most recent book adam and eve after the pill revisited was written by cardinal -- stomach cardinal george pell of australia was a great intellectual and spiritual leader and i will not pretend that i knew him well. but he was kind enough to take an interest in some of my riding. we had corresponded about some of the scenes in my book. for example one thing that caught his eye with a minute patient that i wrote about the theme of chaos. in 1930 when the great novelist converted to catholicism he who was asked by newspaper why he did that. he just throughout this line and he said because in our civilization now the choice is between christianity and chaos. now the chaos of his time was very different. in the 1930s he entered the war period and there was political chaos and carnage of the 20th century and world war ii. the chaos in our time was very different and yet weff are seeig it in more detail than what was specified so i wrote an essay about that outlying intellectual chaos, chaos within the idea itself and cardinal george powell because of that essay and they offered to ride a forward for

first you have the resolution to ex pell george santos and then seen sure marjorie taylor greene andda tlaib. johnson is also staring down a potential government shutdown next month. he needs to figure out a way to fund the government. certainly as they approach week number one in this new job, kate, he certainly will be -- people will be watching him as he navigates these big ticket items and also these side thorny issues that his house conference are dealing with. kate? >> considering how long it took them to get house speaker, they were already sucking up some of this time and they're seeing it already starting this week. good to see you. thank you. >>> this morning new polling data out of iowa shows donald trump holding this commanding lead, despite legal troubles. a new des moines register nbc news poll shows trump 27 points ahead -- 27 points ahead of his closest competitors. nikki haley has gone up, she is now basically in a tie with ron desantis for second place. with me now cnn's senior political commentator and author of the new book "renegade: defending democracy and liber

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