you have george mcgovern, up and coming congressman, senator from south dakota. you have wayne morris, one of the two votes against going, against the resolution. then the republican from iowa who was a supporter on the war. you had the whole range of people who support the administration, people who oppose the administration. people who are willing to go with the president, truth the president to give the president a bipartisan foreign policy, people who feel the president has led the country off a side of a cliff, this has bean disaster, he should never have done this, congress should never have given up their right to declare war. you have those senators asking questions. witnesses are being grilled by both signs. wayne morris who is a lawyer, law school dean, ferocious interroga interrogator. >> is there any way to know at this time what the american public in general thought about the war? >> the gallup polls and other polls were following what public opinion was. and president johnson felt pretty convinced that the american public was with him. when he star

you had senator john sparkman of alabama, previously a vice presidential candidate, george mcgovern, an up-and-coming senator from south dakota. , one of wayne morris the two votes against the gulf of tonkin resolution. -- aave people like republican from iowa, who was a supporter of the war. or you have george aiken, who is a skeptic about the war, but not a hard-line skeptic. so you really have a whole range of people who support the administration, people who oppose the administration, people who are willing to trust the president, give the president a bipartisan foreign-policy, people who feel the president has led the country off the side of a cliff, that this is a disaster and he should never have done this, congress should never have given up their right to declare war, and so you have those senators asking questions of all the witnesses, the witnesses in favor of the war, the witnesses who are opponents of the war, being grilled on both sides. wayne morris in particular is a heocious interrogator, and brings up a lot of sparks when he does his questioning. >> is there any way

so if george mcgovern won 50% of the delegate than 50% popular vote, it is that 50% of the delegates would be covered. there is a challenge. the big challenge western illinois because then second illinois delegation that reflect did the results of the primary. the old mayor daley, the father of mayor daley had a delegation that was a traditional delegation of his party leaders, union officials, better. the first site at the convention was over who would be seen from illinois. jackson one. mayor daley and his crowd bought out of the convention. it wasn't good in the long run for george mcgovern, but it showed just how much things were changing. yes. >> were there situations in which the primaries for both one-way and delegates will do what they wanted to do? >> all the time. constantly. in fact, there were only about 16 primaries from 1968 going back and most of them are called beauty contest, which means they had no bearing on the delegates are who they voted for, it better at. some of the more progressive states would be some in the sad by a march to primaries and delegates or disco

it was not good in the long run for george mcgovern but it showed just how much things were changing. >> prior to that word there situations in which the primary went one way and delegates would do whatever they wanted to do? >> all the time, constantly. constantly. there were only 16 primaries from 1968 and most of them were close contests meaning they had no bearing on the delegates for who they voted for etc.. once in a while some of the western states or progressive states, there would be something but by and large the primaries and the delegates were disinterested. >> a lot of debate as to how important iowa, new hampshire, choosing the eventual nominee and other states like ohio and florida so i am wondering from your perspective how much of an impact. i note momentum is a factor but how much of an impact do voting states have? >> good question. let me answer it in 2 ways. first of all, they almost always win out the field. they always -- almost always reduce the field by a couple candidates. i have worked for candidates who the next day have dropped out. my dear friend bruce ba

. >> arriving now, senator george mcgovern of south dakota. >> mcgovern got into the race because therein the anti-war side. and, you know, bobby kennedy had a lot of delegates. >> mccarthy said he didn't believe mcgovern had enough strength to make any difference. so, mccarthy said he'll continue the fight for the nomination, although it was clearly implied that his chances are very slim. >> mayor daley set up all the conditions for conflict in chicago. he didn't give them permits to march. but he knew that they were coming anyway. >> over 10,000 demonstrators were gathered in chicago's grant park. the demonstrators are determined to march on convention hall tonight in protest. police are at the park in force. >> you can count on it. that the police and the authorities will always unify what you can't unify by yourself. [ crowd chanting ] >> the tumultuousness, the violence that was happening outside the home, became reflected inside the home. >> there seems to be some kind of battle going on here. >> yes, directly under our booth here. they're carrying a man out. >> i got into a melee

[ laughter ] >> he's-he's already been called the spoiler for harold stasen. [ laughter ] >> george mcgovern heard about andersson's running for president and said, "that guy is living in a dream world." [ laughter ] [ applause ] >> i tell ya -- we live in a great country where any man can [ laughter ] >> james watt who has created more controversy, a lot of republicans in congress are calling for the resignation of james watt. [ applause ] >> they say he is a liability. watt says he is not going to resign, matter of fact he's on vacation on his ranch in california. you can spot watt's ranch if you drive by. [ laughter ] >> you have a joke i don't know about? [ laughter ] >> there's a sign at the furthest end of his parking lot that says "crippled parking here." [ laughter ] [ booing ] >> sure. well, i agree with you. he shouldn't have a sign like that. [ laughter ] >> i never thought i would see the day that walt disney production would do this. they are having financial problems. and to recoup their losses, you know what they're doing? their first film with nudity. i cannot believe that. i

george mcgovern. the mcgovern-fraser commission wrote rules that said the party either will have a caucus or primary in how you choose your candidates. there are some other rules that go along with it. it makes states now have primaries and caucuses for choosing to the democratic delegates will be for the convention. a big change. you will not have the smoke-filled rooms anymore. now primaries become much more important. the first primary obviously becomes more important than it had been in the past. what this led to was more primaries and caucuses. more people voting. other states really don't have experience with primaries and caucuses. very few states do. new hampshire is first in the country. new hampshire as we see in 1976, 1980, whoever wins new hampshire kansa get the nomination for the -- tends to get the nomination for the party. other states say they don't like that. they want to get a piece of the action. they want new hampshire and iowa to have that much influence. what we're going to do is

bernie sanders is george mcgovern. the only shame is trump would be a perfect george wallace. everything would align perfectly. george wallace is a racist. -- >> you're saying he is farcical? >> she is walking around -- >> i thought you were going to get into a disguise. >> i have to get into my disguise now. she is walking around incognito? >> long walks on the beach and getting into nature. >> you know, she wants to get away. i get it. she doesn't want to be around people who know her. >> i think it gets oppressive in the white house. here is the thing. i will help hillary clinton become anonymous. i will help her not have to be under the precious -- -- the pressures the white house imposes. if she doesn't want to know his name or be in public office i am happy to volunteer to make that happen. all she has to do is stand up. >> not to defend her because i don't want to, but being a woman is hard. you need your face done and your hair did. you are scrutinized more than a man. i think it is an idea i don't want to wash my hair. i will put on a baseball cap. >> she literally ha

the democrats nominated george mcgovern in 1972. he lost 42 states.f the insiders had their say, the sentiment is they never would have elected george mcgovern. the sentiment is that the voters don't pick someone who has no chance of winning. they put their thumb on the scales. host: the line for republicans. good morning. caller: good morning. how are you today? host: good. .aller: i am 81 years old i've been a democrat all my life . i was raised a democrat. i have voted for very few. my election here, if you are not a democrat you could not vote in of of the a load -- any the local elections. i switched back over to republicans, but that isn't the problem. it is politicians and americans. until we eliminate every career everician, then we cannot get america back to being a government for the people or by the people. host: what is your feeling on ?he political party the folks like debbie wasserman schultz and rinse previous? -- rience pribus? host: i think she is a communist. i think we have a lot of those in our government. we have kanye west all it

bernie sanders is george mcgovern. the only shame is trump would be a perfect george wallace. everything would align perfectly. george wallace is a racist. -- >> you're saying he is farcical? >> she is walking around -- >> i thought you were going to get into a disguise. >> i have to get into my disguise now. she is walking around incognito? >> long walks on the beach and getting into nature. >> you know, she wants to get away. i get it. she doesn't want to be around people who know her. >> i think it gets oppressive in the white house. here is the thing. i will help hillary clinton become anonymous. i will help her not have to be under the precious -- -- the pressures the white house imposes. if she doesn't want to know his name or be in public office i am happy to volunteer to make that happen. all she has to do is stand up. >> not to defend her because i don't want to, but being a woman is hard. you need your face done and your hair did. you are scrutinized more than a man. i think it is an idea i don't want to wash my hair. i will put on a baseball cap. >> she literally ha

early 1970's or you politicalr environments, where bernie sanders appealing to the youth like george mcgovernn 1972. whichst mentioned gopro, to me is the me, here, now equivalent of the late 1960's polaroid camera. it is a similar phenomenon where everybody is all about me here and now. is what is really rising and all of the politics that you see. week mood has people focused on what do they need themselves. now sounds here suspiciously like on-demand. we live in a uber-world. we have customized our newsfeeds, customized our leaders. it is theh netflix same idea. we want to be served where we are in all dimensions, particularly politics. a real challenge for the republican and democratic establishment. in aare the cbs, the nbc, world that once on demand, netflix and hulu, and they're having a really hard time fitting with the voter is today. alix: what do you wind up looking at two gauge the mood? is it consumer confidence? it is holding up really well, which would suggest things are not terrible. peter: it depends what measure you look at. gallup.y partial to they ask a simple question, ho

we've seen others that it launched the george mcgovern run.ake a winner out of those who play second or third. >> no question. and i think tonight, given the expectations on the republican side for trump. again for him, if he should have a smaller than margin expected, what will matter is not so much politically. he will still have enormous political strength going forward. it will determine how he feels internally. he is so used to huge polls and big wins. whatever happens to those who comes in second or third, what it does to them psychologically. that's what we have to look at. if rubio does not do well. if he comes in fourth or fifth when now he had momentum coming out of iowa. then maybe that debate performance will stay in his heart and make it harder to go forward. if he should do well here, maybe he can put that behind him. i think we have to look psychologically as well as politically at what goes on. >> we're hearing news that bernie sanders's campaign was taking out large ad buys and four of the super tuesday states. obviously confi

nominated barry goldwater who was far to the right of most that party in 1972 the democrats nominated george mcgovern, but he was to the left of his party's main stream. both of those parties made activists excited and they got destroyed in the general election. even democrats who love you worry about your fate in a general election and i know you have good head-to-head polling numbers against republican front-runners right now. we know that, but do you have a general election strategy that is different than the way you're running right now to get the nomination? >> general election is different than a primary and caucus process. but let me say in terms of where we are right now as you mentioned in a number of national and state, including new hampshire, for example the last poll i saw -- there may have been a new one, the last one i saw here in new hampshire had me defeating trump by 19, the secretary defeating him by one. there were large margins in iowa and wisconsin. here's where i think i will be if nominated the candidate. democrats win when there is a large voter turnout. when people are excit

when george mcgovern actually in 1972,omination back the democratic party changed its rules. they're going to use those rules against bernie sanders in the same way they use them against dennis kucinich, they redistricted him. they use it against howard dean with a smear campaign. against jesse jackson after he had won 12 major midwestern primaries. been efforts to reform the democratic party and make it more like a social democratic party of europe. and it didn't work. basically because the war machine took a hold of the party and created the war in vietnam and broke up that movement. that is still going to happen, unfortunately, while bernie has a pretty good agenda -- at least in a sickly, i have some differences with him on foreign .olicy -- at least domestically i have some differences with him on foreign policy, and he supports the war machine and the military budget that is robbing us blind. we agree to my sickly. -- domestically. for many party supporters, we are plan b. theythers, we are plan a, know that even if money were to win, it would normally constrain what he

. >> while that is true, bernie sanders is proposing a platform that reminds me of george mcgovern insolutely routed as bernie sanders would be absolutely routed and why michael bloomberg is contemplating spending his money for this race. bernie sanders to anyone with any kind of sense, when you look at bernie sanders and these programs that he's proposing, trillion-dollar free health care for everyone, forgiving college loans, but i understand where the millennials are coming from. i was there in 1972. they're coming from a situation where they didncan't get a job. the gen-x people can't move up and the baby boomers refuse to leave. >> bad trade deal. >> frustrated by the professional inability to advance and student loans. you graduate from a b-level school with a "b" and $300,000. >> blame obama for that. >> well, obama was -- i'm glad you mentioned that. hope and change, hillary clinton is -- >> pocket change. >> i'll ease the pain. you don't want that. you want hope and say i have a future to pay for. >> sean, the whole thing, college kids just want to play ultimate frisbee, a fr

george mcgovern beat richard nixon. i'm sorry, he lost to nixon. the only one in massachusetts, in the district of columbia. even though he's the tallest guy. i don't think it passes a predictor. maybe a prologue. what do you think? maybe iowa is the predictor in the sense that 42% of the state is single when they vote. 43% say they're socialists or comfortable with that tag. and you can vote out here at the age of 17. i wonder if that makes it a good sample of the democratic electorate. >> yes, absolutely. iowa as a state does not represent the country. but the people who show up here at the caucuses tonight look an awful lot like the people you're going to see on the floor of the democratic convention. they're activists, they represent their party. the same kind of constituencies are showing up tonight as we see at the national convention. >> across the hall? not just in the delegation? >> in the delegation that iowa sends, and on the national convention -- >> let me ask you about that. bernie sanders, we know the whole persona. he's 74. he looks

gary gallbladder -- barry goldwater and jacob javits would vote the same way or jim eastland and george mcgovern would vote the same way. what has happened since then is the parties have become cohesive. the conferences. there's not very much middle ground. the parties have changed dramatically. the parties are annexed or outsource. -- and external force. the nation has changed the partisanship that exist. today if there is a partyline vote, nobody pays attention. if there is a bipartisan vote, it makes the front page. if two members of one party vote with the rest of the party it is declared to be a bipartisan vote. there are so desperate to get any kind of swing. i think we have gotten a good foundation now of what brought us to the era that we are in today. i would like to open the floor to you, to raise questions. could you identify yourself? lauren: my name is lauren. freeman,on is for dr. your presentation -- i enjoyed it, one of your themes was how a lack of party structure was a factor in polarization. i would argue that that is very true today. whether we are talking about the caucus, t

nominated barry goldwater who was far to the right of most that party in 1972 the democrats nominated george mcgovernthe left of his party's main stream. both of those parties made activists excited and they got destroyed in the general election. even democrats who love you worry about your fate in a general election and i know you have good head-to-head polling numbers against republican front-runners right now. we know that, but do you have a general election strategy that is different than the way you're running right now to get the nomination? >> general election is different than a primary and caucus process. but let me say in terms of where we are right now as you mentioned in a number of national and state, including new hampshire, for example the last poll i saw -- there may have been a new one, the last one i saw here in new hampshire had me defeating trump by 19, the secretary defeating him by one. there were large margins in iowa and wisconsin. here's where i think i will be if nominated the candidate. democrats win when there is a large voter turnout. when people are excited, when working

you can ask president george mcgovern how that worked out for him in terms of young voters voting for him. let's talk about who turned out today. hillary clinton made a big point of saying african-americans went overwhelmingly for her in nevada, credited them in many ways with her victory in nevada. it looked like she was looking ahead to south carolina. did they turn out today? >> it seems as they did. you just a few minutes ago talked about how big a proportion of the democratic electorate tonight african-americans were. i assume given the fact that she won, she did pretty well with that. >> very safe assumption. the black electorate is 62% of voters are african-american in the democratic primary. and look how they split. 84% for clinton. 16% for sanders. that is huge. this is graeter greater than what you saw in nevada. >> as we have done this the last four election nights is how the candidates have been appealing to the voters based on their own particular character. and it seems to be a little bit different tonight for the democrats than we have seen in iowa, and new hampshire, a

she was a george mcgovern voter. >> rose: and a barry goldwater voter before that. >> but that was when she was a teenager in church. then she went to college, we had vietnam, you remember this stuff, charlie. i said to her, how would you convince that young woman to vote for you now? >> rose: what did she say? i would say to her, keep your ideals -- >> rose: as the argument of her husband was, her argument is you can't go to the bank on promises. you need someone to execute. >> this is jeb bush's argument and the republican primary saying you have all these candidates who want to be the viles for your discontent, they have no policy agenda and no record. i'm the guy with the record. the problem is when you talk to primary voters and they watch the tens of millions of dollars of jeb bush or super pac ads they say it look like he's running for governor, a referendum of yesterday. the question for hillary is, you may think she's saying right things at the town hall but are people just tuning her out? are people saying she's been around for 25 years -- >> rose: these are questions we have

nominated barry goldwater who was far to the right of most that party in 1972 the democrats nominated george mcgovern, but he was to the left of his party's main stream. both of those parties made activists excited and they got destroyed in the general election. even democrats who love you worry about your fate in a general election and i know you have good head-to-head polling numbers against republican front-runners right now. we know that, but do you have a general election strategy that is different than the way you're running right now to get the nomination? >> general election is different than a primary and caucus process. but let me say in terms of where we are right now as you mentioned in a number of national and state, including new hampshire, for example the last poll i saw -- there may have been a new one, the last one i saw here in new hampshire had me defeating trump by 19, the secretary defeating him by one. there were large margins in iowa and wisconsin. here's where i think i will be if nominated the candidate. democrats win when there is a large voter turnout. when people are excit

in 1972 the democrats nominated george mcgovern who was a hero of liberals in the anti-war movement buts to the left of his party's mainstream. both of those nominees made activists very excited and they both got destroyed in the general election. >> right. >> even democrats who love you worry about your fate in a general election, and i know you have today head-to-head polling numbers against republican front-runners right now, but do you have a general election strategy that is different than the way you're running right now to try to get the nomination? >> well, you know, general election is different than a primary and caucus process, but let me just say this, in terms of where we are right now, as you have mentioned, rachel, in a number of national and state, including new hampshire -- for example, the last poll i saw, there may have been a new one, last one i saw here in new hampshire, a battleground state, had me defeated trump by 19. the secretary defeating him by 1. there were also pretty large margins in iowa and wisconsin. these are polls, polls go up, polls go down, but here

and the poster child for this was george mcgovern, and insurgent candidate and won out against the partystablishment and then a gigantic landslide. hunt commission, the commission that was looking at various aspects of the way the party was organized after the 1980 election, thought that having superdelegates -- in the democratic party, they are -- the members of the national committee, a little more than 400 democratic members of u.s. house, the u.s. senate and governor's, and that adds up to 712. the hunt commission thought that having those elected officials play a part in choosing the nominee would be a partial balance that would give more weight to the considerations of electability than might otherwise be placed by the delegates that were elected in primaries and caucuses. amy: professor, explain exactly how it works. i remember when biden was weighing whether he was going to get in come all the talk the clinton campaign was about how many superdelegates she has secured, which was a way to say, you have already lost, so you should not get in. but what does it mean to secure a super

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it really hasn't happened, arguably, since 1972, when george mcgovern won the democratic presidential nomination, as the anti-war icon who did not shy away from a liberal platform. listen to his 1972 acceptance speech for the nomination, which of course took place in the dark of night. >> from secrecy and deception in high places come home america. from military spending so wasteful, that it weakens our nation, come home, america. from the entrenchment of special privilege and tax favoritism. from the waste of idle hands to the joy of useful labor, from the prejudice based on race and sex. >> mcgovern was trounced in the general election by richard nixon, and since then, the democratic primaries have been a fight to prove electability over those liberal ideals. in fact, listen to how vice president al gore and senator bill bradley responded to the liberal label back in their 2000 democratic primary debate. >> do you reject the notion that you are a liberal? and do you believe someone who holds fundamentally liberal views is at a disadvantage running for president? >> whatever you want

you know, george mcgovern in various ways. is that what we're in the midst of? >> i think we are.or some of the same reasons. by the way. what does not get enough attention in my judgment in this campaign and next week in new hampshire as well is the depth of the commitment that we have in a war. but it's less than 1% of our population. a lot of that turmoil is driven by the war, when we're in a draft time, people were going to war and coming back. now, we have the war, people kind of know it, but it has come home. started with 9/11, and then san bernardino. a great palpable fear out there about terrorism. so that plays to it. big money plays to it as well, quite honestly. folks figure, you know, if i don't have a gazillion dollars to contribute to some candidates, i'm not going to be a part of all this, and then they deadlike in washington for the last eight years really in which people would turn their backs on each other. the president and the congress. so all of that, i think, has fed this enormous disenchantment with the system as it now exists. i have gone across iowa, democ

i don't know how they came about, but they have honorary titles -- you can thank george mcgovern. >> 700 of them, and a move to say to some of them like christine pelosi who says that she vows as a super delegate, she is going to be voting for the candidate who gets the most delegates through primary system rather than trying to annoy somebody in the states don't want. >> but did you think it was an appointed super dell gat? >> yes. >> and you served anyway? >> yes. admirable. >> and i would say that the super delegates are good for that there has to be a peer review in any organization about deciding who ought to lead that organization. and when you take, and have only primaries, and only have the voice of the voters, and the people who don't know ted cruz or nomar coe rubio or know donald trump, and having a voice in this, you wind up, and i think that sometimes the smoke-filled rooms will produce better candidates than we do through the primary system, and the democratic party is going to get a blend. >> and you are going to be getting a lot of people who disagree. >> well, it is

. >> george mcgovern, ted kennedy. >> onto the democratic convention. >> so many memories of a candidateore of the national press presence and a technology be speeding up the political press. >> it's so much different now because of social media, because of the internet, because of constant deadlines. there's no deadline and yet everything is a deadline. >> i think new hampshire has been a very interesting phenomenon to watch over the decades. >> cokie roberts with abc news has covered her sheer primaries and sees a trend in recent cycles. >> the open day should come up and it was a lone candidate wandering into coffee shops and talking to individual voters. now i tends to be a huge staff and board of cameras -- hordes of cameras. >> on the hunt for that perfect primary moment. >> i've never been more worried about the early primary state and today. >> coming up, the threat to new hampshire's first in the nation status. the plans have been pitched and the effect they might have on the way candidates campaign. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> one hundred years after ballots were cast in new hampshire's first pre

to do is win primaries because it made them feel great and they go back to horrible defeat to george mcgovernrrible. mcgovern carried, what, d.c. and massachusetts. >> and i think there's this inevitability factor that works against clinton in some ways and even people who are supporting bernie sanders think she's going to end up to be the nominee and want to move her to the left and ho move her -- >> it's possible they are already doing that. i look at hillary clinton who really wants to win, she's willing to adopt an awful lot of the sanders agenda if that gets her into the white house. is that a fair statement? >> absolutely. a minimum wage, tpp, key stone xl, you could go down the list there's a lot of things she's moved. she's aligned herself with where the democratic party is today. but the problem for her is that when she does that, the story isn't, look, hillary clinton is a progressive, the story is hillary clinton is a flip-flopper, hillary clinton has changed positions -- >> she's holding off on a couple things. she will not say free college. >> sure. she won't go to $15 minimum wa

. >> the other thing younger voters don't know is that people like bernie sanders or george mcgovernale lose. [ laughter ] and so -- and the older democrats remember that. >> president mondale, president mccarthy. >> and that's what's scaring democrats right now is a bernie sanders surge. they look at it with just terror. >> but then every once in a while they do win. >> they don't win the general election. >> that was 2008 with barack obama where a lot of young people invested their hope in his campaign in his election you see a little bit of that right now and i was just recently at eastern missouri university and the students there are very excited about the prospect, the idea of a bernie sanders and that's the magic he wins. >> what's so odd is that clinton keeps getting tripped up in the oh, i'm a victim, personal attacks, you're calling me a moderate. she ought to point out, look, have a long record of progressive accomplishments and if you talk about progressive accomplishments you'll have an advantage over a guy like bhoerz is often a lone voice in the wilderness, yes, for pr

senator george mcgovern does better than expected. that time iowa was shaping presidential politics. >> well-known campaigns and some less well known. >> in 2008, representative john cox from illinois keeping to iowa -- came to iraq hoping to catch fire. he would hand out bags of potato chips with his sticker on them. >> how did you get some of these ? the story behind them? >> a lot of them come from every day iowans. people also donate them to us. was active in the jesse jackson campaign. signed fora caucus jesse jackson. we also have a 1988 press packet for jesse jackson. showing how things have changed in marketing a candidate today. how about the marketing of some of the more modern campaigns? >> we have a lot of things from the post 2000 era. you will see a mitt romney foam baseball mitt. the standard t-shirt for bill bradley. rudy giuliani. forers were still common candidates. sorts of artifacts in the exhibit as well. >> one of the more interesting pieces i thought were two coffee cans. >> the caucuses are run by each party. t

goes back to 1972 when a lot of democratic voters thought the voters had gone crazy nominating george mcgovern for president and he went on to lose to nixon. so they created a category of superdelegates. hillary clinton had all the superdelegates on her side yet obama was doing very, very well at the polls and began to beater in the primaries, and there was a big controversy how could hillary clinton have an equal number of delegates. obama won all the races. finally the superdelegates moved over to barack obama and solved the problem and we are in a similar problem now. martha: the primary process is not a popular vote at all. it's the parties way of trying to read the public's opinion about who they like and then select the person that the party wants to be in there, right? >> yes. but they always end under starting off with the safest most obvious choice. clearly months ago it was hillary clinton. there are a lot of these superdelegates. it takes 3,082 to win the nomination. there are 712 superdelegates. so almost one-third. in sanders continues to do well and hillary clinton has the superd

senator george mcgovern that year at a major blizzard.er hour winds on the 24th of january. coffee stay with the following day. it was so bad that two people died. some caucus sites had to postpone for a day cumbersome for two days and many say mcgovern was helped out by that. establishment supporters supposedly stayed home that year. the government had a lot of antiwar supporters. they braved the elements and finished with 22% of the votes surprisingly close at 35%. technically he was there because the uncommitted voters for number one. stuff a strong finish helped to propel the nomination. the role of the weather people could argue with over the years. it was an awful storm. and it did have an impact on the caucuses as janus rightfully pointed out in the terrific forecast we don't expect anything that dramatic. we can all hope. i hope things go well for the broadcast. you're right. i don't. neil: you are in horrific human. ed muskie did end up winning the iowa caucuses. he did up winning new hampshire. he was the last guy who won the tw

. >> i listened to frank mcwits as he convinced george mcgovern. >> he convinced the media that he was the 1972 primary despied losing to -- despite losing. >> twenty years later, i decided that clinton ought to do the same thing >> my recommendation to the campaign, contact them and harass them with my suggestion that clinton come down and claims the same thing. so stations could go live >> to this day, many people still remember clinton as the winner . although paul defeated him. carney was there in the middle of it. >> we have shown it can be done. >> he remembered it as the terrible night. president george h. w. bush lost to the new hampshire primary by winning. beating path bow -- pat buchanan. others showing buchanan slightly ahead. >> he was close during the day. reporters started saying great kids come back forgreatdefeat for the president >> but the damage had been done. >> it was like a big story. big upset. national reporters were all writing their stories what a set back this was. >> it brought back memories of 1968 when up start senator of minnesota essentially ended the r

>> i hope if he gets majority of the delegates as george mcgovern did in 1972 that bernie sanders isuld that happen. >> you know what i think? bill: whoa, whoa. that wasn't yes or no. >> that is unabashed, yes, bill. if he wins he should get nomination. with the superdelegates as i was saying to martha before, it looks likes process is rigged against them. >> my opinion on democratic side neither one is going to be the democratic nominee. neither mrs. clinton nor bernie sanders. bill: whole biden, bloomberg. >> the game is far from over. >> more to do with the fbi i think. >> correct. bill: thank you, doug and monica. martha, what's next? martha: new hampshire feeling the bern around hillary clinton struggling, new reports michael bloomberg sees opening in the democratic presidential race. will former governor get in and what impact will it actually have? >>> what a-list actor taking on the role of donald trump with a brand new video is now going viral. who is that? >> mr. gorbachev, tear down this wall. i can build you a much nicer one. real estate. if he is stuck in quicksand, he's

these are people who have honorific titles, mayors, governors, or members -- >> thank george mcgovern for that. >> in congress -- there were 712 of them. there's a movement to save the super dallas, some like christine pelosi from san francisco, i know her, she vows as a superdelegate she will vote for the candidate who gets the most votes through the primary system. the most votes through the primary system rather than trying to anoint somebody that -- >> did you think it was outrageous when you were a superdelegate? >> yes. i did. >> but served anyway. >> no, i -- it was a title. >> go ahead, david. >> i respectfully disagree about the superdelegates. may be the republicans are wondering about whether they should have superdelegates. what the superdelegates are good for is that there has to be some peer review in an organization about deciding who will lead the organization. and when you -- when you have only primaries and only voice of the voters and don't have people who know ted cruz or know marco rubio or know donald trump, having a voice in this, i think that you wind up -- i t

they consider themselves to be the first, first state, and then iowa snuck in here in 1972 when george mcgoverniscovered he might be able to exploit it to indicate support for him there. but prior to that it was always new hampshire. those voters, they've never paid attention to what happens in iowa. >> and good iowa candidates, like mike huckabee, rick santorum, pat robertson, they bear little resemblance. is donald trump a good new hampshire candidate? he wad ahead in the polls in iowa heading into tonight and didn't win. >> he's had a bigger, longer lead in new hampshire. >> exactly. a sustained lead in new hampshire, much matterer ahead. again, we don't know. we simply don't know if -- the question was, will trump's people come out and vote? a lot of them did. he got more votes than any previous republican candidate ever got in the iowa caucuses. >> except for -- ted cruz. >> ted cruz. >> right, but all the others, whoever ran, he got more. >> the huge republican turnout i think will end up being a very important story. not for any one candidate but terms of understanding what this raucous

didn't they try to do that with george mcgovern in '72? >> well, they've got to have somebody there besides bernie, or it's a huge disaster. neil: all right. ben cohen, a big backer, bipartisan raging about the ice cream that ben and jerry make. of course, sold the company. ben cohen's a big bernie sanders supporter. i don't know if it was your new flavor that did the trick, ben cohen -- [laughter] but you've got to be happy with what you're hearing and seeing tonight. what do you make of it? >> well, i'll take credit for a percentage point. [laughter] in iowa i took credit for .2 percentage points. neil: oh, that's pretty clever. i know where you're going here. when you look at this, ben, here is a candidate who is not making any bones about the fact he wants to raise taxes, largely on the upper income. he has spread he wants -- he has said he wants to spread it to the middle class. he's talking a lot more government. you're okay with that, and it appears a good many democrats in the state of new hampshire are okay with that, and you argu

and then i worked with george mcgovern in 1972. i got to go to seattle and hooked up the very first presidential phone for potential voters. just so many fines are coming across. like you're going talk about the flint water crisis. on cnn this morning, they were showing the mayor, and, of course, the first thing they say is the republican banker is going to pay for it, and that means they can stay indoors, stay in the air conditioning with their white collars and ties, and it's really simple. host: so randall, you said you're going to vote -- caller: let me say this to you. they just announced it, they're going to pass a $5 billion fine. will that finance flint's water crisis instead of having to talk about paul ryan going to go up and down the corridor and y'all voting, waiting to see how they're going to finance it, complain about it, and argue back and forth. let's just cut that seal off the show. host: thanks for calling. t.j. at twitter this morning, we need a president to protect the border and protect the constitution, espec

have been hearing about the missing millions since the days of robert taft and on the left since george mcgovernk that's the strategy. the problem for cruz, among other things, he has the problems a former texas senator had, even his best friends can't stand him. a whole lot of republicans look at trump and say it's a little odd to imagine but compared to cruz. and that goes back to what you guys were talking about in the earlier segment. for different reasons nobody wants to strike at the king. and my feeling is the only conceivable way to stop trump is for those republicans who regard him with genuine fear, not that he would lose, that he'd win -- >> it's not that everybody is not striking at the king. that's one part of it. it's who the king is choosing not to strike at. there is one. and it's marco rubio. he started off this entire election campaign, donald trump, insulting hispanic americans. so i -- i'm sorry. i -- someone tell me that they don't smell a deal. am i crazy? >> i don't know whether there is a deal or not. >> doesn't it smell like one. >> but chris cillizza, you have continual

when george mcgovern actually in 1972,omination back the democratic party changed its rules.hey're going to use those rules against bernie sanders in the same way they use them against dennis kucinich, they redistricted him. they use it against howard dean with a smear campaign. against jesse jackson after he had won 12 major midwestern primaries. been efforts to reform the democratic party and make it more like a social democratic party of europe. and it didn't work. basically because the war machine took a hold of the party and created the war in vietnam and broke up that movement. that is still going to happen, unfortunately, while bernie has a pretty good agenda -- at least in a sickly, i have some differences with him on foreign .olicy -- at least domestically i have some differences with him on foreign policy, and he supports the war machine and the military budget that is robbing us blind. we agree to my sickly. -- domestically. for many party supporters, we are plan b. theythers, we are plan a, know that even if money were to win, it would normally constrain what he c

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