george papadopoulos, another foreign-policy adviser, remember, who then is meeting with his criminal cutouts in london and were offering them dirt on hillary clinton in the form of thousands of e-mails that the russians supposedly had. put all this together and actually there's quite a bit going on. >> it's hard to see this as a string of coincidences because without these connections with france -- >> i was reading it and i think most people will wonder, how to get all these folks with strong russia connections that come into the trump campaign? do they seek out the campaign? tessa campaign seek them out? how does this happen? >> it's a bit of both and part of it is the russians seeking them out. part of the story here is russian intelligence trying to worm its way speedy did russia send these folks over to the campaign? >> i don't think so but i do think once they become members of the campaign, in case of papadopoulos and carter page, they try to entice them into better relations. it's not that hard a job. turns out the trump campaign wants to have not just better relations with r

she says, quote, the information concerning overture to trump campaign foreign policy adviser george papadopoulos which resulted in the initiation of the investigation has proven to be well-founded. as mr. papadopoulos' plea makes clear, the majority seems to believe if they can discredit the investigation by attacking the fbi, justice department and state department, it can get the public to ignore the growing body of evidence of illicit contacts between the trump campaign and the russians. this approach is as disingenuous as it is destructive to your understand teution. institution. that is coming from congressman schiff. something we've seen a lot when it comes to the russia investigation, disagreement from the left and the right. eric: schiff firing back on those claims. arthel: we're going to bring in a senior legal fellow at the heritage foundation. and a former doj official. more than a dozen u.s. intelligence agencies confirmed that russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election. what was the entry point into the investigation about whether anyone from the trump campaign worked in co

george papadopoulos another advisory member whose meeting with these kremlin cutouts in london who are offering him dirt on hillary clinton the form of thousands of e-mails that the russians supposedly had. .. back and with carter page to entice them to better relation because it turns out the pain -- the campaign not just better relation but what is called the author record communications channel. first he tries to set off -- set up a meeting and then they say if you continue with your contact said he tries to have a backdoor communication. so if i'm the russian now i say this is big. we are happy to talk to him make people forget when the fbi begins its investigation in jul july 2016 they know nothing about at the time it is counterintelligence. from the fbi prospectively all of this they are necessarily investigating collusion at that point but see what the russians are up to howard making overtures to all the people in the trump campaign? and cultivating relationships with one particular campaign? that a foreign government is waiting into the power structur structure. >> but is thi

number 1, the george papadopoulos and the fisa courts are distinct. what happened to carter page in the devin nunes memo is distinct from what triggered the mueller investigation, which in devin nunes own memo which was triggered by george papadopoulos talking to a drunk person in london. it's not a partisan witch hunt. it's a solid investigation. >> julie: all right. thank you both. kevin and richard. thank you. >> good to be here. >> julie: jon? >> jon: battle brewing in west virginia after republicans look to flip a key democratic seat. a look at the race here on fox news. and race fans get a big scare when one car ends up off the track. copd makes it hard to breathe. so to breathe better, i go with anoro. ♪ go your own way copd tries to say, "go this way." i say, "i'll go my own way, with anoro." ♪ go your own way once-daily anoro contains two medicines called bronchodilators that work together to significantly improve lung function all day and all night. anoro is not for asthma. it contains a type of medicine that increases risk of death in peopl

george papadopoulos is now cooperating in the russian probe in this picture. and paul manafort and jeff sessions himself. jim, we're now learning about this individual, schmitz, and that he was -- thought he had clinton's e-mails. what was he doing? >> that's right, and keep in mind schmitz was no coffee boy, right? he advised the campaign for a number of months. he was actually considered for secretary of the navy in the trump administration. he, we are told by sources, was relentless in his pursuit here, and he really believed that he had the real deal, clinton's e-mails. so much so that he took them to three major agencies. the fbi, the state department, took them to the television community's inspector general. then he went to the house intelligence committee with these, his attention being to get them verified. he didn't want to lose security clearance in and possibly to disseminate them. that's the issue here because it appears to fit in with a broader effort in the campaign to get these e-mails regardless of where they were coming from. >> when you talk

and less concerned about what george papadopoulos is doing and who knew about it.beth: a a lot of people are asking for their lawmakers by that investigation wasn't as close to begin with. i do want to switch to the news of the day because we see the president tweeting about james comey. i just want to get your reaction this week and also, the president as i did not declassify those memos on friday, the content of those memos. so therefore, he broke the law. does he have an argument there? >> this guy didn't think it was as much of a problem and hillary clinton mismanage classified information. i don't think it's a surprise when we find out he might have mishandled classified information. these were private. these are my personal memos and i just did this as a private citizen. if you are in fbi are, they are not personal. anyone in government as we know in a scene from all of these different scandals, jury member, how you can share information and how it works as classified, not classified yet it's kind of ridiculous to say this is a personal thing. it's talking to

it causes concern about george papadopoulos as a cooperate -- cooperator.m his lawyer, i'm probably calling him and telling him to keep his mouth shut at bars. >> there is the fact he's speaking freely and out at the club talking to people, does that indicate he's cooperating so fully he has no fear of crossing the prosecutor at this point because he's given it all up? >> i don't know. you know, he's obviously free to say whatever he wants to say. the prosecutor and team can't tell him not to speak about these things but it certainly could diminish his value as a can operator if he is shooting his mouth off and he can be seen as a loose cannon if he contradicts himself. that could be used to impeach him later it's usually wise to keep your mouth shut.. it's uso keep your mouth shu it's usually wise to keep your mouth shut. i don't know whether he's feeling liberated because he's told the truth or just sort of likes the attention. >> van der zwaan's sentencing is tomorrow. what do you think? >> he's not cooperating and probably faces a modest prison sentence

i want to ask you about george papadopoulos. >> okay. >> page 189 of your book you say in late july, the fbi learned that george papadopoulos what been discussing months earlier obtaining from the russian government e-mails damaging to hillary clinton. now, that was news to me in the book. i know the fbi had to sign off on everything in the book. but the statement of offense around george papadopoulos just says that he was told that the russian himself e-mails of hillary clinton's. you appear to be going further here saying it was more than that, that he actually was in conversations with them about obtaining those e-mails presumably for the trump campaign. is that how you meant that? >> the public source for that is the two versions of the memo from the hpsci over the page fisa. so that's an accurate description of what is in the public record. >> so papadopoulos, that information came to the fbi and the fbi brought together a multi-agency working group to start this investigation or did the fbi start this on its own? >> the fbi opened it in our counterintelligence division in late

was it because of george papadopoulos?initiation took place months after george papadopoulos had his little conversation -- drunken conversation in a bar. or was it the dossier? that's important to me to know. you will have a -- russia -- someone hacked the dnc server and hacked john podesta's emails whether or not there is a dossier. i've never thought discrediting the dossier put away the russia probe. >> chris: in your role as chair of the house oversight committee you wrote a letter to epa administrator scott pruitt this week seeking formal interviews with five of his top aides. why and how much trouble is pruitt in? >> i don't know how much drubl he ---trouble he is. we want to know if the epa is a good steward of taxpayer money. it is legitimate for us to ask are you being good stewards of the american taxpayer dollar and appropriate because we have jurisdiction over the office of government ethics to look into his lease. i didn't hire him. i am not the one contemplating getting rid of him. that's for president trump

this took months after george papadopoulos had conversation in bar.ant more me to know -- someone hacked the dnc server, someone hacked john podesta emails, someone played games with the american people, whether or not there's a dossier, i'm never faulted or discrediting the dossier discrediting the russia probe. chris: one final question, i want to switch subjects, in your role of house oversight committee you wrote a letter to epa administrator scott pruitt seeking formal interview with five top aides why and how much trouble is pruitt? >> i don't know how much trouble he's in. the reason the oversight committee wants to know whether or not the epa is a good steward of taxpayer money is because congress created the epa, fund the epa, entirely legitimate for us to ask, are you being good stewards of the american taxpayer dollar and appropriate because we have jurisdiction over government ethics to look into the lease, i didn't hire him. i'm not the one contemplating promoting him or getting rid of him, that's all for president trump, but congress doe

this took months after george papadopoulos had conversation in bar.rtant more me to know -- someone hacked the dnc server, someone hacked john podesta emails, someone played games with the american people, whether or not there's a dossier, i'm never faulted or discrediting the dossier discrediting the russia probe. chris: one final question, i want to switch subjects, in your role of house oversight committee you wrote a letter to epa administrator scott pruitt seeking formal interview with five top aides why and how much trouble is pruitt? >> i don't know how much trouble he's in. the reason the oversight committee wants to know whether or not the epa is a good steward of taxpayer money is because congress created the epa, fund the epa, entirely legitimate for us to ask, are you being good stewards of the american taxpayer dollar and appropriate because we have jurisdiction over government ethics to look into the lease, i didn't hire him. i'm not the one contemplating promoting him or getting rid of him, that's all for president trump, but congress d

they secretly arrested george papadopoulos when he got off a plane at washington dulles airport. and tonight "new york times" is reporting that agents stopped joel zamel at washington international airport and briefly seized his electronic devices. they're also reporting tonight that fbi agents stopped a russian oligarch at a new york area airport, questioned him about his dealings with mr. trump and seized his e electronics, according to a person familiar with the matter. and ted mallic was stopped at logan airport at boston when he returned from an international trip. they took his electronics and questioned him about roger stone and wikileaks. and george nader was stopped in january. nader is emerging as a more and more complex figure with connections from the united arab emirates to russia. we have reporting on the extent of his connections with russia. he's a lebanese american businessman who used his russian connections to set up what has become to close followers of this drama. the meeting in the seashells between eric prince and the manager of a state run russian investme

it was set up by supposed coffee boy george papadopoulos. that's some coffee boy.found himself back in the headlines, a report on a liberal site says papadopoulos was apparently discussing the russia investigation last week in the club. quote, on thursday at a chicago nightclub papadopoulos had some drinks and in a conversation with a new acquaintance made new and explosive claims about attorney general jeff sessions. jason wilson a computer engineer recognized papadopoulos and his wife at the hydrate nightclub where he sat down at their table and introduced himself. papadopoulos said sessions were well aware of the contact between himself and joseph mitsud with high level connections in russia who first informed papadopoulos about the democratic e-mails. wilson said papadopoulos said during the conversation that sessions encouraged me to find out anything he could about the hacked hillary clinton e-mails that he mentioned. whether that's true or not, we do not know. papadopoulos' wife denies any discussions but she did admit she spoke to wilson and the russia inve

he did that with george papadopoulos. way back when before anyone knew who george papadopoulos was. so the message here is, one, if traveling back up your cell phone, but two, if you have any kind of connection, it seems, to the trump campaign, the trump transition, the trump white house, you have to be very concerned that the knock on the door or the person approaching you is someone who is on mueller's team. >> i want to read exactly what ted mallic said to nbc news. he said i am not an operative, have no russia contacts and aside from appearing on air and in print often to defend and congratulate our president have done nothing wrong. what message does this send? what message does it sent? >> the message it sends is that the fbi is aggressively investigating these crimes. and if you are tied to somebody or involved with somebody who is under investigation, you can expect to be questioned by the fbi and really the answer there is, you know, you may not -- whether he did anything wrong or not, we don't know. but if you are associated with people who are subjects of a criminal inves

was perhaps a concerted russian effort to infiltrate the trump campaign through people like george papadopoulos, carter page and rick gates and paul manafort. all these people have russia linkages and roger stone is another one of those. so it seems to me there is a pattern of facts coming out, and, of course, robert mueller knows more than we do, but to me this is very strong circumstantial evidence of collusion, which is emering here. >>> you have a special prosecutor investigating possible russia illegal interveerns in our presidential campaign and presidential election, you also have a russia leader who has invaded the ukraine, seized crimea, you have these poisonings that are occurring, which the civilized world is reacting to and blaming russia for, and amid all of that, donald trump invites vladimir putin to the white house. what are the diplomatic precedence here that usually would be followed? >> usually, lawrence, if your adversary -- the international adversary right now of the united states is russia, and you went through some of the reasons why they're an adversary, if that adversa

wiki-leaks and george papadopoulos. named in the dnc lawsuit and even some democrats on capitol hill are having an issue with that. >> i actually think is lawsuit is ill-conceived. i am not supportive of it. i think we have a serious criminal activity by the russian and those within the trump campaign. to make this political is actually the wrong thing to be doing. i am not interested in a political tit for tat. i am interested in getting to the truth. if there is criminal conduct engaged in, holding people accountable. >> bret: with that, a lot of news. our panel. tom writer for the washington examiner. and leslie a radio host and matt contributor with the hill. matt, let's start with the dnc. some people saying this is a fund-raising cam bit. other saying it's an effort to get people deposed and continue this thing even if these investigations wrap up. how do you see it? >> it's the dumbest political move in a long time. it makes it all about politics. those of us on tv every day to explain this investigation with rus

george papadopoulos now tweets smiling selfies.e papadopoulos, now tweets smiling beach selfies with a mykonos hash tag. rick gates, for weeks on home confinement with electronic monitoring, gets rapid approval for a family vacation and shaifz down his potential prison time. michael flynn flies cross country to stump for a california congressional candidate and books a speaking gig in new york. >> those are somehow affiliated with trump organizations and the trump administration. and there is a signal that if you do get wrapped up in this, and if mueller's team raps on your door, if you're forthcoming with information, there is life for you on the other side of the rainbow. maybe not for paul manafort, but the other individuals. >> that's right, the flip side we're talking about is paul manafort who has been steadfast in his plea deals. he is not flying across the country. he has had more charges added on and is going down by the special counsel. the scope and the breadth of it all, we continue to see people moving in a direction t

the same thing other folks like michael flynn and george papadopoulos and rick gates are currently beingor so you would expect andrew mccabe would be treated the same under the law. >> will he be? will there be a, referral? >> i don't think so. was more dangerous is the lawsuit against the president or doj for this unjust firing, the attacks on his character by donald trump, that is the thing to look for. he was fired 26 hours before his pension, the investigation report was released then. that is a whole lot of problems for andrew mccabe. the constant attacks by donald trump drove the investigations which we didn't fly and simply had a lack of memory or could not recall facts that is not enough to criminally indict someone or even charge them. i am a former prosecutor and i don't think the case is going anywhere. the civil case we need to pay attention to. shannon: prof. jonathan turley, jamie, for you, he said flynn was indicted for criminal statements, mccabe use the flynn defense, was confused and unlike flynn it appeared to have worked. the issue was not as much the crying need to i

they brought a suit against joseph missuf who prosecutor say told george papadopoulos that russia had stolen democratic e-mails. also brought against wikileaks and julian assuage. after them there's a bunch of familiar named. the trump campaign, donald trump junior, paul manafort, jared kushner, george papadopoulos, rick gates. some unnamed john does 1 through 10. name unknown russian operatives who had been part of the hacking scheme against the dnc. in this lawsuit today, the democrats are seeking monetary daniels just like the democrats did in watergate in '72. they are seeking an admission from the defendants that they participated in this conspiracy. of course, in order to justify this claim, the dnc has to spell out what happened to them. why they believe they were the wronged party here. we get a long prose, well-written narrative of what they say happened. it starts like this, in the r run-up to the election, russian intelligence services hacked into the dnc commuters and used the information to advance its own interest, destabilizing the u.s. political environment and support

the same thing other folks like michael flynn and george papadopoulos and rick gates are currently beingu would expect that andrew mccabe would be treated the same under the law. >> shannon: scott, do you think there will be a criminal referral for andrew mccabe? >> i don't think so. what's more dangerous here's the lawsuit, civil lawsuit against the president or doj for this unjust firing. that is, they pretexts, the attacks on his character, by donald trump. that's the thing to look for. he was fired 26 hours before his pension vested. this investigation report was released then. that's a whole lot of problems for her and her mccabe. i will be honest with you. the constant attacks by donald trump certainly drove the investigation. if he didn't lie any just simply had a lack of memory or could not recall facts, it's not enough to criminally indict someone or even charge someone. it doesn't make any sense. i am a former prosecutor and i don't think the case is going nowhere. it's the civil case we need to pay attention to. >> shannon: is going to be a big one. professor jonathan turley,

another name on there is george papadopoulos.ing, key line in that dnc statement is, if the occupant of the oval office won't protect our democracy, democrats will. it is our obligation to the american people. before that they say this is not partisan, it's patriotic. i agree with shermichael that this is something that i think actually needs to be done. if the president isn't going to stand up for democracy, then the dnc's like, well, we will do it. it is not like this is a frivolous lawsuit. it isn't like there isn't stuff in the public domain already that give this lawsuit legs and foundation. i mentioned george papadopoulos for a reason. he was the first person no one ever heard of that bob mueller indicted. arrested him at dulles airport. he was the one who bragged to a foreign diplomat in europe about the fact that the russians may or may not have hillary clinton's e-mails -- or had hacked in to the democrats' e-mails. you had the meeting of the russians, with the russians, just down the street at trump tower in june of 201

actually, paul manafort, roger stone, jared kushner, george papadopoulos, and richard gates. i'm going to talk in a moment with somebody about some of the legal strategies. but what can they do differently that isn't already there? they content have the resources that bob mueller already has. they have to pay for these lawsuits and pay lawyers. >> they can seek money. if they were to win a judgment they would receive money. there is an interesting parallel here to watergate, actually, where the democratic national committee filed suit against the committee to reelect richard nixon well before the watergate situation was resolved and said our offices were broken into, our phone lines were tapped that's illegal active and we were damaged by it and they sought money from president nixon's re-election committee. in that case they got money from it and taking the symbolic acknowledgent in of wrongdoing. on the day that nixon left office the re-election committee agreed to pay the democratic party about $00,000. >> rosalind thanks for your reporting on this. of the "washington post

investigation, ignored key evidence, and failed to interview key witnesses like michael flynn and george papadopoulos. they call it "a systematic effort to muddy the waters and to deflect attention away from the president. >> let's get to cecilia vega, live at the white house. the report also mentions the trump tower meeting with the russian lawyer. we're finding her ties to the putin regime are deeper? >> reporter: yes, look at what she told nbc today. i'm a lawyer and an informant. since 2013, i have been actively communicating with the office of the russian general. >> thank you. >>> and a sheriff's deputy shot and killed. officers going door to door now. and what we're learning tonight. here's linzie janis. >> reporter: tonight, with the manhunt for suspected cop killer john williams intensifying, news of a possible motive. williams on the run since wednesday, suspected of killing corporal eugene cole and stealing his cruiser. caught minutes later on surveillance video allegedly robbing this convenience store. sources say corporal cole may have been targeted after he was involved in the arrest of

means to trump's aides like roger stone oh man if we're rick gates and remember rick gates and george papadopoulos have already pled guilty on the moeller side of the investigation yeah i mean it sounds a little bit like the o.j. simpson case right he had a criminal investigation a criminal trial and then you had the civil lawsuit so i mean you know who knew that american politics could be a lot like the simpson case but what does this tell us about the state of u.s. politics you said that we saw something similar to this right after watergate is this as bad or is it worse. well in this case it's it would be conceived if everything bears to be true it's worse because we're talking about foreign entities that are involved in an attempt to interfere in a us election it's bad enough when political parties within the united states are attempting to interfere in a proper election cycle it's a whole nother thing one and a foreign state and foreign players like wiki leaks are alleged to be involved if these bear to be true at all then this is in effect much worse because now we have global players partic

investigation, ignored key evidence, and failed to interview key witnesses like michael flynn and george papadopoulos. they call it "a systematic effort to muddy the waters and to deflect attention away from the president." >> let's get to cecilia vega, live at the white house. the report also mentions the trump tower meeting with the russian lawyer. she had long insisted she's not a kremlin operative, but we're finding her ties to the putin regime are deeper? >> reporter: yeah, we've obtained e-mails that show she has ties to the kremlin that go back for years. look at what she told nbc today. quote, "i'm a lawyer and an informant. since 2013, i have been actively communicating with the office of the russian prosecutor general." david, that's a top kremlin official. >> an eye-opening quote. cecilia, thank you. >>> and next to the warning from authorities after a sheriff's deputy was shot and killed. now they believe he may have been specifically targeted. the suspect seen moments after the attack on surveillance. officers going door to door now. and what we're learning tonight. here's linzie janis.

somebody who knows about this very document leaked information because there was the article about george papadopoulosemember that? so for the organization worried about leaks and fully worried about being transparent to say we didn't do anything wrong and we have nothing to hide then stop acting like they did something wrong. >> moreth importantly focus on governing.a just like the russia investigation they need a flowchart. >> please. all the democrats started this. >> and the members of these committees they say the oversight as they look into russia as well and you are not giving us this information but apparently have not beenw shy we will keep an i on this through the deadline. >> they never say let's give back to governing., >> we will wrap this but when we come back just verbal punching but what does that tell you. ♪ ♪ the last four years overall. switch into a new chevy now. current competitive owners can get five thousand dollars below msrp on this 2018 equinox when you finance with gm financial. find new roads at your local chevy dealer. shannon: it is time for the real news roundup.. mark

former campaign chairman paul mann afford his advisor roger stone and former campaign aides george papadopoulosand richard gates now the complaint alleges that the trump campaign colluded with russia to steal and publish e-mails from the democratic campaign workers in an attempt to help trump win the presidency much of what is in this lawsuit was already known but there are a couple of things that we didn't know for example it says it alleges that in late twenty fifteen that far back that european intelligence services said that they were witnessing some suspicious communications between russian operatives and members of the trump campaign that they notified the u.s. about that again at late two thousand and fifteen it also goes on to say that the hack was earlier than we previously thought that it happened again in twenty fifteen and it wasn't just the computer system it was the phone system that was compromised so some new details in this lawsuit this could be seen as a dangerous move if people perceive that it is in any way going to interfere with special counsel robert mueller who is invest

number one, the russian investigation was triggered by george papadopoulos. those in the devon nunez memo. number two, the letter released by the 11 members of congress, the chairman of the oversight committee said it should be referred back to the inspector general of the justice department. not by congress or rod rosenstein. not by attorney general jeff sessions. it should be handled by the person handling the investigation. these things have already been hashed out. >> steve: take a few steps back. look at it from the perspective of someone not following it closely. put yourself in the shoes of somebody who's part approach trump america. they see this going on. through the fake hegel it looks like there's dodgy stuff going on with the fbi. nothing being investigated. just for bringing things together you have to have an equivalent investigation to agree that? >> i'm in green room reading over your op-ed. we have a larger problem in this country. the criminality of law enforcement is not handled the same way as the criminality of everyday americans. if me a

the campaign advisor, and george papadopoulos told the diplomat that russia had thousands of e-mails would embarrass clinton and potentially hurt her campaign. a few weeks later there was leaked e-mails. they told about papadopoulos and the chairman suggested tip regarding papadopoulos would've appeared in some ways on channels related to sharing alliances between other countries. nunez says there's no evidence at did. >> the investigation uses the tools of our intelligence services that are not supposed to be used on our citizens. so we wanted to know what intelligence did you have that led to this. what we found is that there was no intelligence that passed through the channels to our government. >> the top democrat on the house intelligence committee says nunez is being disingenuous. adam schiff said the information regarding papadopoulos papadopoulos has proven to be well-founded. he points to the guilty plea in the russia pro. he said the majority seems to believe that if it can discredit the initiation of the investigation by attacking the fbi, justice department state departmen

he charged michael flynn and george papadopoulos and all have been charged with making false statementsthis investigation. >> i want to move forward on this. in the "washington post" story yesterday when they talked about a month ago the trump team getting word he is not a target. they also said, by the way, in august rod rosenstein was asked, we see problems with the ukraine with a russian sympathetic leader. we would like to know if we can investigate what manafort did with this ukranian leader in regards to russian payments. why did rod rosenstein green light that? that has nothing to do with meddling in the election. did it? >> this raises a lot of questions. remember when mueller was appointed. rod rosenstein should an appointpt document. it was very, very general and said he was given the responsibility of investigating contacts between the russian and trump campaign. that was then. 10 or 12 weeks later, he writes a memo to mueller explaining what specific authority mueller has. you think why didn't he do that in the beginning. it was after the no-knock, gun strong fbi raid on pau

beginning with his mantra of no collusion, no collusion we certainly have seen collusion with george papadopoulos, they previewed the dissemination of those e-mails, and in trump tower that arranged dirt on hillary clinton, the campaign's willingness to accept that help and shortly thereafter the russians unloading stolen e-mails to wikileaks for their dissemination. so there is certainly evidence of collusion. whether it rises to proof beyond a reasonable doubt of a conspiracy to defraud the united states bob mueller will have to decide. it president, don, also said that the intelligence committee had reached a conclusion. we haven't. the republicans decided to abandon the investigation. even when we hadn't interviewed several key witnesses, hadn't subpoenaed any number of documents we needed, and that's hardly conclusive of the president's case. the president today also in mar-a-lago made the claim he's been fully cooperative and has never invoked privilege or withheld documents. in fact, it pertains to our investigation they have done that repeatedly. steve bannon testified that he was instruc

the same thing like michael flynn, george papadopoulos and rick gates are being charged for.w mccabe would be treated the same under the law. >> bill: will that happen? that from texas republican john ratcliffe after a watchdog report finding mccabe repeatedly lied to cover up leaks to the media. he is with me now. welcome back to "america's newsroom." i know the treatment you want him to get. will he get it? >> i think he will. if i were going to make a prediction i would expect there to be a criminal referral in this matter and i would expect that andrew mccabe will be facing the same types of charges that michael flynn, rick gates and george papadopoulos are facing. i certainly am of the opinion that he should be based on the inspector general's report. again, this is the department of justice investigating itself and finding misconduct on not one, not two or three but four different occasions. some of those under oath. that i believe even though i'm not in the business of prosecuting people anymore, i believe in this case will be a prosecutable crime. >> bill: that was a

the investigation of russian ties clearly is not limited to more fringe players such as george papadopoulos or the ever surprising carter page. it means the fbi had a basis to suspect russian collusion involving the highest levels of the trump campaign. this gets interest will it's a lot of money laundering, not disclosing business interests. it doesn't look like collusion. now the pieces are starting to fall into place that a lot of money is changing hands. >> it looks like mueller has been circling the whole time, bringing in various players and pieces of this investigation. but never losing sight of the fact that what he's really investigating is whether or not there was russian interference in the u.s. election. and if so whether there were people in the trump campaign who were involved. it begins to look increasingly like there are players who are very close to the president himself, who had relationships with people in russia, who were enmeshed with them for business or other purposes. there are all kinds of allegations. people who are american citizens, to whom they funneled money, i