. >> arriving now, senator george mcgovern of south dakota. >> mcgovern got into the race because therei-war side. and, you know, bobby kennedy had a lot of delegates. >> mccarthy said he didn't believe mcgovern had enough strength to make any difference. so, mccarthy said he'll continue the fight for the nomination, although it was clearly implied that his chances are very slim. >> mayor daley set up all the conditions for conflict in chicago. he didn't give them permits to march. but he knew that they were coming anyway. >> over 10,000 demonstrators were gathered in chicago's grant park. the demonstrators are determined to march on convention hall tonight in protest. police are at the park in force. >> you can count on it. that the police and the authorities will always unify what you can't unify by yourself. [ crowd chanting ] >> the tumultuousness, the violence that was happening outside the home, became reflected inside the home. >> there seems to be some kind of battle going on here. >> yes, directly under our booth here. they're carrying a man out. >> i got into a melee in the co

pows some to put this together by making sure the democrats nominated the weakest candidate of george mcgovern then that we will get peace with honor. to find that kind of revolution between the military and commander in chief. you do your job i'll do mine. i thought there was cynicism to achieve zilch except killing a lot of people. >> host: pass toward -- fast forward to the present day are there other lessons to be taken? with that word 1968 there is something weird about next in -- nixon to see if you could find out more and to put can it -- butterfield with each of the candidates. >> did you see the charlie rose interview with putin? charlie rose said as putin sits there treading into new territory to say you were in the kgb what it is in kgb is always in the kgb and putin says that a single stage of our live passes without leaving a trace. a and this guy is well prepared. and it is true. as single stager phased. their rage he expresses these were not on tape from the york and is almost to the element that nobody asked me to the prom. it he is just on fire about it. i think it is true. do

>> the one i'm remembering is before i was doing the polling and it was george mcgovern in the 1984 debateatesman presenting himself that way and saying if you don't think i can win, then you vote whoever it is you want. if you want to send a message about what you want out of your democratic candidate, vote for me. he surged up to third place. he'd been polling very low. debates do matter. >> a lot of people look at iowa and say this rural agriculture state with huge numbers of evangelicals, why do they get to go first? >> you can make the argument that iowa is the worst place to start the contest except for every place else. you're going to start it somewhere. the benefit that iowa has is you can conquer the state. you can't conquer california in a meaningful way, in a personal way. you can't conquer texas. iowa you can go to sioux county and meet the people. you've got to organize people to show up. it really is a test of a campaign's ability to get things done in way isn't as true in other states. >> i think people look at who is at the top of the polls and they are impressed with dona

1972 when hillary and her boyfriend, bill clinton, are in texas trying to get a great idealist, george mcgovern he's not going to win, but they can't believe how he got crushed. they worked in texas. in texas, nixon got 67% of the vote. nobody does that anymore. nixon got 60% of the vote nationally, 49 out of 50 states. hillary says, bill and i had a lot to learn about how you run a campaign. if you are hillary clinton, it does not mean she wants to be nixon. she is taken inside the mind. mark: what has she said or written about nixon since then? sam: a few things. one of her most memorable moments was hearing that one tape, what she calls the tape of tapes, in which nixon extenuate's. hillary, we learned a couple weeks ago, is a brilliant political witness. nixon was not. hillary actually believes what she says, and most of the time some of us will say, we think she is right. so one thing she learned from him, she had another job for john doerr on the watergate committee, to write up a memo that showed the blueprint of how nixon's white house worked. john: a question not about this piece. talk

reelection by making sure that the democrats nominated the weakest candidate, turned out to be george mcgovern, nixon won 49 states and the other side of that was to use the bombing in the vietnam war as i am tough, we are going to get peace with honor, it is -- when i put all this together, i felt a kind of revolt in and sadness. garrison is an unwritten contract between everyone in the military, the commander in chief, you do your job, i will do my job. >> host: what nixon was capable of. >> guest: if this is the level of cynicism, there have been a lot of bombings, nixon was right, it achieved nothing to kill lots of people. >> host: fast forward to present day. presidential election campaign, any lessons to be taken from butterfield's account? how do we find out about the character of some of these people we are being asked to elect, without having to wait 40 years? >> if it were 1968 and you get somebody saying there's something weird about nixon, could you have found out all of this? no. there is a ceiling, you could find out more. the answer to your question is to find betterfield and p

he took george mcgovern out to the pedernales to meet with lbj.linton learned a lot in that campaign. he also learn how you can lose. from that moment on, bill clinton's concept was how you could be a moderate progressive and still hang onto something in america as it was changing. >> during his term as governor, the clintons increased their national profile, leading to the 1992 presidential campaign. the mentioned earlier that it was a bruising one. including the arrival of ross perot's candidacy in the campaign. it brought bill clinton and hillary clinton to the white house. after they arrive, there was the announcement about health care. we have a couple of clips to show you that help demonstrate the intention of the first lady's involvement in health care. let's watch. [video clip] >> i'm glad hillary has agreed to share this task force and she will be sharing some of the heat i expect to demonstrate. in the coming months, the american people will learn that we have a first lady of many talents, but most of all who can bring people together ar

in 1972, the democrats went off of the track, and the left insisted on george mcgovern, and he got 38% of the vote, and there were loads of people running for governor and senator and house member on that party ticket that lost because of how poorly the nominee for president did. >> i can see the opposition research commercials coming out, and the paid for we hate 38 group. and i have to wrap it there, but david gergen and larry sabato, will you come back. >> yes, let's do it, ashleigh. thanks. >> and from the drepublicans to the democrats, tomorrow, there is a face-off with the debate on saturday, and that will be a wrap-up on that hosted by wolf blitzer tomorrow at 111:00 p.m. , where to go... and how to deal with my uc. to me, that was normal. until i talked to my doctor. she told me that humira helps people like me get uc under control and keep it under control when certain medications haven't worked well enough. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have bloo

. >> host: i was wondering did you ever hear the book of thomas = -- i was back at george mcgovern and all of a sudden he threw up a vice presidential candidate on the basis of having had electroshock treatment and i was angry at that point where it seems like it's what the stigma does to you so it's not surprising. did anybody else realize you've made the term at that point? did you tell anybody or did you just say put me in the mental illness section a mental illness section and i'm ready? >> i had to surrender after the car accident and every one knew i was in trouble. everyone was calling on me to re-sign. i have started to hit bottom at some level politically and big egg was up. everybody knew it was and i couldn't hide it anymore. >> host: sometimes they say in alcoholic treatment that you have to hit the bottom is when you understand. >> guest: i don't think that's the case i think we can raise the bottom for a lot of people. i hit bottom and of course i changed the floor and hit new lows and that's what we do. >> host: defined normal. >> guest: the abnormal becomes normal. >> h

>> george mcgovern in the 1984 debate, the only statesman presenting himself that way and saying lookn, vote whoever it is that you want. if you want to second a message, and he surged up to third place. so debates do matter. >> a lot of people look at iowa and say wait a minute. huge numbers of evangelicals, totally unprrepresentative of ts country. why do they go first? >> you can make the argument that iowa is the worst place to start the process except for every place else. the benefit that iowa has is that you can conquer the state. you can't conquer texas. iowa, you can drive up to souix county and meet the people and learn it. you've got to organize people to show up. it really is a test of a campaign's ability to get things done in a way that isn't as true in other states. >> what do you think? what are people focusing on which is the wrong way to think about this right now? >> i think people look at who is at the top of the polls and they're very impressed with donald trump having 25% of the polls and that's just not that much historically. there are a lot of candidates with

that said, she had worked for both george mcgovern and gene mccarthy, she was actively against the ward she go to a marine recruiter in 1975 and try to -- and she was a lawyer, professor in fayetteville, arkansas, married to bill clinton or engaged to marry bill clinton? it doesn't make sense. >> withal all due respect, why earth are we talking about this? >> if she hadn't brought it up it would not be an issue in this campaign. >> andrea, andrea, what the story illustrated was that we have made a lot of progress in america. secretary clinton is absolutely right. back then, you did have a much tougher time for women to be able to make it successfully through the recruitment process and move up in the military and we have made tremendous progress since then. same thing with the number of women that serve in congress. we have a record number of women serving in congress today but even during the time that i have been in office, we have come a long way. it is absolutely important that we talk about during this presidential campaign the issues that are important to women, not just that we

a george mcgovern and the democrats and barry goldwater.ncy in jimmy carter. maybe ben carson's our jimmy carter of this generation. the -- where jimmy carter rose up as the most honest guy out there or perceived to be. that's ben carson's strong -- so it was an unpredicted time and we near a similar period. >> it's really fascinated as we watch together. thank you. watch chuck's show here 5:00 p.m. eastern and sundays. >>> now to frances rivera checking the traffic on our bing pulse question of the day. and this goes to what chuck was talking about. the outsider issue for d.c. frances? >> that's right. asking you should a political outsider win the white house? 70% from the noes. that's dropping or growing. now 30%. interesting, though, even though this is lopsided, majority of the viewers think that's no, look at how we're graphing in realtime and while chuck was talking about it and ben carson having the depth and the dimension, you know, with the small donors, the money, the social engagement, as well. not too many people are saying no

and remember george mcgovern. he started a. stuart: -- an inn.mpion for the regular guy and you will of those regulations put me out of business at the inn. all of this is different from the sound bites. stuart: if you're a jeb bush guy, there was some criticism, during the debate he was awkward at times. roll the tape please, awkward jeb. >> i was in washington iowa about three months ago talking how bad washington d.c. is. and anyway-- 12 million immigrants to send them back $500,000 a month. it's just not, not possible and if you're a moderate -- a moderate islamist, your you're not going to be able to survive either. stuart: he was dead last on facebook for mention on men and women. >> he's not going to be the president of the debating society. you've got two other guys who can be the debating president. stuart: but this is television. >> he's a little like his dad there. but are we hiring somebody for a job or a-- >> we're hiring somebody for the next four years. >> i understand that, but if you're getting the policies right and you and i ar

six year as a prisoner of war and later came home got involved in politics and ran against george mcgovernfor the senate and campaign harder than anybody else for me was bush number one could he was the chairman of the time and was very gracious. when asked if i would support and i said that i will because there is a loyalty but also he's so close we lived in saint augustine florida. how was governor bush when you were here it goes from he's pretty good to use the best one you've ever had is that he has a record of fixing things and doing things. his father was a fighter pilot and he is evidence of his more more and for the more veteran basis, 33 i think it is and he's the only governor i know of that anytime a person was killed in the current war he would personally contact the family. i'm proud to be here supporting him. [applause] thank you, colonel. he said he believes and nepotism. [laughter] this is a great backdrop for the townhall meeting i appreciate you coming out on a national holiday first and foremost i want to ask all of us to show our appreciation not just for mr. tyler and

people like bill clinton, george mcgovern, jimmy carter, all of whom won the democratic nomination, george h.w. bush in 1980, i mean, they were very, very low in the polls. but the difference is, they went up finally. they went up by a lot and eventually captured their party's nomination got on the ticket in the case of george h.w. bush after ronald reagan beat him in the primaries. there's nothing unusual about starting low. but you've got to go up. if at this point you don't have it, the message is you don't have it. >> jeb bush started high, he's gone in the other direction. he was the front-runner. >> that's right. >> and one thing that's amazing is how donald trump has managed to get under jeb's skin. even today he was asked about donald trump was asked about his upcoming appearance on "saturday night live" and he said this, listen. >> my jeb impression? i don't want to do that. i don't like showing a person sleeping at a podium. >> there was plenty of folks there. he's an entertainer and he's good at that kind of stuff. the snl is causing a lot of problems not just -- well, essential

mcgovern. he called him up and he said, george, when does it stop hurting? rn said -- i'll let you know. >> you know, we have the pressure of the debate tonight and we talk about what each candidate has to do. if you had to add them both up, who has got the most pressure on him tonight? >> well in a way it's marco rubio. he's the ascendant guy. and he's a good debater. he also is going to face intense attacks most likely from donald trump. it doesn't matter what you ask, you could ask them to read the phone book from milwaukee, and donald trump is going to -- >> did you know that was one of my questions? you are a sly one. >> but he, trump's got to attack rubio. jeb bush is facing a make-a-break moment or a break or worst break. if he doesn't attack, then his campaign is gone. >> can i ask you a little bit about -- >> he obviously went to harvard. >> if you want to cheat on a test, he's the guy you sit in back of. do you ever get a feeling, wait this is going now, pat, that the pressure is on jeb bush. that he has to have a breakout night? >> it would involve

kid and went to jail as a prisoner of war and after i got involved in politics i ran against george mcgovernsenate and then campaigned harder than anybody else for me was bush i. he came to south dakota and when he asked if i would support him i said you bet i sent you that i would because there is a loyalty there but also he's so qualified and for one week now i have been asking is that how is governor bush when you were here. it went from pretty good he's the best we ever had. there is a loyalty so i have an affinity. his brother and his father is a fighter pilot so there's more veterans in florida were veteran basis 33 i think it is and he's the only governor i know of that anytime a person was killed, he contacted late co- contacts them. governor? >> thank you, colonel he said he leaves the nepotism. [laughter] this is a great backdrop for the town hall meeting today i appreciate you coming out on a national holiday. first i want to ask all of us to show our appreciation for not just mr. tyler and the colonel medal of honor recipient but for all the veterans that are here today we need t