finally, i should talk a little bit about george schultz and jim henson. george as hash mentioned -- has been mentioned left the labor department to go to o.m.b. before he did that his prestige was so high in that administration that the labor department was a favored son or daughter in the domestic side. and george was given such responsibility that he was actually put in charge of the oil import task force which was dealing with the import -- concerns about the import of oil into the united states. as labor secretary, of course, he had no special expertise about that at all. but his judgment and wisdom was so trusted. what is not sufficiently appreciated is original undersecretary who became secretary, jim hodson, was an enormously capable man, too. and jim did a wonderful job. i had the pleasure of serving as his undersuck tear. -- his undersecretary. unfortunately, he attacked george meanie. which destroyed his effectiveness. because george meanie responded, i don't pay attention to the janitor as long as i can talk to the owner of the building. which w

now you've got george schultz, william perry, henry kissinger calling basically for american unilateral nuclear disarmment. that's something my father talked about in the 820s. u but i think he was very active. he liked to have influence. and as long as he had his voice heard, then that was enough. >> you live where today? >> i live in washington, d.c. >> are you married? >> yes. >> children? >> yes. >> are they interested in this? >> in what? >> this kind of information on their grandfather. >> i think so. i have one child, he's just recently commissioned as an officer in the marine corps. >> so where do you want folks to get out of this? >> i would like people to understand that what sacrifice is being done for their sake by people like bill control by. there are thousands of women and men in c.i.a. and special operations command who are the bill control bies of today and tonight they're lifting off out of an air base in pakistan or yemen and do we support them? is the american -- are the american people behind them and is this president selling the secret war to the american public?

we were out at the reagan library for ronald reagan's 100th birthday and we had lunch with george schultze who said how often you have to get hit over the head by a 2 x 4 to figure out you need to have a national energy policy. so my vision is that we should have a policy of developing so much american energy that we're not just energy independent but we actually have a surplus to be reserve for the rest of the world in case the middle east disintegrates. [ applause ] part of that involves oil and gas offshore, part of it is coal and nuclear, part of it is wind and solar. iowa is the second largest wind electricity producer in the world after denmark and part of it is biofuels. some of you are old enough, you'll remember in 1984 i voted for something called gasgasohol. it then became known as ethanol and we renewed it. big oil tried to kill it and chuck grassley said i was the one person that saved ethanol from big oil. why do i believe in ethanol? pretty simple. if i have to choose between the next billion dollars going to saudi arabia or south dakota, i pick south dakota. if i have to pi

his nuclear freeze feelings back in the 1980's, now you have george schultz, william perry, henry kissinger calling for american unilateral nuclear disarmament. that is something my father talked about in the 1980's. he was very active. he looked to have influence. as long as he could have his voice heard that was enough. host: you live where today? guest: i live in washington, d.c. host: are you married? guest: yes. host: children? guest: yes. host: are they interested in this guest: interested in what? host: this kind of information on their grand father? guest: i think so. i have one child and he is just recently commissioned as an officer in the marine corps. host: what do you want folks to get out of this? guest: i would like people to under what sacrifice is being done for their sakes by peoplelike bill colby. there are thousands of women and men in c.i.a. and special operations command who are the bill colbies of today and tonight they are lift willing off out of an air base and do we support them? people behind them and is this president selling the secret war to the american public

you have bill clinton in that meeting, leon panetta, george schultz, newt gingrich.hings is all i can say. >> you're going to kill me. you can't talk about it, it's top secret. >> it was something to be intended to be within the group. i kept quiet within the group. that was a hell of a group of people in terms of their ability to sit down and do things. >> when you came out of the meeting, whatever the topic was, had you accomplished something. >> it's not impossible. there isn't anything that i do in my business career where i get 100% of what i would like. in fact, i don't get in any part of my life, i might say. but you've got to find some way to find common ground. that is not an impossible art. it happens all the time in the business world. it happens in much of the political world. it just is not happening now. there are reasons for it. part of the reason is the way the house districts get gerrymandered in a sense that they're partisan. part of the way the lobbyist, the role that they play. frankly, the media particularly television media has become a more pol

providing leadership to all nti programs she supports the secretary for the nuclear project for george schultz and william perry and henry kissinger and former senator sam nunn in their effort to galvanize urgent nuclear dangers. joan? [applause] >> thank you, connie. i'm delighted to be here today to represent the nuclear threat initiative and to congratulate our ceo and co-chairman, sam nunn and our board member senator lugar on the 20th anniversary of the nunn-lugar program. 20 years ago, senators nunn and lugar showed tremendous foresight and statesmanship in recognizing and working to prevent a potentially catastrophic threat by proposing a joint u.s.-russian effort to help moscow and the states of the former soviet union keep control of their weapons, materials and know-how. 10 years ago, senator nunn, having left the senate, and entrepreneur ted turner founded the nuclear threat initiative with a mission very complementary to the nunn-lugar program. nti is a nonprofit nonpartisan organization working to strengthen global security by reducing the risk of use and preventing the spread of

i mean, even just -- [inaudible] >> energy always -- some persistence -- and george schultz is famousor saying it's amazing what you can learn as long as you start paying attention and i don't think the military is really starting to pay attention. >> i agree. we are doing some pilots in terms of giving people exactly that information and doing some shadow billing on that. and that's going to make a difference. we're doing more in the way of rewards and recognition. just kind of letting people see who's making the biggest changes in their energy use and making a big deal about that. we have very, very, i think, effective programs there. we've actually started -- we've started a mattress program at the naval post-graduate program at the naval academy. two tracks, one in policy and one in operational so again we're trying all ways we can think of to get the word out there. >> 'cause when you said earlier the navy is going to consider energy in weapons designs, i thought that wasn't considered before? cheap oil was just -- was not sort of -- >> some of these new weapons are incredibly en

sort george schultze and henry and i came to the conclusion that we had to lay out that vision and say we are serious about it. and that we will work to altman be read the country and the world of nuclear weapons. it will not be easy. everybody knows the number of steps. i will probably not be alive when it happens. that is the top of the not. we have to get a base camp. we are not even at base campe -- we need to get to the top of the mountain. children willmy get to the top of the month. we are in their raa race. >> without the cover often your who could never have been accused of being soft of defense, a lot of this could never have happened. >> four leaders have taken the model that and written op- eds. the real breakthrough came when the president obama led the u.n. security council to endorse the steps. >> he certainly embraced it. >> this profile in courage to my right had to fight for new s.t.a.r.t.. you stood up against many of your own priority. arty. talk about how you envision the climate for non-proliferation treaties. were you more optimistic that new s.t.a.r.t. has passe

i guess i said in a column once why is it that george shultz, former secretary of state with a ph.d is was referred to as mr. schultz, and hendrick kissinger, former secretary of state with a ph.d is always called dr. kissinger? and the one thing i can figure is maybe decent you had a podiatry practice on the side. [laughter] >> but the dinner party has not happened. i tell you who i hear from is animal people. and the animal people i don't mean people who were thrown clear of a plane wreck in africa and raised by a bunch of iran to thank the many people with special concern for animals. i mentioned once in a column that corgis appear to be a breed of dog that seemed to be assembled from parts from other breeds of dogs. [laughter] not the parts that those dogs are all that sorry about giving up either. [laughter] you may be surprised how many corgi owners there are in the united states, with computers and things. typewriters. anyway, i hear from the animal people. i wasn't one of the people who said that dan quayle has a stare like deer in headlights. some people say but i suspect the people who did write that got m