you were the predicate, george papadopoulos is supposed to be the predicate because of that conversation you had. george thank you very much. we are going to continue to follow the ball here we've got exclusive reaction to all of this with ranking member of the house intel committee devon nunes next live, his efforts to get answers about joseph mipsid and his ties to intel foreign agency just how far reaching were these efforts to spy on the trump campaign and then judiciary member jim jordan is up ahead back in -we bought a house in a neighborhood with a lot of other young couples. then we noticed something...strange. oh, could you, uh, make me a burger? -poof -- you're a burger. [ laughter ] -everyone acts like their parents. -you have a tattoo. -yes. -fun. do you not work? -so, what kind of mower you got, seth? -i don't know. some kid comes over. we pay him to do it. -but it's not all bad. someone even showed us how we can save money by bundling home and auto with progressive. progressive can't protect you from becoming your parents. but we can protect your home and auto. you wouldn't

you were the predicate, george papadopoulos is supposed to be the predicate because of that conversation you had. george thank you very much. we are going to continue to follow the ball here we've got exclusive reaction to all of this with ranking member of the house intel committee devon nunes next live, his efforts to get answers about joseph mipsid and his ties to intel foreign agency just how far reaching were these efforts to spy on the trump campaign and then judiciary member jim jordan is up ahead back in run with us. in the unstoppable john deere gator™ xuv835. and be prepared to go the extra mile. because when others take rain checks... ...we take the wheel. with 3-wide seating, heat & a/c. this is the coolest, most comfortable gator™ yet. nothing runs like a deere™. run with us. ♪ test drive a gator™ xuv835 at your john deere dealer today. maria: we are continuing to learn more about the lack of probable cause behind the fbi's probe into the trump campaign and the 2016 election year and we now know it was this man, joseph mifsud, who fed george papadopoulos information about ru

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were rogue operators at the cia and fbi involved in setting up something line george papadopoulos which is what papadopoulos says. he is inviteed to london and sits down with an under-confer informant for the fbi. he sticks out his phone like he is recording the conversation. george, you and russia are hacking the campaign. it appears like papadopoulos was a patsy set up as a pre-text to investigation and spy on the trump campaign to collect evidence of a non-existence conspiracy to damage trump. >> sean: kimberly, i look at all three of you. you all have taken the stance of the 1%. the 99% of analysis went the other way. when you so this boomerang. the country was told one thing but in reality the other people were involved. how do we get everybody to see this is really bad? this is a clear and present danger on a lot of different levels to this great republic we have? >> well, sean, this goes to one of the follies of the special counsel. we warned of this when mueller was put into place. it creates a black hole. we had 2 years where the press was allowed to run wild hand in hand with

were rolled off her ureters at the cia and fbi involved in setting up somebody like george papadopoulos, which is whatsa papadopoulos says. he's invited over to london, he sits down with an undercover informant for the fbi, or cia, by the name of stefan halper. he sticks out his phone as if he is recording the conversation and says, it's great that russia isck helping you and the campai, right, george? george, you and the campaign are involved in hacking, aren't you? it seems, george, you are the metal man for. it does increasingly appear that papadopoulos was a patsy set up by intelligence agencies, maybe the u.s., may be british, and both, as a pretext to investigate and spy on the trump campaign, to collect evidence of a nonexistent conspiracy to damage trump. >> sean: you know, kimberly, i look at o all three of you, you all have taken the stance of the 1%. the 99% of analysis went to the other way. when you see this boomerang, that the country was told one thing but in reality, it was the people, the other people involved, how did we get everybody to now see, this is really bad? th

one about george papadopoulos as an individual. and my background dealing with other governments, not russia. and then trump and russia. so it was a very bizarre meeting. and, of course, there was no fruit to bear from this meeting because there was no conspiracy. and i have never even met a russian official in my life so -- >> did she offer you sex? >> they, of course, overtly didn't offer it. but she made it very clear that was on the table if we continued to enjoy each other's company. and as you saw in the -- >> here's what you wrote -- here's what you wrote in your book about azra turk. we'll put it on the screen. azra turk is a vision right out of central casting for a spy flick. she's a sexy bottle blonde in her 30s. she isn't shy about showing her curves as if anyone could miss them. she's a fantasy's fantasy. if this is what academic researcher look like, i've been going to the wrong school, i love to myself. do you know today, george, who is she? >> i have no idea who this person is. and i'm actually very curious to find

the first will be the evidence, that of george papadopoulos and carter page.ey were recorded which we have heard they were by stephan halbert was a spy for the fbi and that the fbi would tell that information from the foreign intelligence surveillance court, that is going to be huge. i will tell you something else. the unmasking, i think one of the biggest pieces of information that will come out here as well is those people that were unmasked, americans that were unmasked, their conversations, telephone conversations with foreigners. samantha powers, there was a big debate and trey gowdy got her to answer some very important questions. she unmasked nearly 300, that is unheard of. when john bolton was at the u.n. he unmasked three people, three people. she unmasked close to 300. i will tell you some of those names will be very important. >> dan: that is what started the case. sidney i will go to you with your legal expertise i would appreciate from a legal framework, if there are recordings made by intelligence asset the united states is using, they processed

spoke with the fbi, wwe know that carter page was spied -- and george papadopoulos went to jail for a period of time. >> let's declassify those and look at what prompted this investigation, and cause the justice department to spy on americans and find out if they were ever notified by state department and other government against that this entire dossier, was a pile of bunch, an--bunk and should have never n used in fisa application process. kennedy: they should have been much moric bless --ic blessive s about who funded it, part of it and interviewed. trey gowdy said there is a transcript that is a game changer that not yet mate public, i assume it has to to with george papadopoulos recorded, and the transcript of that, what do you know of that recording? >> i can tell you, when you look at what papadopoulos has gone through, and he went over to london, we know he was spid on because he was in process of having a conversation with a myy high ranking government official from australia they later used as pled ca predicate to start ts investigation, they are so concerned what george p

to go peek in on george papadopoulos. that is not a coincidence that it shows up in the "new york times." it's how they inoculate themselves and try to lessen the blow. >> this is what the president has said about this. this goes back to over a year ago. people said he was crazy. they didn't know what he was talking about. >> president trump: a lot of ar" a lot of bad things happened. there was absolutely spying in my campaign. >> martha: do you think that that "new york times" article vind dates -- i go back to when the president goes back to talk about people wiring trump tower. people said it was unbelievable that he would suggest that. they jumped down his throat over that. now, you know, versions of that appear to be perhaps what we may end up seeing in this report. >> i remember back in the day when that came out, i was the chairman. i con about thed reince priebus -- i contacted reince priebus, who was the chief of staff. i said what in the world is the president talking about? reince priebus didn't have knowledge

revealing that the fbi sent an undercover investigator to meet with trump campaign adviser george papadopoulos to probe possible campaign ties to russia. >>> and attorney general william barr's war with house democrats is escalating tonight with speaker nancy pelosi accusing barr of lying to congress as the head of the judiciary committee threatens to hold barr in contempt. we'll talk about that and more with the top democrat on the senate intelligence committee, senator mark warner, in his first television interview since the release of the mueller report. >>> and our correspondents and analysts are also standing by. first, let's go to our white house correspondent, kaitlan collins. this letter from the white house counsel leaked out today amid the growing calls for the attorney general to resign because of his handling of the mueller investigation. >> reporter: and one day, wolf, after bill barr was at times critical of how robert mueller handled the investigation, as well, during his testimony on capitol hill yesterday. now this letter goes much further than bill barr did. it is a scathing

i could have happened to george papadopoulos? >> i'm sure he has many positive qualities.his focus on him reminds me of the focus of many people on the caravan to the run-up to the election. everybody in the trump world thought that this was a horrible thing and nobody else did which is why the congress flipped. let me tell you what donald trump said about your friend which is that he is a proven liar. this notion of spying -- >> tucker: i want to know what you think. he has worked for the u.s. government for cia as a contract spying, he reached out to this kid who had no knowledge of him at all. he is clearly acting on behalf. the obama administration would dispatch spies on a american citizen is clearly what happened. is that all right? >> 15 friendly countries report to our intelligence agencies that there are reports that they are getting, they credit that the russians are in fact as we now know from our intelligence community, trying to infiltrate the campaign and trying to tip the scales. that troubles me. >> tucker: does it bother you he wasn't a russian spy? he got

we had an australian diplomat sitting down with george papadopoulos reporting back george papadopoulos is reporting russia is offering dirt on hillary clinton. what are you going to do? go to congress and risk that being leaked? no. they took the quiet way to prove it. carving out the australian, getting rid of their long-time informant, you don't want him seeing the light of day in court. you insert a counterintelligence investigator who can go under cover, lay eyes on george papadopoulos and ask him point blank. that's how you do it. that's not spying. it's solid investigative work. >> it's all under investigation again. as you said, it's a heavily regulated, if you will, part of law enforcement, but it's also under scrutiny in an ongoing ig report, so if anything is there to be corrected or revealed we'll find out about it in a short order, right? >> bring it on. let's get the guidelines and the rule book. see what the bureau did and let's see if they violated any rules. >> let me ask you, tim o'brien, you've covered trump the longest out of all of us assembled. what does his full p

>> i have a little more confidence in "the new york times" story than i do for george papadopoulos. let's see what plays out in terms of who actually is in the source who comes in there. but i think the important thing is there was a placement put in there. they were trying to figure out in terms of this counterintelligence investigation, it's a defensive counterintelligence investigation, they're trying to find out did the russian government actually penetrate into a presidential campaign? they need to make sure that is not happening, so you're going to take this maneuver for sure. >> michael, people want to know what the trump campaign was like. we read from the mueller report. papadopoulos contacted trump campaign manager corey lewandowski via linkedin, as one does and emailed campaign official michael glassener about his interest in joining the trump campaign. on march 2 of 2016 papadopoulos sent another message to glassener speaking of his interest. notified papadopoulos by email that she had been told by glassener to introduce papadopoulos to sam clovis of iowa, the trump camp

former trump advisor george papadopoulos brings us tales of the deep state traps set for him. state traps set for him. >> it's not just like >> it's not just like papadopoulos drops in out of nowhere. you have all of this stuff going on in the summer before we get to papadopoulos information, you have all of this information coming out about what the russians are doing, with the hang hacking and the dumping of e-mails, intended to have an impact on the political system. then in the midst of that that's when we get the papadopoulos information. >> laura: well, that's from former general counsel of the fbi, jim baker about our next guest. george stephanopolous?-- no papadopoulos, said that he has only just begun to lay out the time line of when he believes the obama intel agencies were attempting to entrap him. he joins us now. george, what haven't you revealed to date, how many agencies were coming after you one person, and something that they tried to get your girlfriend to do? what was that? >> oh, my god. thanks for having me, laura. besides the fbi trying to have my then-gir

times" rights of the meeting, which we've talked about before at the london hotel, between george papadopoulos, a young newly affiliated member of the trump policy team at the time, where he has long claimed he felt like it was a set up, like he was being framed. this tonight is the reporting from "the new york times," "the american government's affiliation with the woman there who said her name was zero two is 1 previously unreported detail of an operation that has become a political flash point in the face of accusations by president trump and his allies that american law enforcement and intelligence officials spied on his campaign to undermine his electoral forces. they write, the decision to use miss turk in an operation aimed at a presidential campaign official, george papadopoulos, shows the level of alarm inside the fbi during a frantic period when the bureau was trying to determine the scope of russia's 2016 interference in the election, but also give any munition to mr. trump and his allies for their spying claims. we will unravel this. good evening, everybody. i am martha maccallum a

they describe that a woman set up a meeting with then-campaign adviser george papadopoulos in london.investigator. at that time, the fbi eventually ended up having four people in trump orbit under investigation, based on shady, suspicious ties to the kremlin. one thing i will take exception that i push back a little on this reporting, is they describe it as signaling or explaining this state of alarm inside the fbi, which i disrespectfully disagree with. this is investigation 101. inform informants, undercover agents, investigative tools, they take you places that fbi agents can't go. they can't announce themselves and start asking questions. the president is going to call this spying. this notion that the obama administration was directing this is pure politics. this is investigation 101. if the fbi is trying to investigate a string of bank robbers or a terrorist group, or a campaign, this is the tool you would use. >> the trump team is claiming this is calling this spying. you say that is not accurate. why do you say that? >> the problem with the term spying, as attorney general bar

george papadopoulos, what are you doing with the russians.s is simple >> the attorney general of the united states sees it in a different category. here's what he said to congress in april. >> i think there was spying that did occur, yes. i think spying did occur. >> let me -- >> the question is whether it was adequately predicated. i'm not suggesting it wasn't adequately predicated, but i would need to explore that. i think it is my obligation. >> was surveillance on george papadopoulos adequately predicated? >> boy, i think this is going to go ugly early. any time you investigate a complicated case like this you look at the volume of information files, et cetera that the mueller team acquired. that's a lot of court orders, interviews by witnesses who may be intimidated, a lot of informants. when you have the inspector general look in this case at a very unique in some ways investigation, the likelihood in the next, say, 30 to 60 days, the inspector general of the fbi or the department of justice doesn't come out with a report saying there i

george papadopoulos is telling fox news the young female in form and try to seduce them. you're watching speech 25, and harris faulkner. melissa francis, fox news contributor jessica tarlov, fox news contributor rachel campos-duffy, and in the center seat, fox news chief national correspond, ed henry. >> ed: good to see you. dana perino got me this time pocket square. from a company called ring neck. she said, "i want you to have it." i decided to debut it now. very sweet of her. >> harris: we are giving each other things. a lot of love here at fox news. [laughter] i want the people to feel it. welcome. "the new york times" is reporting the fbi sent a woman to meet george papadopoulos at a london bar where she asked him if the term campaign was working with russia. he told tucker carlson last night how he felt. that it was some sort of set up from the get-go. >> i readily understood this wasn't a cambridge assistant, and she barely spoke english, she was very flirty and was trying to do two things. one, to extract information about my professional connections in the middl

does it make you wonder what country this is, that that could have happened to george papadopoulos? i'm sure george has many positive qualities. this focus on him reminds me of the focus of many people on the caravan to the run-up to the election.f everybody in the trump world bough that this was a horrible thing and nobody else did, which is why the congress flipped.mp let me tell you what donald trump said about yourel friend, which is that he is a proven liar. t this notion of spying -- >> tucker: i want to know what you think. >> i will tell you exactly what i think -- >> tucker: stefan halper has worked for the u.s. government, for the cia, as a contract by. he reached out to this kid who had no knowledge of him at all. >> listening to corey lewandowski, the campaign chair. >> tucker: it's okay with you? that the obama administration would dispatch spiest on an american citizen, which is clearly what happened. is that all right? >> when five friendly countries report to our intelligence agencies that there are reports that they are getting -- they credit, that the russians are

how much of it was george papadopoulos and what else was there? the way i thought about it, it's not just like papadopoulos drops in out of nowhere. you have all the stuff going on in the summer before the papadopoulos information, you have all the information about what the russians are doing with the hacking and the dumping of e-mails. clearly intended to have an impact on our political system. then we get the papadopoulos information. you can think of it like an actor on a stage. george papadopoulos walks across the stage. we see the set in front of him, the backdrop. we see what he's saying to us or what we heard indirectly. >> how big of an actor on that stage was the steele dossier? >> to my recollection it comes later. after we have already started the investigation. yeah, it comes in later. we have to look at it. we felt an obligation to look at it. it's coming in from what we thought was a reliable source or a source that was reliable in the past. we had a duty to try to deal with it. we didn't swallow that thing hook, line and sinker. >>

three years old, it turns out that they were concerned about george papadopoulos, an unpaid foreign policyadopoulos thinks it's the cia he said that last night. john brennan or james comey's organizations who worked for president obama. they are concerned about papadopoulos' links to russia because of something ambassador downer reported to the fbi. ambassador downer is familiar with intelligence sources in america. so on september 15th, they called stephon halper tell george papadopoulos meet me in london i will give you 3,000 bucks. i need your energy knowledge your knowledge of natural gas. he says okay. he shows up. would you meet my assistant first in a bar and they meet and he goes wait a second barely speak english. you are asking me questions about the russians what the heck? next day halper has the same meeting, same tenure. they get nothing from him. next day listen to these james. joseph mifsud and the next name you will hear about ambassador downer. same ambassador that engineered the accumulation of $25 million for the clinton foundation back in 2006. steve: you've got to wond

in papadopoulos. >> the daily caller has done excellent work in this person in particular, george papadopoulosas written about her. the new york times doesn't like to use the word spying but reporting, some of the ways we have learned about how extensive spying has been. we learned last year, almost a year ago that there were national security letters, human informants, there was government operative, who she is, whether she works for the fbi or not, think bring on someone, george papadopoulos wrote about how he's flirtacious. >> bigger than xeart gate. >> in reverse. >> the question of spying is spying for political reasons or spying because the fbi had concerns. >> it is important that "the new york times" did not use spying and they did focus on the counterintelligence that it was president trump that chose to shape it in that way and all of a sudden the failing new york times is not failing so much because he's now extrapolating from that. >> this comes in the week of facebook banning several people including alex jones on the right, twitter also and the president has been complaining repe

george papadopoulos, thank you, george. good to see you tonight. >> thank you very much, martha.ou too, thank you. >> martha: coming up next, the 2020 candidates seeking a bit of a media do-over, trying to win back some of the momentum that has been gobbled up by joe biden. and they are doing it in some fascinating ways. that's coming up next. our political panel on that. also lara trump from the trump campaign weighs in from her side of the story. live in new york. >> i got buttigieg, i got beto. beto, beto is falling fast. what the hell happened? i don't know what the hell happened to biden? what happened to him? and bernie, you know, bernie is crazy. [laughter] the stats regarding my moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. like how humira has been prescribed to over 300,000 patients. and how many patients saw clear or almost clear skin in just 4 months - the kind of clearance that can last. humira targets and blocks a specific source of inflammation that contributes to symptoms. numbers are great. and seeing clearer skin is pretty awesome, too. that's what i call a body of proof.

flirting with george papadopoulos. they not only spied on carter page, the door into all things trump. trump campaign, and transition, trump presidency. correct? >> correct. doesn't understand how a fisa warrant works and why we need to monitor a fit once you get access to this, you get access to phone records, able to insert people like informants posing and also people, agents that might pretend they are a turkish college assistant, as in the case of george papadopoulos, to extract or trick you into giving up information. it's a very powerful tool. listen, fighting spies, capturing terrorists, is hard work. we don't want to take that from the fbi. but in this case, we now know the evidence that was used was highly flawed. it is not a normal counterintelligence investigation. >> sean: james comey said recently he signed the first fisa application. he says no, the fbi doesn't spine. was signing the fisa application, was that spying? did the fbi approve the blonde bombshell and stuff and stefan halper? is that spying? >

george papadopoulos, thank you for that. >> it's incredible.nk you. >> tucker: it is a credible. facebook is one of the world's most powerful companies. now it's using its power to police what you would die and the rest of us say online. how should we respond to that? that's next. also we have no information about nearly a decade of donald trump's tax transcripts. if we are assessing that and we will have more for you after the break. ♪ ♪ go to vettix.org. ♪ >> tucker: this is a fox news alert. as we just told you, t >> tucker: this is a fox news alert. as we just told you "the new york times" released new information on a decade of the president's taxes. trace gallagher has been taking a close look at what they putk out there and joins us with an update on it. trace. >> we are scanning the article. it's important to note off the top the tax records do not include information or taxes at the center of the president's escalating battle with a congre. there are no allegations of crimes or financial misdeeds. instead, the records go back to the la

they sent informants to george papadopoulos, they spied on carter page, they wiretapped him under thembrella that trump colluded with russians and there was never any actual evidence of that and they started the investigation, don't you think that we should get to origins of who was it that said we are going to send informants and wiretap american citizens because we think trump colluded with the russians even though there was no evidence to support such a thing? >> no, i think that we've gone far enough on this, look, the fbi is around to investigate, by the way, the fbi has aabused power since exception when hoover, they were spying on martin luther king, calling americans communists who didn't agree with the country. however, their job is to investigate potential crimes, the reality is here -- maria: okay to wiretap american citizen. >> we will get nothing done if we continue to focus on these investigations, on those against trump, those for trump, those democrats and those republicans, at the end of the day the country has things to focused on. maria: you're right. >> a lot of am

about transcripts, specific transcripts from the fbi top surveillance of the trump campaign, george papadopoulos and george carter at the height of the 2016 election. papadopoulos will be here in a moment to preview this major development. he used exculpatory language and we have the tapes and transcripts. and according to the sources this is groundbreaking information fwild copious amounts of exculpatory evidence. obama's d.o.j., comey's fbi had mountains of information proving that trump-russia collusion was always a hoax. they knew on it five different levels. massive red flags were limitered all over the place. but instead of putting the breaks on the witch hunt they kept digging and digging and digging blinded by rage and hatred, desperate to take down the president, donald trump, they never understood why he won. they didn't think of it. by the way, their guiding light the entire time, hillary clinton's russian bought and paid for unverifiable dirty dossier full of lies. a clear example of what is premeditated fraud, conspiracy, against trump, members of his campaign, and guess what, on fi

george papadopoulos and donald trump had him on that staff and chose to do that.y ran the investigation based on what they saw the beginning. we thought over 108 pages of the mueller report, had nothing to do with the steel dossier despite all the claims about that. it had to do with basic standard fbi surveillance and investigative techniques when they saw what was going on. shannon: the fbi talking to the new york times, even if they were comfortable with everything they do they are talking about information like maybe there were people we sent in to talk to people, tried to pull some information and embed themselves in to these conversations so even though we haven't heard of that until now they are trying to get ahead of these investigations. >> sure and i would almost say that is standard. you will see that regardless of ideological affiliation or whatever parties in power there is always going to be a preemptive attempt to spin things but what did you see from those leaks? they had the initial part of george papadopoulos talking and they sent in someone to g

george papadopoulos's response to the new york times story that it was the cia intel operation, withurkish intel and it wasn't fbi, we don't have all the answers. >> the fbi did brief trump directly before the election and he publicly denied anything about russia's involvement in the pop lost -- the papadopoulos tip came in later. shannon: there are contentious things about what triggered this. you want to address that? >> they talked about the defensive briefing in the house intelligence committee's report. in march 2016 attorney general lynch, director comey and deputy director mccabe talked about doing a defensive brief to the campaign where you going until the campaign you have a problem with russia. the briefing josh is talking about is the standard briefing they give to the candidates, that happened in august. that is not what we are talking about. the defensive briefing they could have done at the beginning of this investigation. shannon: we are going to leave it there. will you will dig it up and let viewers decide but we will try to get information on the timeline as well. t

sasebo, china said they had all these legitimate concerns about george papadopoulos. it has what we are going to fight source that papadopoulos might've been talking to russians. there was western intelligence set to spy on papadopoulos and there's a recording and transcript of the conversation. papadopoulos denies any illegal conspiracy between the trump campaign and russia. they had evidence presumably that was against papadopoulos and for him. what they will ever be able to defend is that they never presented that evidence to the fisa court. >> sean: they were warned by bruce ohr, august 2016. they were warned by this woman at the state department ten days prior to the signing of the first fisa application. now we know on this whole new level you're describing, though they are withholding exculpatory information from the fisa court despite on an opposition party campaign? >> absolutely. this is what attorney general barr means when he talks about them putting their thumb on the scale. the government has no obligation before a secret court with no defense attorney to

kellyanne conway, george papadopoulos, ed rendell. first, america for whom? that's the focus of tonight's angle. if you somehow thought that donald twrump would shy away from trackling big issues after republicans lost the house last november, you would be wrong. from china trade to fruk and now immigration he's shown fans that he's not just marking time, he's pursuing what he believes will make america great american. lifting up the american worker, the american family, and the american tradition. >> president trump: our proposal is pro american, pro immigrant, and pro worker. it's just common sense. it will help all of our people, including millions of devoted immigrants to achieve the american dream. >> laura: his plan would basically end the current legal immigration dynamic under which 1.1 million people are given green cards to live and work in the united states, they don't reduce the number but the frame work changes. 66% of all legal immigrants can come through chain migration. sometimes they will describe it as distant family migration. now, all of t

investigation, sent in to work with this informant, stephan helper, and target the campaign aide, george papadopoulos, so you can see these coming together. >> shannon: you also talk to him about the man who is the front runner for the democrats, questions about ukraine. >> it's a complicated story with the former vice president and the ukraine, but in a nutshell, the allegations are that he put pressure on the ukraine to get a prosecutor fired who was looking at a russian oligarch's business, where joe biden's son sat on the board, so there was a conflict of interest. but we began the section by asking first about the upcoming election and whether the president had asked vladimir putin to back off in 2020. >> president trump: i don't think i've spoken with him about the 2020, but i've certainly told him, you can't do what you are doing, and i don't believe they will be. i don't believe they will be. >> you been firm with the russian president? >> president trump: i think so. i think nobody has done more about russia than i have. president obama in september, before the november election, my november

working alongside a cambridge professor that met with george papadopoulos and carter page.t stefan harper since may. we knew about this. we knew that george papadopoulos bragged about information the russians had to the australians who told the americans who then looked into it to see if there was something untoward happening. we knew about harper. when trump seizes on this and says it is worse than watergate, a huge development that there's a woman working alongside harper, does that change the story or develop it now that there's an additional person working as an informant? >> erin, it really doesn't. it again confirms, reporting suggests and confirms in my mind that if accurate, this is yet another classic example of how the fbi does counter intelligence investigations. you're right, there's not a lot new from previously reported but all seems to be standard operating procedure for the fbi. >> attorney general bill barr confirmed something in his hearing which is the trump campaign received a briefing in august of 2016 about russian threats specifically. we know at cnn

it was the george papadopoulos information. it was the george papadopoulos. spent resources on it, but it was not the center piece of everything. >> you bring up george papadopoulos and that being the start and you had a few fbi informants, i believe you had somebody working for the fbi and also an informant in stephon. but this gentleman ended up in the white house for a white house meeting as an fbi informant. at some point, did you think, what have we -- that was alarming to me to read that an fbi informant was still sort of actively helping your investigation but also pretending to be a trump ally. do you see why -- under that circumstance perhaps why the president is so paranoid? >> i understand why people are concerned about the power of the fbi and some of the investigate techniques that we use. without confirming or denying the specifics. what were we trying to do? again, i'm saying it again, we were focused on what the russians were up to, what they were doing. we weren't trying to gather information about politics or protected first amendment activi

george papadopoulos, the response to "the new york times" story is that actually it was a cia intel operationrkish intel, and it wasn't fbi. we actually don't have all the answers about this. >> the fbi did brief trump directly before the election, and he publicly denied anything about russia's involvement. the papadopoulos tip came in before the dossier was in the fbi's hands. >> shannon: and he is saying no, because there are contentious things about exactly what triggered what and when the dossier versus papadopoulos. andy, looks like you want to address that. >> they were talking about doing a defensive briefing, in the house intelligence committee's report in march of 2016, attorney general lynch, director called me, and deputy director mccabe talked about doing a defensive briefing for the campaign, where you go in and tell the campaign, we think you have a problem with russia. the briefing that i think josh is talking about is the standard briefing that they give to the candidates, the two candidates for president. that happened in august, six months later. that is not what we are talk

they sent her to london to gather information from george papadopoulos. last night on tucker papadopoulos said she used sex appeal to try to get information from him but that he knew at the start that something was really weird about the whole thing. >> bill: let me play a little bit of this. as you describe this interview, this meeting in london. here is how he described it with tucker. >> she barely spoke english. very flirty and was trying to do two things. one to extract information about my professional connections in the middle east and two, to see if i had any information that she could potentially extract from me about trump and russia, which is nonsense. now, of course, "the new york times" reported that she was some sort of agent but i don't think she was f.b.i., i think she was c.i.a.. >> bill: the next leg in the story. >> it is true papadopoulos doesn't think she came from the f.b.i. but the c.i.a. the next leg is who else was involved here? were there any other spies involved here? attorney general barr dropped a pretty big hint at his hearin

this incident, the george papadopoulos information is what triggered us going down this path. it's against the backdrop of a dump of emails over the summer that were attributed by various entities to the russians in one way or another, and then -- and other things going on that summer and this thing lands in the middle of that. that's what then focuses us and triggers this course of investigation. >> frank it seems like we can never share enough original source information about the truth of the russia investigation. your thoughts about jim baker speaking out and what he had to say? >> i applaud him speaking out. again, the fbi is particularly in counterintelligence, is a culture of secrecy but this time in history calls for us to set the record straight and i think that's what baker is trying to do. in that regard, our attorney general is doing the opposite. he's put out this informationno looking into the predication of the russia investigation. well, get it out. the more he takes time the more the public will think there's something wrong with it. i predict we'll never come

george papadopoulos made early contact with a professor who had connections to russia. immediately upon his return to london he told papadopoulos that the russian government had dirt on hillary clinton in the form of thousands of e-mails. one week later in the first week of may 2016, papadopoulos suggested to a representative of a foreign government that the trump campaign had received indications from the russian government that it could assist the campaign through the anonymous release of information damaging to candidate clinton. throughout that period of time and for several months thereafter, papadopoulos worked with two russian nationals to arrange a meeting between the campaign and the russian government. no meeting took place. summer 2016. russian outreach to the trump campaign continued into the summer of 2016 as candidate trump was becoming the republican nominee for president. on june 9, 2016, for example, a russian lawyer met with senior trump campaign officials donald trump jr., jared kushner and campaign chairman paul manafort to deliver what the e-mail had

pled guilty to lying about russian contacts. >> ...former trump aide george papadopoulos has pleadeduilty to making false statements . >> narrator: trump's campaign chairman, paul manafort, and his deputy, rick gates, were indicted on numerous charges ranging from conspiracy to money laundering. >> ...manafort and his former business associate rick gates were told to surrender to federal authorities this morning. >> narrator: michael flynn pled guilty to that charge of lying t tohe fbi. >> white house national curity adviser michael flynn has pleaded guilty to lying... >> narrator: and then the fbi dramatically escalated the showdown. >> breaking news tonight, and it's a bombshell. the fbi raids the office of president trump's personal lawyer, michael cohen. >> narrator: the president, as he watched the raid on television, was furious. >> trump erupted-- he was very upset. he was consumed by this news all day. uh, it was very troubling for him and scary for him. >> ...fbi raiding his office, his home, and a hotel room...dv >> white houseers are saying, "can we turn off the television

you can, just walk us through the new details about what steps the fbi took to investigate george papadopouloser mr. papadopoulos got this offer of cooperation from the russians, in a sense, the fbi set about trying to figure out what he knew, and they wanted to do it secretly. so they arranged a meeting in london with an informant, a professor named stefan helper, and woman named ezra turk, who was a government investigator that the fbi had sent to london to work with the informant. and together they worked george to figure out what he might know or might not know. and they met with him separately and together and ultimately the operation in london was not a success. >> is it clear why the fbi made this decision to send this particular investigator to london? >> this person would play the role of stefan helper's research assistant. and i thought the fbi believed she would -- she would make a good fit. i think -- i think part of the rationale was also to have an american investigator there who could provide some oversight and make sure this operation stayed on the rails. >> was she an fbi agen

fbi sent an undercover agent to london under the alias azra tucker to get information out of george papadopoulosave learned other things that the government was doing on a secret basis why heard from trey gowdy there were probably transcripts of conversations with george papadopoulos that gowdy vets exculpatory. we are learning in dribs and drabs something we need to have a bigger picture on that's what the president and attorney general are trying to get at. martha it's clear there are some mostly former employees of these agencies who are going to be concerned about what might come out. today there was a "new york times" story late today that suggested there was this operative close to putin whose cover cannot be blown and that is one of the reasons to make sure that there is a lid on this that sources and methods are not disclosed in this declassification process, byron. >> if you remember when the nunes memo was released in 2018 and showed us that the fbi had used the dossier to get a wiretap warrant on carter page, i mean, there were people before the release of that who predicted basically