research on china some critics say trump if he succeeded anything it's in making china great again george packer a new yorker writer recently said that trump's america is becoming a failed state what's your impression when you look also at how europeans see the u.s. today well it's quite a spectacle i must say and i said the whole of these things a confluence of crises with the leadership absent or has exacerbated them so it is on the other hand you know. perhaps to a european colleagues but if you look at the wave of social unrest in the united states and school. on the sheer anger at the system make racism that prevails in our country that really isn't addressed. hey take some heart in that i mean it's a powerful powerful symbol movement that is really shaking the country i don't know that such a bad thing frankly it's timely you know this is waking is up the pendant is waking us up to some things and that's a cathartic time and i don't know that that's a weakness of the united states i think you could say it's a strength how it turns out i don't know but i have been heartened by the activism

and so you liberate the people of iraq george packer was selling this line or you liberate the women of afghanistan and yet you and i know that once you start dropping cruise missiles on people. that are hell fire missiles the whole idea of human rights is a joke. talk a little bit about how they re frame the argument for war yeah this is like the humanitarian as a more their responsibility to protect konar. both sides handling it for example when you know when there were no weapons the destruction weapons of mass starvation when there was no al-qaeda tie then it became about democracy it became about getting rid of the tyrant and so you saw the argument being at least on the right side was you have a saddam was bad we got rid of him in afghanistan that's taken on an i think an even more cynical tone when we say we can't leave ever apparently because of women's rights because of girls and schools but that of course misunderstands the context and doesn't understand that we empower many of the folks who you know are against women's education throughout the 1980 s. that has been the cas