to be advised by counsel. do you desire to be advised by counsel during your testimony today? if not, then please rise -- >> mr. chairman? i hate to interrupt right now, but one thing i would ask, at least of one member here, is that pictures are not take a while they are being sworn in. i know this is done, but i think it is unfair to the witnesses. i think it sends a message that is not appropriate, and i would ask the camera people not to take a picture of individuals with their right hand raised. i just think it is used to often to send the wrong message to the public. everyone here is voluntarily participating

george anthony? what really happened in that smirking situation? you hear directly from jeff ashton. defense attorney cheney masondescribes his client as likeable. and much more, coming up.pzpz/ >> greta: a very big disappointment for the prosecution. any regrets? meet the prosecutor you saw working tirelessly on the casey anthony murder trial. jeff ashton went on the record about the challenges he faced in his final case as a florida state prosecutor. jeff, thank you for joining us. >> my pleasure. >> greta: i've won and also cases. it is tough to lose a case. even when you should, it? >> it is difficult to put that much time and energy into something, it is tough. >> greta: if the remains had been found in august, did any of your experts say they would have been any more powerful or more potent position to give you an opinion as to the cause of death? >> most of the experts have told us that in all likelihood, pardon me, by the beginning of july, the body was completely skeletonized. there might have been some difference in the evidence. essentially her body was in the form we saw it in december all the way b

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mason has said on different interviews that cindy or i'm sorry. casey didn't want to have relation with either george or cindy but nobody has mentioned lee at this time. so at any time at least it sounds like casey wants some sort of relationship with lee. lee will explain what he wants to do when wants to. >> judge jeanine: does the family have any idea where casey is going when she is released. there is even talk that she is going to live with an aunt in texas? >> the texas thing is purification. i talked to -- is pure fiction. i talked to my clients about that as well. there is no family that they know of in texas. this woman said she was part of a family conversation. we are still trying to figure out which family she was con conversesatting with. people are coming out of the wood work to make things up and try and get their 10 seconds of fame. for whatever reason this woman happens to think that cindy is writing a book for a $3 million deal. there was a family meeting that she was a part of and casey is coming to live with her. i'm hearing that the town that she lives in is not happy with those

george is going to participate in closing arguments but it would be to either of them and mr. mason and mr. medina and whoever else y'all have over this along wh other things that will be quite, quite unpleasant. enough is enough. i will instruct the jury in the morning because we still have these final charges to go over. i take responsility for that since should have brought you back on saturday afternoon to go over this charge conference. i took you you all at your own word and 30 minutes would be enough. anything else? let's finish closing arguments. we will stay here to get these charges -- i don't think it will take long. they are just about done. all right. >> gregg: so if ty do it again the judge is going to exclude counsel from the trial. joey jackson, can you really harm and jeopardize the rights of the accused by the actions of their lawyer? >> i think that would be a tremendous mistake in the event it happens. at the same time, it has to have teeth and hold these lawyers accountable, they have not obeyed his orders. >> gregg: let's go back to the judge ferrar that practi

george anthony had committed a capital felony of abusing his daughter. no evidence to that at all in the trial. i think psychologically anybody would need help in resolving those issues. cheney mason there is a relationship to be saved between mother and father and casey, believes that there is one with lee that will be salvaged and will go on. i guess maybe we'll never know. but i think all of them will have a tough time. >> sonny, here's a question for you. there was plenty of criticism of attorney jose baez, the lead defense attorney. and in the end, the jury delivered really what some say was the best verdict his defense team could have hoped for. so here's the question. was he a star defense attorney or did he simply just get lucky? >> oh, i don't think it was luck at all. and you know, i have been saying all along, people really villified jose baez. they said he was ineffective. they said that he's unsophisticated. well, his sweet spot certainly was speaking to the jury. we saw it in that explosive game-changing opening statement. and we saw it in his closing argument. i think this case was won by the defense in opening and in closing. and so i think he probably has quite a

george anthony had committed a capital felony of abusing his daughter. no evidence to that at all in the trial. i think psychologically anybody would need help in resolving those issues. cheney mason said that he does not think there is a relationship to be saved between mother and father and casey, believes that there is one with lee that will be salvaged and will go on. i guess maybe we'll never know. but i think all of them will have a tough time. >> sonny, here's a question for you. there was plenty of criticism of attorney jose baez, the lead defense attorney. and in the end, the jury delivered really what some say was the best verdict his defense team could have hoped for. so here's the question. was he a star defense attorney or did he simply just get lucky? >> oh, i don't think it was luck at all. and you know, i have been saying all along, people really villified jose baez. they said he was ineffective. they said that he's unsophisticated. well, his sweet spot certainly was speaking to the jury. we saw it in that explosive game-changing opening statement. and we saw it in his closing argument. i think this case was won by the defense in opening and in closing. and so i th