that was very strong on the left in the '40s, '50s, up to vietnam which was rhine -- [inaudible] i think we can include george cannon, and i think that tradition withered within democratic culture, democratic party culture. you still have les gelb, maybe a michael mandelbaum. but i believe i read somewhere that obama, maybe because of the chicago connection nieber was there, that he's read nieber's writings. and you mentioned him in passing where he was given some writings of nieber for that west point -- >> no, this was for the speech on the nobel peace prize. >> oh, the nobel peace prize. >> yeah. >> but do you know more about whether you could call obama sometimes in a liberal, realist mode and then he moves away from it depending on circumstances? >> i think that's fair. um, i think, you know, he's fundamentally day in and day out a liberal realist, but when faced with issues, um, like the arab spring, he begins to moderate himself. i need -- thanks. >> hi. um, my question is sort of on the much-talked-about pivot to asia which could also be sort of -- sort of agreed the pivot to asia is a pivot away from