and the grandson of george schultz, a board member at theranos. >> you also said ms.olmes was manipulative. what do you mean by that? >> she was really good at telling you what you need to hear to keep you going. she definitely did that with my grandfather. she would feed him things that were completely factually not true. >> people can come in and do full-service laboratory testing with a stick from a finger, as opposed to having the tubes and tubes taken fromour can you rec factually not true things that ms. holmes told you? >> the big ones are being able to run hundreds of blood tests from a single drop of blood. my grandfather would go get a theranos test done, and he would have a needle in his arm, you know, well, i thought this was a single drop of blood, and there would be some excuse about why they needed to take a venus draw for him, but foreeveryone el ev it's a finger prick. they weren't even running the test on the devices. while i was working there, we only ran seven tests on the theranos devices. most of the tests were being run on third-party machines.

james baker and george schultz recently unveiled a climate plan that calls for taxes carbon emissions and returning the revenue as a dividend to americans. could this be the year that congress enacts a carbon tax? is it a good idea. let's ask mark mill, a senior fellow at the manhattan institute and a partner in an energy tech venture fund. mr. mills, good to have you here. you wrote for the wall street journal this week a piece that did not really support a carbon tax. i want to ask you for regular viewers out there, when people talk about a carbon tax, what do they mean? >> that's actually the critical question, isn't it? everything in our society, everything, directly or indirectly uses hydrocarbon, oil, coal or natural gas. paul: right. >> taxing the carbon means that you're taxing for the first time i think in american history everything. so it levies a tax on all activities, all manufacturing, all processes, everything uses energy and all of our energy is directly or indirectly linked to hydrocarbons. 85% directly and the other 15%, making windmills, making solar arrays, you use

schultz. he says he's considering a run. i want to go back to tom llamas with the latest. good morning, tom. >> reporter: good morning, georgeou definitely know the empire he created. the man behind starbucks is thinking about running for president. he says if he runs, he'll run as an independent. this has some democrats livid. they say he could pull votes from the eventual democratic nominee, thus helping the president. schultz says both parties are compromised, including when it comes to the national debt and who's to blame. >> not the only fact that this president is not qualified to be the president but the fact that both parties are consistently not doing what's necessary on behalf of the american people and are engaged every single day in revenge politics. >> reporter: now, schultz believes americans want a third party candidate and will make a decision in the coming months as he tours the country promoting a new book. though starbucks has gotten political in the past, he says they will have no connection to his political run. guys, back to you. >> all right, tom. >>> and this morning, we are remembering steve bell. a

george bush. >> she said that after schultz promised his possible run as an independent would not help reelect donald anderson cooper this. >> there are millions of life long republicans who are not interested in re-electing donald trump but are not going to vote for a left leaning progressive democratic nominee. what i really want to do is provide a better choice. >> joining us now former campaign manager for hillary clinton. i totally under sold you. conservative blogger. you are gnat and so much else. i will start with you. here is my read having just interviewed schultz this week for an hour and having covered him for a decade and asked him if he is going to run for president. i think he runs if he sees a path. i am not convinced that he runs if it is a mayor bloomberg or joe biden that gets in the race and looks like they would have the nomination. >> i think you are not far off there. if there is a gap in the market and often our two party system leaves a gap in the market, unfortunately that independent candidate often can't make much difference other than being the spoiler. there is a lot of

george w. bush. connell: would you tell schultz to run? if he wants to run, run? is the ultimate first amendment use. petition, assembly, free speech. i will never say anyone, don't run. you can oppose them or support them but everyone has a right in america to run for election. his strategy is to create a huge center, peeling off from the republican and democrat. he has polls showing that as well as the real independents that are turned off. connell: it will be interesting if he takes from both sides. we'll see if that actually happens. you're right. we should wait for data on this before we jump to every single conclusion. >> the democrats already have jumped to conclusions. connell: i know. >> they are going to go after him. connell: big-time. >> big-time. he's going to get an idea of what the fangs are of the two party duopoly who think they own all the voters in america. connell: you're right. they have done it already. just real quick, we had you on already today. we wanted to get your thoughts on the new congress. i know you had this proposal for ten congre

he gave us the george bush presidency and we got the iraq war and we're still dealing with horrendous consequences of that. so when i see howard schultzout splitting the democratic vote and allowing donald trump to be reelected, i can't tell you how disturbing that is to me and disappointing and i know i'm not alone. i'm not alone. >> i've been listening to 24 hours today. it is a loud cry. by the way you sound like me talking about this in the iraq war. we got in it because we got the wrong presidents. when are you going to makeup your mind about running fors? >> in the next few weeks. >> weeks? >> we need a president who will make climate change a priority and a foremost issue in the country and i believe that is because we're the first generation to feel the sting of climate change but we're the last generation that can do something about it and we know this is a time of great peril but it's also a time of great promise of economic growth and i think we need one to aspouse that. i may be carrying that banner. >> what's that mountain behind me? >> not sure but it could be mt. ray near. ranier. you aught to climb it one day. it's a g

schultz for being a billionaire and saying that he needs to get in line. it's funny how the left likes billionaires when it's convenient, like donations to their campaign, georgeoros funding all of these advocacy groups. when it comes to their success in the dream and building comes up from the bottom as howard schultz did, grew up in brooklyn housing project and made his way to starbucks. >> dana: get in line is what democrat said about alexandria ocasio-cortez. she did handily beat the congressman who didn't show up to his own debate. >> greg: bloomberg was a pretty good mayor, writes? >> dana: compared to now, yeah yeah. >> greg: are rock that you found at the bottom of a toilet." >> dana: people are hiring private security to protect themselves on the upper west side. come on. >> jesse: is that what your pilates teacher told you. >> dana: no, but he told me something else. >> greg: do you think somebody like him is going to make any headway? >> dana: i think the headway he makes is by -- within the party. i don't think he goes to the front of the pack is the ultimate nominee but can somebody like howard schultz or mike bloomberg get the democratic party, k

george h.w. bush. president trump tweeted a challenge, i suspect a reverse psychology, howard schultz doesn't have the guts to run for president. watched him on "60 minutes" last night. i agree he is not the smartest person. besides, america already has that. i only hope starbucks is still paying me rent in their trump tower. we'll continue to watch that. i think president trump very much wants howard schultz to run. you can follow me on twitter, i'm not the smartest person either. i'm @scottmcgrew. >>> take a look at this. new video chaos on the hudson river in new york, rising waters and ice jams sent several boats breaking free on friday. state police were forced to close several bridges between the morning rush hour as a precaution, as those boats were all just drifting away. one cruise ship eventually had to stop when it got jammed under a railroad bridge, that's one way to stop it. all the other vessel thas that drifted down river were secured. look at all the ice, though. a lot of ice. >> the cruise ship has to stop when it's jammed under the bridge. maybe they should have stopped before. wow.

george w. bush was 537, bucannon plays a role there, too. so what would happen with schultz, democrats are panics it would be a split. how about folks, the reluck and trump voters, they didn't want to a democratic, they voted for trump anyway, would schultz be a good option for someone that doesn't want to vote for trump. >> howard schultz will join morning joe, don't miss that. w. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis, month after month, the clock is ticking on irreversible joint damage. ongoing pain and stiffness are signs of joint erosion. humira can help stop the clock. prescribed for 15 years, humira targets and blocks a source of inflammation that contributes to joint pain and irreversible damage. vo: humira can lower your ability to fight infections. serious and sometimes fatal infections including tuberculosis, and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened, as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common

schultz? >> it hasn't worked out so well for democrats in the past with the exception of president george herbert bush it drou from democrats in 2016, but for 70,000 votes, hillary clinton would have been president and many of those 70,000 votes went to a third party. a lot of democrats believe why complicate this. we know what the mission is and it's to get donald trump out of office there's no possible way right now being realistic for a third-party candidate for howard schultz to win given where the country stands right now. >> it's significant that mike bloomberg who had the idea of a third-party candidacy and can self-finance is rjing about it, but as a democrat and howard has been tweeting against having schultz get in >> right one of the reasons why mayor bloomberg didn't run as an independent was because of this very thing we're talking about, both away trt democratic nominee and thereby being the person responsible for the republican winning. so howard schultz, if he's going to run for president, he should run as a democrat. there are lots of people running and he's got deep pockets and

george w. bush, he locked up the money early on and preempted the race. harris lacksamala a lot of money. but howard schultzed about money, he said it is ok. marty: his net worth is over $3 billion. of course, there is a real effort on the left leaning wing of the democratic party not to allow self funding or pacs to fund the race. david: that happens every four years. people say, i will not take pac money and then it never holds up. marty: even donald trump took pac money come even though he did not spend much on his election. so the role of money will be in interesting question. david: what is the shutdown -- has the shutdown due to donald trump? rumblings about that. marty: there has been talk about the negative effect on his popularity, that is why a lot of people are speculating he cannot afford, from a political standpoint, another shutdown. david: this is what i do not understand, his approval rating remains around 40%, at the same time there was a report that came out saying it was 63% right track, how can he be that popular with his base, while at the same time with people think the country is not

george h.w. bush the election. >> the u.s. electoral system tends to reward two big parties. oftentimes voters want to cast their ballot for someone they think has a chance to win. >> reporter: schultz'sisers llgue he does, pointing to the large and growing number of voters in places like california and florida who don't identify with either party. schultz took over starbucks when it had just 11 stores and fewer ltan 100 employees. today, it has nearly 30,000 stores in 78 countries. >> many people are going to ask, what does the coffee entrepreneur know about being commander-in-chief? >> i have a long history of recognizing i'm not the smartest person in the room. that in order to make great decisions about complex problems, i have to recruit and ontract people who are smarter than me. >> reporter: in a sign of how serious he is, schultz tonight announced he's hiring veterans hu two successful republican and democratic presidential sfmpaigns. but a formal launch isn't expected for a few more months. jeff? >> glor: ed o'keefe, thank you. howard schultz will be here in studio tomorrow on "cbs this morning." the justice department announcing charges against huwaei. and stealing trade sec

george h.w. bush the election. >> the u.s. electoral system tends to reward two big parties. often times voters want to cast their ballot for someone they think has a chance to win. >> schultz's advisers argue he does pointing to the voters in places like california and florida that don't identify with either party. he took over starbucks when it had just 11 stores and fewer than 100 employees. today it has nearly 30,000 stores in 78 countries. >> many people are going to ask what does the coffee entrepreneur know about being commander in chief? >> i have a long history of recognizing i'm not the smartest person in the room. that in order to make great decisions about complex problems, i have to recruit and attract people that are smarter than me. >> in a sign of how serious he is, schultz announced he's hiring veterans of two successful republican and democratic presidential campaigns, but a formal launch isn't expected for a few more months. >> overseas, now, there's signs that the longest war in u.s. history may be coming to a close. u.s. negotiators reached an agreement in principle with the taliban. it would include a u.s. pull out from afghanistan after 17 years. the cb

time since george washington that an independent person could ignite a national movement to say it's time for to us come together. liz: that's the former ceo of starbucks, that's howard schultz. he's sounding more and more like bill clinton or al gore. he's sounding like a moderate democrat. the democrats are threatening to boycott starbucks, blasting howard schultz because they think he'll split the democrat vote and get trump re-elected. howard shuttle is showing where the real split is in the democrat party and how extreme the left has become. john bolton condemning the attacks against opposition leader juan guaido. the u.s. really potentially sending 5,000 troops to next door neighbor colombia? russia and cuba look set to get in there. venezuelans loudly pointing out the silence of the democrats. no word yet from main line democrats on venezuela, now being turned into a killing field as venezuela is shooting and killing its own. alexandria ocasio-cortez is ignoring all that. 60 countries including canada condemn maduro for stealing the election. looting the country. the death toll is at least 40 with nearly 1,000 imprisons. critics say here is a question sanders and cort

george w. bush. jill stein pulled a decisive number of democrats from hillary clinton in wisconsin and michigan. we know who won that one. howard schultz should show that they don't always spoil things but usually does. and that's "hardball" for now. and that's "hardball" for now. >>> tonight on "all in. " >> is donald trump an intellectual? trust me i'm like a smart person. >> the president mocks his intelligence chief as they warn of another shutdown. tonight senator chris murphy on the shrinking presidency of on the on the. >>> new reporting oaffmeeting of the president's son and election interference. >>> he asked me for a contribution for the senate race. >> it should be less about billionaires getting to hang on to that last 2% of their bezillion dollars. >> and he called it the eighth wonder of the world. >>> we can say the eighth wonder of the world. >> donald trump and the fox con boon doggal. >> except i became president. >> when "all in" starts right now. >>> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. fresh off the biggest defeat of his presidency. the failed government shutdown, donald trump is now engaged in another batt

schultz would take from the left and just from the democrats. i'm not sure that's true anymore than if we were concerned that it was going to take from george bushlienations on both sides. >> the american people need to understand this. mathematically they will have a challenge. it is about the democracy. >> yes. >> earn the vote and don't be afraid or have a conversation. to align -- to totally just -- >> the republican primary is where i would like it to run. send this where it should count. >> he shouldn't be able to buy. this enlie it is problem that they -- >> and harris will formally announce her candidacy that will embrace the past and also apologizing for some of it. she will say if i have the honor of being a president i will tell you i'm not perfect but i will always have moral clarity and i will lead with integrity and tell the truth. my whole life i had only one client, the people. she has been under fire for being the former prosecutor. what do you make of her and what do you make of how much that will hurt her potentially in the primary? >> what you just read is the right tone to take. everybody can say god knows i'm not perfect. n

bill george, jeff sonnenfeld, thank you both for weighing in. >> thanks, sara. >> tomorrow howard schultzth our own andrew ross sorkin starting tomorrow morning at 6:00 a.m. eastern. >> when we come back, we'll have more on the big movers this morning. caterpillar, envied yeah, they are the major weight on many of the major averages, this after announcing a poor outlook. "squawk on the street" back right after this the future of technology investing lies beyond the tech sector. it's about technology transforming every sector. ♪ at pgim, our bottom-up approach uses a technology lens to identify long-term winners. from energy... to real estate... to retail. finding such opportunities for alpha is the true value of active investing. and around the world, you have a partner in that pursuit. pgim: the global investment management businesses of prudential. when it might be time to buy or sell? with fidelity's real-time analytics, you'll get clear, actionable alerts about potential investment opportunities in real time. fidelity. open an account today. fidelity. your favorite restaurants now it

george h.w. bush lost after facing pat buchanan and also ross perot. so the details of those are specific to those stories. but trump faces neither until howard schultzhe does not face a primary xhal thinker unless schultz or somebody else jumps in, he won't face a third party person. so just a note. and i do think it is interesting to point out right now michael bloomberg is running as a democrat. you have sherrod brown, ohio progress is sif. uhe list runnipopulist running democrat, you have a whole bunch of liberal, people like bernie sanders who may very well run. all these people are thinking of getting in. that is a very big tent party and no matter who they pick, somebody will be disenfranchised at the end of the primary process. >> howard schultz, very little name recognition, very little political operation. we are 335 days away from the election and yet at arizona state yesterday, a woman in the audience said to him two words, ralph nader. could howard schultz in your estimation have that type of impact in florida? >> the one thing that we haven't seen with regard to howard schultz and part of this is just because of maybe there haven't been

time since george washington that an independent person could ignite a national movement to say it's time for to us come together. liz: that's the former ceo of starbucks, that's howard schultznd more like bill clinton or al gore.

george w. bush administration we went to war. >> you'll go to people and s say -- you'll have this debate. >> should worry more about their candidates ripping away health care from 50% of the market than anything schultz't have insurance how do you -- if you get your insurance through your workplace and all of a sudden it is shoved in some other -- it's gone. it's over. you're getting shoved into the medicare and medicaid system. >> it's not you don't have coverage. >> and the government is -- >> and you'll be like canada and others -- >> may health care be the deciding factor and from the white house. >> yes. >> it is in 2018. >> i like that we are talking about issues. >> true. >> it is different. >> and here is what else. we are talking about covering people for all health care. we are talking about tax cuts and taking things away from people. >>> another trump cabinet secretary as questions come up about his financial ties and alleged links to russia. stay with us. my experience with usaa has been excellent. they really appreciate the military family and it really shows. with all that usaa offers why go with anybody else? we know their rates are good, we know that they're always going to take care

schultz comes in it hurts trump more than democrats. what did we have with ross perot, bill clinton and george bush if you have an economy first, businessandidate come in it eats away at the conservatives who might want someone to run the country like a business as opposed to getting to the more racial issues we have with trump. schultz coming in is a boon for democrats. they should be buying coffee to get him involved i would. i don't feel safe at starbucks this is an important issue elizabeth warren is the only person making a critique of capu capitalism as opposed to making an unfair system more fair that's what bernie sanders tried to say but he got caught up in his own issues >> who wins in the battle for the progressive, that wing of the party -- sanders or warren quick answer, tiffany. >> warren. >> jamal >> warren. >> jason >> warren. >> tiffany, jamal -- they made jason go with them they'll be back later. >> it was painful. >> kamala harris is out to make history with the 2020 campaign we'll discuss next first as we go to break here's wilbur ross getting the snl treatment. >> here to comment is secretary of commerce and man of

concerned about is schultz is auditioning to become the new ralph nader ralph nader was an independent in two thousand he took enough votes from al gore the democrat it to to elect george w. bush president of the united states who didn't even carry the popular vote that could happen again. good to speak with you as always bill schneider joining us there from washington thanks very much. at least two people have been killed and four others injured in an attack on a mosque in the southern philippines mindanao region the area is home to a substantial muslim population in a majority catholic nation it happened in zamboanga city and comes just days after muslims in a part of mindanao got more control over their affairs in a landmark deal with the government and that attack follows a bombing at a cathedral on the southern philippines learned of holo president rodriguez deterred today has ordered an all what he calls an all out war against those responsible but despite the violence muslim and christian leaders say they remain united from the hollow al-jazeera jamila in dog report. roadside bombings abductions and people displaced from their homes it's all part of daily life i

schultz could repeat ralph nader's performance in the 2000. >> to create fresh political movements that will displace the control of the republican and democratic parties. >> reporter: his vote more than eclipsed george field is taking shape. former congressman beto o'rourke is avoiding questions, saying he won't talk to reporters until he makes a decision, yet has an interview scheduled with oprah next week and popular senator sherrod brown, dignity of work tour wednesday in his native ohio, where he did not hold back in his criticism of president trump. >> donald trump has used his phony populism to divide americans and demonize immigrants. >> reporter: brown's tour continues in iowa with future stops planned . their argument, he's getting plenty of attention and is now a big part of the conversation. they also believe the more he gets hammered by both republicans and democrats that it will only help to shape his image as an outsider, appealing to independent voters. jake? >> ryan, thank you so much. we're back with the experts and governor christie is still with us to talk about the 2020 race. a remind er, his new book "let e finish" is in stores now. it's a gripping read. okay. because you like t

schultz and then trump wins. just as they split off to support ralph nader, that election wouldn't have been close if nader it stayed out and ross perot pulled voters away from georgebush. >>> a recent stoud . >>> people with high tax states like california with incomes above 100,000 but below 500,000 could be hit the hardest. we'll go over some of that as we talk business, coming up in about 30 minutes. in the meantime, join me on twitter @scottmcgrew. >>> the next requires a song -- ♪ quit playing games with my car ♪ that's the message this colorado mom got out of the car in the traffic jam after being stuck there four hours. she decided she needed to stretch her legs and bust a move there to the backstreet boys. take a listen. ♪ everybody >> her teenaged son not happy about that. >> mortified. >> mom, come on! but she seemed to be happy and i'm sure she spread a little cheer to a lot of people stuck in traffic there. look at mom go. go mom! go mom! >> he's holding his hands to his ears. he doesn't even want to hear the music. >> mom's saying look at me. >> after four hours i'm sure that seemed much shorter for him. >> a long time. not in our neck of the woods, c

george bush, sr. i don't believe that, but that someone had input on the election even though he didn't get any electoral votes. but do you think, if schultzto run, that he would be draining votes from whoever the democratic nominee ultimately is? >> well, it depends, seems like single-payer as currently stands is not polling terribly well. neil: most people don't know what it means? >> no. when they care about the cost of it they aren't terribly supported. neil: unless the cost is someone else not them. >> people realize it involves shortages, 40% lower reimbursement rates for physicians, they are a little less keen on it. perhaps could take away from the democratic base. neil: thank you very much. good seeing. >> you thank you. neil: there is that other billionaire michael bloomberg who right now will be in new hampshire. contemplating a run as a democrat, not an independent. charlie gasparino has been following fast-moving developments. hey, buddy. >> interesting. that guy looked like he had too many lattes, the guy who was screaming. neil: overdo it. >> combination of the caffeine and sugar from the pumpkin spice. neil: i've been there