one who is tyler scholz which was george scholz's grandson. yler scholz had worked there eight months and had come to the conviction that it was a fraud and a scam during his eight months. during the tail end of that we tried to open his eyes to what was going on. so we had to leave and keep it all bottled up for a year. when i started poking around and calling his ex- colleagues, he heard the journal was poking around and he the look me up on linkedin. and then alan had told me about tyler is said that connection was interesting. as you know it enables you to see who's checking you out. so then i sent him and in mail through linkedin and do not hear back from a month. is making headway with this story in other ways when i had lost hope he had got back to me, my phone rings one afternoon and it's tyler also terrified and very nervous calling from a burner phone. he was worried that it would trace our communications once idea, he gradually got comfortable and his story came pouring forth that added and on believable twist to this story. >> so th

george scholz, labor secretary, he is raising his hand and saying, you are not thinking at all about the international economy. he says all of these things over and over again. now he is a very arctic pro free trader he wants to see national -- international investment around the world. they are not thinking about it. i am stealing this from daniel sergeant new book. the idea that elites are sitting around the table and they all have their eye on the exact price and they are really conscious of what will be happening five or 10 years later, this is a great example, scholz really does see it. he sees the trajectory. the boss does not. they are somewhere else. i was thought that was a great example of trade had become conventional lies. a lot of people were not thinking terribly hard about it at critical juncture points. that struck me as the ways in which liberal internationalist perspective which was forged in this particular time gets on a glide path. it is hard to disrupt a whole series of agreements and understanding and conventional ways of approaching the problem. he side. >> qu