stanford contingent and you've got some, i regard, genuine villains, including people i revered -- george schultzhis story! david boies, the attorney, is a villain in this story! i have to tell you, general mattis is a villain in this story! >> well, these are people -- two of them, mattis and schultz, were on the board of theranos. and i agree with you, they don't come off looking good in the story. i don't think they realized that theranos was doing most of the blood tests on these hacked commercial machines. in fact, i've seen documentation recently from the s.e.c. inquiry that pretty much shows they had no idea. and so, she was lying to her board as well. >> okay. >> i believe even david boies, whose associates certainly don't come off looking good in the book after what they did with tyler schultz, george schultz's grandson, who they ambushed at one point in his own grandfather's house -- even david boies i don't think knew that out of 250 blood tests on the menu, you had more than 240 that were being done on hacked commercial analyzers. >> okay, well, that's -- we're going to give them that

their reading back to you what was written about them so it has to be , you have to persevere and george schultz was secretary of state, and he was richard nixon's economic advisor and secretary of labor and when i interviewed him he was doing the same thing. he was giving me nixon was a nice guy, he let his cabinet officials use that on the weekends and you were going through all the stories and finally i said okay, but he tried to get you involved in watergate, going through the irs and blackmailing people and he finally got frustrated and he said richard nixon was like that:.what problem? he said the one we learned in first grade. there was a little girl who had a little girl. and when she was good she was very very good. and when she was bad, she was pouring. >> those are the moments that your lips work. >>. >> that's actually, i want you to start thinking about your questions right now. i would like to ask others for a snippet of one of those kind of stories that you uncovered. jonathan ? >> there's so many and as you pointed out, we had to tell the stories over and over and embellish them

i am talking about george schultz and leonard garman and had those voices tell the story of the crimes and abuse of power and the strength and weaknesses of the president. not some carpetbagger. i was very fearful to be the carpetbagger. i was from the north and you can't be a carpetbagger but you know what i mean. the tapes themselves would be the dna. i wish i had a good story to tell you. i have a very good story to tell you. i think about the national effect and i am proud to say that the watergate exhibit is still there and is considered a permanent feature. i don't think we convinced the local community. i think they actually thought of it as fake news. my first experience of encountering people whose minds were closed. at one point they came to me and said we understand that when the president says things about jews , you created it did new? i was somehow creating this data and the family worked hard to prevent the oral histories from being shown because they did not want people to hear the voices. i think one of the things that is important to say is we should do what is right

i'm talking about george schultz. and leonard garmint. and have those voices tell the story of the crimes, the abuse of power, the strengths and weaknesses of the president. let them, not some carpetbagger -- i was very fearful of being the carpetbagger from the north. i know i was virginia, that's sort of weird, you can't an carpet bagger from -- you know what i mean. and that the tapes themselves would be the dna. i wish i had a good story to tell you. i have a very good story to tell you about -- i think about the national effect, and i'm very proud to say, and i was just talking to sharon faucet, who was my boss through most of the process, the watergate exhibit is still there and considered a permanent feature. but i don't think we convinced the local community. i think they actually thought of it as fake news. it was my first experience of encountering people whose minds were closed. at one point they came to me and said, we understand that when the president says things about jews, you've made this up in washington, you created it,

has taken over and he and kissinger are trying to rethink critical issues around the world and george schultz, labor secretary keeps raising his hand. and saying to them, you guys aren't thinking at all about the international economy. and he says, all of these prescient things over and over again. and now he is, he is a very ardent pro free trader. he wants to see massive international economic investment by americans around the world. but they're not thinking about it is my point and i'm stealing this from daniel sergeant's cool new book. the idea that elites are sitting around the table and they've got their eye on the exact prize and they're conscious of what's going to be happening five and ten years later. this is a great example that there's schultz, an elite a manager as you can get, he sees the trajectory. but the bosses don't. their eyes are somewhere else. and i always thought that was such a great example. trade had become kind of conventionalized. a lot of people weren't thinking very hard about it. at critical juncture points that struck me again as the ways in which a liberal i

george schultz, labor secretary, keeps raising his hand and saying to them you guys are not thinkingt all about the international economy. he says all of these pressing things over and over again. now, he is a very ardent pro- free trader. he wants to see massive international economic investments americans around the world. they are not thinking about it, is my point. i am stealing this from daniel sergeants really cool new book. so, i get the idea that elites are sitting around the table, and they have all got their eye on the exact price, they are really conscious of what is going to be happening five and 10 years later, this is a great example, where scholz really does see it. the bosses don't. i always thought that was such a great example. trade had become kind of conventional lysed. a lot of people weren't thinking terribly hard about it at a critical juncture points. that struck me as again the ways in which a liberal internationalist perspective, which was forged in a very particular time just kind of gets on a glide path. it is hard to disrupt a whole series of agreements a

you work them almost like george schultz used to use gardening metaphors.ttle bit of weeding here and a little bit of pruning there. you don't solve the north korea problem. you put it in a box you can live with. over time maybe other forces will weaken the regime or change the dynamics which is something different than this president is prepared to do. >> tom friedman? tom respond. >> i totally agree. i think that will be absolutely the dilemma, what richard said, that trump always promises you bigger, better, more i got something nobody has got. i just don't see that happening with north korea. i also believe and this was referred to earlier in the show that for china, joe, the north korea negotiation, the trade negotiation, they are just one big power negotiation with the united states about shaping, you know, the future, 22 -- 21st century. the chinese won't let them do a significant deal with trump which will press china harder on trade. trade wars aren't easy to win and decnuclearization of north korea is not easy to do. >> john meacham, we seen with

i'm talking about chuck holson, i'm talking about john dean, i'm talking about george schultz and leonardment and have those choic voices tell about the crimes, abuse of power, let them, not some carpet bagger -- i was fearful of being the carpet bagger from the north. the tapes themselves would be the dna. i wish i had a good story to tell you. i have a very good story to tell you about the national effect, and i'm very proud to say, and i was just trying to talking to sharon, who was my boss for most of this process, that the watergate is exhibit is still there and now considered a permanent feature. but i don't think we convinced the local community. i think they actually thought of it as fake news. it was my first experience of encountering people whose minds were closed. at one point they came to me and said, we understand that when the president says things about jews, you've made this up in washington. you created it, tim, didn't you? that i was somehow creating this data. and the family worked very hard from preventing those oral histories from being shown because they did not wan

george schultz was. crafted the reagan administration's foreign policy, is credited by many with winning the cold war. in his 90s now but remains a revered figure, in republican circles, and he lives right off the stanford campus. has always been very passionate about science. and when he met elizabeth holmes, he was really impressed with what she told the him about her technology. and he soon thereafter joined her board and then introduced her to his buddies at the hoover institution, the think tank on the stanford campus, is and that's how she got to meet henry kissinger and bill perry, former secretary of defense urn bill clinton -- sam nunn, bill frist and only former military commanders like admiral roughead, they all eventually join joined the board. so by time 2013-2014 came around. she had this unbelievable board of ex-statesmen and retired military commanders who had incredible resumÉs. >> and general mattis. >> general mattis. our current secretary of defense, yep. >> but there's something inte