that's george tenet, michael hayden. none of them were interviewed.f you want to get a sense of what they were thinking inside their heads, you can find it in my chapter of "the spymasters." >> in addition to being illegal and immoral park, we should probably mention that part. a number of people have asked about our relationship other powers. like starting right now with trump and our relationship with the five eyes with the rest of the world is one of the questions pick another question that can be bundled with that is, what about happy talk to these directors about activities that are with non-allied powers, bestway paraphrasing this. just sort of how does the cia see his position vis-À-vis what risk is been going to take over time to do with foreign powers? and in the question of what about a relationship with other coordination of intelligence sources, services, et cetera in the current context? >> you know, it's a tough question, a good question, a very hard question to answer, particularly because we have cia director currently who flies under

the truth is to have a detailed chapter on this, july 2001 george tenet who is head of the al qaeda unit with a letter to the bush white house he slammed his fist on the table and says we have to go to war now so essentially they blew the whistle and nobody heard it. this was less of an intelligence failure more of a policy failure to heed warnings. fast-forward to 2020 and now the catastrophic consequences of the president who ignored warnings in the president's daily brief throughout the month of january and 200,000 americans are dead. >> so with those stories and the abandonment of procedural norms. and with the principal committee meeting. and with the trump presidency and the cia. so on the war on the process this is the war on governing will never forget the outgoing chief of staff for obama so when the clock struck noon on jh he is waiting for winds previous to arrive and nobody showed up he waited an hour or more and then finally turned off the lights and left. to me that's enough of the presidency but it's not the first time that norms have been abandoned. so let's go back to th

the truth is and i have a really detailed chapter on this, in july 2001, george tenet, covert black andhead of the al qaeda unit went over to the white house. tovar slammed his fist on the table. it said we got to go in a work putting now. and he was with condi rice. eventually they blew the whistle and nobody heard it. this was the case, this was in my view less of an intelligence failure and more of a policy failure. it was awhite house failure . fast forward to 2020. and we are now suffering the catastrophic consequences of the president who ignored warnings in the president's daily brief throughout the month of january and 200,000 americans aredead . >> one of the things you talk about which is a little different and is the abandonment of procedural norms under this resident. particularly in terms of the principle committee meetings, can you talk a little bit about that because you talk about getting them to come to talk about the presidency and the cia. >> this is the white house thatnot only is as declared war on process and , this is one that essentially declared war on jonah fro