thank you. >> rose: thank you, george pelecanos. pleasure to have you.ou, david. >> happy t to be back. "the deuce" airs sunday nights 9:00 p.m. on hbo. we'll be right back. stay with us. >> economic nationalism is what the country was build on goavment back to that, look after our own, our citizens, our manufacturing base and this country will be greater and more united and powerful than it's ever been. that's not astrophysics. that's every nationality, race, preference. as long as you're an american citizen, you're part of the populist, economic nationalist movement and by the way that's 65%, 70% of the country and we'll question that. that's where the smart guys in the democratic party understand it. tim ryan get this, this folks around schumer get this, they're trying to get the identity politics out. the only question is left or right wing populism. >> rose: you said that. and that is the question to be answered in 2020. >> rose: for more about this program and earlier episodes visit us online at pbs.org and charlierose.com. captioning sponsored by

this is really exciting, david simon, george pelecanos are the co-cor this is a really exciting showyou were a kid. >> not in '71. >> seth: okay, not in '71. >> no. >> seth: but you were here back when it was a little dirtier than now. >> i was. >> seth: what were your memories of 42nd and 2nd and that sort of times square area? >> well, i came here to go to college. i went to columbia in '95. i mean, times square, by then, was already kind of like the way it is now, wasn't it? >> seth: yeah, but i feel like i -- the first time i came to new york was '95 and i still feel like it was almost now with like four porno shops left. [ laughter ] >> yeah, that's true. that's true. >> seth: which was really jarring. >> yeah. yeah. that's true, the combination. >> seth: 'cause you're like, "am i gonna get a coffee or go into a weird booth for an hour." >> that's true, that's true. i remember, actually, this is more about way over on the west side in the west village. there was a -- there was, i think a porn shop called "harmony." >> seth: oh, that's lovely. [ light laughter ] >> i thought it w

and it's david simon and george pelecanos who, you know, did "the wire."t the rise of the porn industry. >> jimmy: yeah, i want to show a clip. right now you're a bartender, and you're also a -- a a degenerate gambler. >> there you go. >> jimmy: here we go. here's james franco and james franco. [ laughter ] i've got to be honest, i don't even care for james franco, but james franco i love. [ laughter ] he's like, my absolute favorite. so here is james franco >> james franco agrees. >> jimmy: james franco in "the deuce." take a look at this. >> boo! [ bleep ] hey! ellen! how 'bout a ginger ale. put a little crown royale in it. you know, cola? hey, baby brother. working stiff. >> where the [ bleep ] you been? >> queens. >> what the [ bleep ] going in queens? >> well, they still take my bets there. >> you still betting? >> winning. i'm up 4,000. >> [ bleep ] >> let me see. >> [ bleep ] >> what the [ bleep ] is going to that unhappy [ bleep ] sitting down at that barstool a a couple hours looking for you. >> you gonna owe me for 30 large. >> who, tommy rondo?

>> ♪ charlie: joining me now are the creators and executive producers, david simon and george pelecanose star maggie gyllenhaal. , james franco will join us in later in progress, we hope. [laughter] i am pleased to have all of them here at the table. where did this idea come from? >> we back into it. george and i were working on the show "treme," in new orleans. a guy on the crew had been researching this time in new york and had made contact with a guy who was a mob front on 42nd street, a barman who ran nightclubs and became involved in the massage parlors and other stuff including early pornographic film. as soon as we heard it, we were like, this sounds gratuitous, i am not sure i want to get involved. but mark was persistent and asked us to meet with the fellow. we did. after about three hours, george and i walked out of that meeting . we pretended to go smoke a cigarette even though neither one of us smoked. we looked at each other and said , my god, we are going to end up doing a show about the rise of pornography. charlie: is that how you saw it? >> yeah, the characters were so