george w. bush failed. after 9/11. i will get to that in a minute. before i get to that i want to leave you with a thought about what kind of war we are engaged in right now. what was the proper response to 9/11? but before i get to that one dimension teddy roosevelt. it is not a happy comparison but there are comparisons to osama bin laden and teddy roosevelt falling away. they're both from upper-class families who volunteered for war. in osama bin laden volunteering for the war against the soviets in afghanistan. he fought quite bravely against the soviets almost suicidally so in 1985. he set up a camp outside the soviet garrison to attract enemy fire which was a strange thing to do from a military perspective but this is a guy who wanted to die--who wanted to martyr themselves in a fight against the soviets. in 1997 i produced a television interview with ben watson in which he declared war against the united states for the first time to a western audience. who are you trying to attack? he said es

george w. bush made a decision when he first came into office that he was concerned about the fact that iraq was firing regularly at the united states and united kingdom aircraft that were supporting the united nations no-fly zones, and patrolling in the northern and southern portion of iraq. those planes were being shot at almost every day. the only country in the world that was shooting at american and british aircraft. over 2000 times they were fired on. the joint chiefs of staff advise me and the president that they were concerned about the fact that eventually one of our planes, a british plane or our plane, would be shut down and the troops would be killed or taken hostage. third, the united states department had listed iraq is on the countries on the terrorist list. so there were a series of things like that by way of background. next, the united states intelligence agency spent a great deal of time, and determined that they were convinced that the iraqi government had weapons of mass destruc

hear's one from bill maher ripping george w. bush. >> president bush filed. he's paying $207-k. wow. of course, president bush's tax return different. he claims the christian rights as dependents. he declared the 2000 election as a gift. [laughter] chris: a little more bite there, wasn't there? when we come back, enough about taxes. let's turn to debt. there's a hot debate among young evangelicals right now. is there a hell? what if there is no hell? plus, scoops and predictions. be right back. chris: welcome back. this week's "time" magazine has this cover. "what if there's no hell?" it talks about a michigan minister, a pastor, who rocked evangelicals with a best-selling book. pastor bell argues there is no hell, thank god is a forgiving god. here's the video talking about why the traditional roots to salvation may not be necessary. >> you need to be initiated or baptized or take a class or converted or being born again? how does one become one of these few? the center of the gospel of jesus is that god is going to send you to hell unless you believe in jesus. and so what gets

george w. bush what do you think is the shortcoming? on what issues? >> guest: i am 78 years old. i live day third of our country's history. almost every republican president was considered not very swift. dwight eisenhower played too much golf and had poor syntex. gerald ford case and played too much football without a helmet. didn't matter he had gone to yale law school or was the world's leading expert in the u.s. budget having served on the appropriations committee. >> host: and the best athlete in the white house. >> host: they contended he was a stumblebum. ronald reagan, characterized as an amiable dunce. and then people read his letters and saw that this man was knowledgeable and while not a micromanaging, a strategic leader. and a superb and i lease successful strategic leader. george w. bush was described as not curious, not knowledgeable, end he had gone to harvard business school and yale and was clearly is an intelligent human being. i didn't know the man, worked with his father in cong

occupier, and since you mentioned a minute ago that you were very outspoken and very critical of george w. bush, i am wondering where the spread of democracy is concerned, how you would assess president obama. he has been sending more troops to afghanistan, pakistan, etc., and even more aggressive than george bush, who you were very critical of, so i am interested in that. >> let me leave afghanistan out of it, but when you take the arab revolutionary ways, i think that the way he handled it was absolutely the right way, and even in regards to iran, which is a very koran this regime, he was, in my opinion, right in not addressing regime change from the outside. this is for the iranians to decide, because if you remove america as the devil, the regime could condemn, and because of that, the iranian people started demanding democracy and less oppression. this in a very ugly ways suppressed, taking that sense. that was actually the right thing. to mischa and others that have a pressure of regimes, but they were on our side in the world, " and the obama administration used its influence to really d

i'm using it in the way that people like george w. bush, barack obama or even dave petraeus would have used it which is this is a way of describing this kind of mission of armed nation building that we're involved in. it's been described in some ways as armed social work. and i'm trying to really tribe this phenomenon to the ordinary reader who might have this idea when they look at the news and they see lots of what journalists call the bang bang from places like iraq and afghanistan and show them another picture of what goes on, the sort of three cups of tea side of the war, that is what the military calls the nonkinetic side of things. and what i really wanted to get at was the experience of people who are really kind of getting their hands dirty doing these kinds of things; rebuilding schools, digging wells, building roads. fundamentally nonmilitary missions in places like iraq and afghanistan. >> host: so is the u.s. military currently building schools, building roads, doing nonmilitary functions? >> guest: you'd be surprised to see t

whether barack obama is able to follow his own line on foreign policy or the course laid out by george w. bush that's next on r.t. . world. removed the latest in science technology from around. we've got the future covered. came. along welcome to cross talk i'm people of all feel bomb a doctrine is there such a thing over the past few months we've seen the u.s. waffle as change rages across the arab middle east and some western backed dictators remain firmly in power while the same time forced regime change is happening in libya all in is this a new doctrine or just muddling through. can still. discuss whether there's an obama doctrine i'm joined by phyllis bennis in washington she is project director at the institute for policy studies in paris we have on this album marty he is a libyan political analyst and another member of our cross talk e-mail and hunger all right phyllis i'd like to go to you first you know we're both americans and we're used to having presidents having doctrines when it comes to foreign policy and we had harry truman he had a universal policy you know universal doctrine

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president george w. bush made a decision when he first came into office that he was concerned about the fact that iraq was firing regularly at the united states and united kingdom aircraft that were supporting the united nations no-fly zone and patrolling in the northern and southern portion of iraq. those planes were being shot at almost every day. the only country in a world that was shooting at american and british aircraft. over 2000 times they were fired on. the joint chiefs of staff advised me in a president that they were concerned about the fact that eventually one of our planes, a british plane or airplanes will be shut down and the crews would be killed or taken hostage. third, the united states department of state had listed iraq as one of the countries on the terrorist list so there were a series of things like that by way of background. next, the united states intelligence agency spent a great deal of time and determined that they were convinced that the iraqi government had weapons of mass destr

staff and first african american president to be so much more intense. >> host: let's go back to george w. bush and the household staff because again the point i was making is the reunion aspect that george herbert walker bush talked about. what in the household staff members that george w. bush was especially close to? >> guest: i didn't find any particular staff members, no, but the staff that he knew when his dad was president, as you say, was almost like a sort of little reunion with the bush family when after the clinton period bush the sun came back and of course then the father would come back for a visit so that sort of enhanced this whole notion of the sort of bush family knows the household staff and the household staff liked the bush's in some ways because they work so predictable. that's important to have consideration for the household staff. some presidents would do the dhaka were like, someone like lyndon johnson would say i'm going to have 50 people for dinner in two hours take care of it. the bush's were much more willing to give people notice and understand when some things co

african-american staff and the first african present made it so much more intense. >> host: let's go back to george w. bushd housel static is the point i was making was that union aspect of george herbert walker bush talk about. with an household staff members that george w. bush was especially close to? >> guest: i did not any particular staff members, no. but the staff that he knew when his dad was present as you say was almost like sort of as a reunion with the bush family when, after the clinton period, bush the son came back and, of course, then the father would come back and visit. that was would've enhanced the whole notion of the bush family knows the household staff at the household staff like the bushes, in some ways because they were so predictable. that's very important consideration with the household staff. some presidents were late and some presidents like lyndon johnson would say, i'm going to 50 people for dinner in two hours. take care of it. the bushes were much more willing to give people notice and understand in some things could be done because it was asking too much. they also are ca

president george w. bush made a decision when he first came into office that he was concerned about the fact that iraq was firing regularly at the united states and united kingdom aircraft that were supporting the united nations no-fly zone and patrolling in the northern and southern portion of iraq. those planes were being shot at almost every day. the only country in a world that was shooting at american and british aircraft. over 2000 times they were fired on. the joint chiefs of staff advised me in a president that they were concerned about the fact that eventually one of our planes, a british plane or airplanes will be shut down and the crews would be killed or taken hostage. third, the united states department of state had listed iraq as one of the countries on the terrorist list so there were a series of things like that by way of background. next, the united states intelligence agency spent a great deal of time and determined that they were convinced that the iraqi government had weapons of mass destr

you know, you should know that the bin laden family funded george w. bush's first oil endeavor. you should know that, and he somehow makes that funny. i don't know how he does it. i do grapple with that. i don't always make it amusing. but i think it's every person's responsibility when they have a microphone and the ear of so many people to--yes, you're a comic; make them laugh. that's what they paid their money to see. but also edify in some way. don't keep lowering the bar culturally. the bar is low enough in our--you know, it's howard stern low. it's very low. and so i don't want to participate in that, in the de-intellectualization of our citizenry, you know? the book you wrote with ben stiller, feel this book, which is largely kind of a parody of self-help books, also had nuggets like this: is that--it also kind of drives your career, doesn't it? you're not doing the predictable. well, see, here's the thing, though. thank you for saying that i'm not doing something predictable, because i take it as a compliment, but true radicals probably see me as the biggest, like, sello

the survival and success of liberty we all remember that one and we should it's a good saying george w. bush had his own to the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in the world now mr obama a few days ago had the following to say let's discuss of this is his doctrine america should not be expected to police the world particularly when we have so many pressing concerns here at home is that a doctrine should it be a doctrine should it be in braced and is it being acted out phyllis. well i don't think that's a doctrine i think it's a statement of lowering expectations i also think that one of the problems with all of these doctrines is that it bases the whole of u.s. foreign policy on the military so if we say should we intervene should we help it's assumed to mean should we send troops in my analysis that's almost never the case we should intervene with a whole range of other things but not with military force and that question of how are we defining intervention is an ongoing challenge in the particular for president obama i think what he faces right now given that the arab spring has turned upsi

got george w. bush out and set up their own government set up a government acceptable to mexico and we were all occupied for ten years and then we discovered that the mexican soldiers for fun had been killing us i mean you know some among us. this is in some ways how many of the afghans are viewing what's going on in the united states are going on in their country the horrible headline that was in the in the mail the this is the british newspaper the mail and of course it's it's a play off of it's a stuff from the rolling stone article death squad full horror emerges how rogue us brigade murdered and mutilated innocent afghan civilians and kept their body parts as drove that's the headline and then these bullet points are just you know before the text of the story rolling stone reveals that soldiers cut off fifty fifteen year old boys finger and kept it as a trophy video captures u.s. cherubs troops cheering as an airstrike killed two afghan civilians new pictures show dead afghan man's dead honest stic

i think it's a bigger issue with the american political system one that george w. bush also encountered i will go as far as to say that i think the country is somewhat ungovernable at this point in time because of the heightened polarization that has been really led by political elites and by media elites so i think it's very difficult regardless of what side of the political your aisle you are on to accomplish an agenda and president obama had a very ambitious agenda so i'm not surprised that he hasn't been able to accomplish much of it as far as the american political fifth which which issues do you think of playing the most leading role in what you call it an ungovernable situation is there that your party political system is jesse ventura third in and started here cannot report do you think. well i think the heightened partisanship of the two party system is certainly lending to a lack of compromise we saw with the near government shutdown that both sides were relatively unwilling to go the distance until they were really forced to by public opinion and the fear tha

of. >> host: let's go back to george w. bushnd the household staff because, again, the point i was making was the sort of reunion aspect that george herbert walker bush talked about. >> guest: right. >> host: were there any household staff members that george w. bush was especially close toking? >> i didn't find any -- close to? >> guest: the staff that he knew, his staff was with president, as you say, it was sort of like a little reunion with the bush family when after the clinton period bush, the son, came back. and of course the father would come back for a visit, so that sort of enhanced this whole notion of the bush family knows the household staff. and the household staff liked the bushes in some ways because they were so predictable. that's very important to have consideration for the household staff. some presidents were late, some presidents were, like lyndon johnson, would say, well, i'm going to have 50 people for dinner in two hours, take care of it. the bushes really were much more willing to give people notice and

george bush was born the oldest child before they went to texas. and when they were in texas unfortunately experienced great sadness. following george w. bush, the sun jab was born then a daughter named rabin and she had leukemia. and there is a wonderful interview generally about barbara bush but one part of the interview is george bush and he says we were told by the pediatrician to come to talk to her and she said this child has leukemia and he said quoting directly "i did not know what the house she was talking about in the early 1950's. what is the key man? the pediatrician said your daughter will not live very much longer. they made a decision to take her to sloan-kettering in new york where she was treated with experimental protocols and died in nine months later and barbara bush to no one's surprise had a very difficult time and had depression for awhile and then eventually emerged with two other bush children another boy than much to the great happiness dorothy bush, either of the daughter born in 1959 lowered at -- known as doro. barbara became the political wife and observed by reporters at the time that if there was a slight

you worked in the george w. bush administration. what was in your head at that time? >> it depends on what the time was. i thought at the time there is no better job than being a mayor. there's no jobbery to make up every day and see something that is broken or see a family that needs help and go solve it. if i had enough time, i could have done something for every citizen of indianapolis. mayor bloomberg had really long days, and so did the rest of my friends who were mayors. it is a very motivating thing. it is not like giving speeches and pontificating. you can actually go out and do it. i determined i wanted to be the best mayor ever. we had a fair amount of success in many ways. i then ran for governor and lost in a campaign that was really not very good. i managed to raise a lot of money and do nothing wrong that i manage to pull out a defeat. i ran against a really nice guy who was very popular. we are salonga quite well. i was running on a platform of change -- we get along quite well. it was a very acrimonious primary, and that never healed over. one of the t

we are here to talk about george w. bush. he latter stages of his presidency, bill clinton bemoaned the fact that his presidency was devoid of the great challenges that marked a great president. george w. bush was not so handicapped. he had many challenges. he lacks the wherewithal for greatness and possibly even competence. he came into office in the most inauspicious of circumstances. a drawn-out election outcome that was decided by a bizarre decision by a 5-4 supreme court majority that lacked grounding in constitutional law. someone had to be inaugurated on january 20. the result was that a close election was preceded by the democratic base as a corrupted outcome. and bush as an illegitimate president. get over it, the republicans said. but it was not so easily gotten over. given the results produced by the election outcome, bush came into office as a conciliator. his victory speech and his inaugural speech had heavy emphasis on reconciliation. things went south by the second year. the toxic political climate was fed by hy

george w. bush will join wounded veterans on a 100 kilometer mountain bike race. it's run by an organization that empowers injured service military members. and president obama and first lady michelle obama will take part in the annual white house easter egg roll. all day long you can stay on top of those stories and others as they break on msnbc. and watch brian williams on the nightly news. and what's going on this morning on the today show, al roker has the details on the wild weather expected in the south and the midwest this week. four days left before the royal wedding, meredith reports live from london on last-minute preparations. >>> keep it on this channel for continuing local news, weather, sports, and more. i'm lynn berry. thanks for watching "early today," just your first stop of the day, today on your nbc station. have a good one.

he was followed by george w. bush and the same projection was made every year and every year the deficit grew so that at the end of the george w. bush administration, before bill clinton took office, there was a projected additional deficit of about $3 billion additional dollars -- $3 trillion additional dollars. bill clinton came into office, changes were made, balanced budget act went into effect, pay-go, which required laws to be paid for with new taxes or with cuts, no more deficit financing for new laws, came into effect and at the end of the clinton administration the normal process took plait place at the end of that year, what will be the deficit going forward? whoa. you mean there is no deficit? yes. the congressional budget office estimated at the end of the clinton period that there would be a $5 trillion surplus, literally paying off the entire debt of the united states. policies were put in place during that presidency, democrat and republican votes on both sides, that would in the 10 years, 2001 to 2010,

by the time you have george w. bush running as an outsider in congress, went to harvard and yale, son of a president, and yet he runs very effectively as an outsider, so one of the things i wanted to highlight is how much that means, our understanding of outside and inside, centering margins changed if we can see somebody like george w. bush as an outsider. >> who do you consider to be outsiders today in >> well, i don't actually think about it in terms of who i think is an outsider, but why people see themselves as outsiders, and why they position themselves that way in public, so i i think it's interesting that obama is one of the recent presidential candidates who really hasn't pushed himself or run a constructive narrative of himself as an outsider especially in his recent writings, and race has to do with that. he's trying to down play his difference as an african-american, and thus one of the more recent successful can dates for -- candidates who didn't per sue the narrative. think of bill clinton, he ran as an ou

intervention idealistic foreign policy had been used and cooperated by the neo conservatives and george w. bush and used to serve the iraq war. you had a lot of folks who thought the democratic party finally had a solid foundation for a foreign policy, and it really gets out of the ashes of the iraq war, it starts to look very bad. and so there's an effort in the democratic party to d something new, and one direction you could go is in a purely realist direction, concentrate on the interest of the united states, play down. >> charlie: define america's national security. >> exactly. play down the hectoring about democracy which a lot of people in the middle east associated with military venturism. that's the direction that appealed to obama, i think it partly appealed to him because he was thinking about running for president. and he obviously knew hillary clinton would be sppont and that kind of foreign policy would put her aside for the iraq war and would look very good. he pulled the iraq war. he has a realist direction. he pulled out people like the national security adviser, sort of the rei

i believe people did the same thing with george w. bush. they were willing to believe he knew about 9/11 because they didn't like him. that is a bad thing about american politics. chris: when we come back, scoops hey marcel, watch this! hey marcel, watch this! [ buzzer sounds ] [ cheers and applause ] ♪ hey marcel, watch this! yeah, marcel! -marcel! marcel! are you listening to me? marcel! [ male announcer ] only at&t u-verse lets you follow your favorite channels on one screen. just $29 a month for the first six months -- dvr included. in the network there are no hard choices. [ woman ] this icelandic mud was working wonders on my skin. but if it was going to do the same for my spa, i had to figure out a way to get it back to the states. so i called my citibank small business expert. he got me a line of credit to make it happen and even improved my cash flow. now, my spa has more business than ever. ...and so does our cleaning crew. [ male announcer ] at citibank, we believe small business is a big deal. what's your story? citibank can hel

i believe people did the same thing with george w. bush. they were willing to believe he knew about 9/11 because they didn't like him. that is a bad thing about american politics. chris: when we come back, scoops hey! you want that? you want a warm, super-delicious strawberry toaster strudel yeah but now i have nothing to eat sure you do. hey! you can have the pop tart! llsbury toaster strudel. the one kids want to eat than listening ere'noto our favorite songs. there'nothing we love more than listening to our favore song but our favorite thing is eating totino's pizzaolls. but our favoritehing isatg totino's pizolls ♪e're the kids in america ♪ oh, oh,h chris: welcome back. john, tell me something i don't know. >> a lot of republican elders, including big money people are very nerves about john boehner and the vote over raising the debt ceiling. they're not sure he has his republican caucus under control. this is real. if he doesn't handle that well there's going to be a dump john boehner movement by the republican establishment. chris: whe

president george w. bush is leaving office, handing the keys to the white house to president barack obama. what was the national debt? it was $5 trillion when he came into office, president george w. bush, and as he left, the projected debt for the next year was $11 trillion. in eight years, he had more than doubled the national debt in america. and we were witnessing record deficits. and he said to president obama, here is next year's budget and, incidentally, it's a $1.2 trillion deficit. how did this reversal occur in just eight years? it occurred because the policies of the bush administration called for waging two wars and not paying for them and doing something that had never been done in u.s. history by any president -- tax cuts in the middle of a war. a war, of course, is over and above the ordinary expenses of government, and if you cut revenues at the same time, it makes it impossible to balance the budget. in fact, drove us to record high deficits. and that's what president obama inherited, an $11

george w. bush had been born -- their oldest child. he was born before they went to texas. and when they were in texas, they, unfortunately, experienced great sadness. following george w. bush, their son jeb was born and then a daughter named robin. and it was found that robin had leukemia. and there is a wonderful interview with the -- it's generally about barbara bush, but one part of the interview is george bush, and he says -- we were told by the pediatrician to come and talk to her, and she said to us, this child has leukemia, and he said -- and i'm quoting directly here, we didn't know what the hell she was talking about, in the early 1950s, what was leukemia and he said the pediatrician said, well, your daughter is not going to live very much longer. and they made a decision to take her to new york to sloan-kettering where she was treated with an experimental protocol but she died about nine months later. and barbara bush, to no one's surprise, add very, very difficult time with it. she dealt with depression for a while. and then eventually emerged from it. the two ot

the george w. bush period. george w. bush started the very first year of his presidency with massive tax cuts that created a $2 trillion deficit, plus, and very few jobs. during the clinton period, ended with a $5.3 trillion surplus and the creation of over 22 million jobs and the tax rate for mr. trump and other millionaires and billionaires was 39%. it is in fact the history of america's economy that proves that you're not going to create more jobs by reducing the taxes for mr. trump and the like. so what do these things have in common, a unicorn, bugs bunny and the corporate tax rate of 35%? they're all fictional. every one of them. i want to now move to another subject and i'll make this my last and i'll make it kind of quick. if we're going to grow the american economy, we have to make the critical investments that are the foundation of economic growth in any and every country, whether you are singapore, whether you are china or any of the european countries, france or britain, the united kingdom or the united states

when george w. bush became president immediately he gave six months notice to russia that we are pulling out united states is pulling out of the a.b.m. treaty anti-ballistic missile treaty that limited the united states's ability to test and deploy anti-satellite weapons so-called missile defense systems and other space technology at the pentagon today a warning that space will become the next big battleground to meet the challenge difference are three donald rumsfeld is making space a top pentagon priority putting a four star general at the head of a new air force space command to take charge of all military space activity including any new anti missile defense pay careful attention to protecting promoting our interest in space going on officials say is the first step toward eventually putting weapons into space. the united states is the leader searching development of space weapons. secrets and in the black budgets of the pentagon these covert programs cost many billion dollars a. month technology does

we had the love between tony wlare and george w. bush. it was perhaps a bit of a fatal attraction. we didn't have the love between bush's father and john major. but we have the love between reagan and thatcher. so there needs to be genuine affection. the chemistry at the top needs to work for everything else to click in. otherwise the point about schizophrenia is right. we tend to swing fromed alation to revulsion. chris: revulsion, ok. just to correct one thing, i think that tony blair was much closer emotionally and politically to bill clinton, that's what i thought. >> no. and that surprised brits a lot and disappointed brits a lot. chris: it disappoint mess. >> i think the british have a combination of resentment and complacency. on both sides. and i don't know, do you remember the film "love actually"? that wonderful theme where you have billy bob thornton as the american president -- chris: the worst of clinton and bush in the same person. >> he comes over and bullies the british prime minister. chris: and tries to pick up the secretary. >> and hugh grant turns around and say

we are here to talk about george w. bush. stages of his presidency, bill clinton, be loaned to affect his presidency was devoid of the great challenges that could mark him as a great president. there are many challenges, very severe ones in his tenure as president but lack the wherewithal for greatness and confidence. bush came into office and the most inauspicious of circumstances, a drawn out election outcome that was ultimately decided by a bizarre decision of the 5-4 supreme court majority that lacked grounding in any constitutional law. someone had to be inaugurated on jan. 20th. a close election was perceived by the democratic base as a corporate outcome and bush as an illegitimate president. get over it was the republican mantra but it wasn't so easily gotten over. it was, and over by the public at large. given the resemblance produced by the election outcome bush came into office as a conciliator. his acceptance speech, his victory speech after the supreme court decision in his inaugural speech all promised heavy emph

the george w. bush republican period created the great recession, two wars unpaid for, a major increase in the medicare program and the result, the great recession and the great deficit. this is what obama faced the day he came into office. the greatest recession since the great depression and an $11.5 trillion deficit going forward. those are the facts. that's where we started this. now, what are we going to do about it? what are we going to do about this problem? the president has put forth a budget that would in eight years, significantly reduce the deficit so it wouldn't grow and allow us to pay the interest. not removing it. not paying it all off. neither do the republican proposals. but it would us in a position where it would not grow. it takes time to solve the huge deficit problem that the george w. bush, the ronald reagan and bush, senior, put us into and we can do it. but we cannot do it unless we grow this economy and it's about growing the economy and creating jobs that we would like to tal

it may be goes overboard but by the time yet george w. bush running as an outsider for president, here's a man who went to an elite prep school in new england, harvard and yale. a graduate of both of those institutions. and yet he runs this very effectively as an outsider. so one of things i want to highlight is just how much that means our understanding of outside and inside center and margins has changed, if we can see something like george w. bush as an outsider. >> who do you consider to be outsiders today? >> i don't actually try to think about it in terms of who i think of as an outsider i'm interested in why people see themselves as outsiders and why they position themselves that way in public. so i think it's interesting that obama is one of the recent presidential candidates who really hasn't pushed himself were constructed a narrative as that much of an outsider, especially in his more recent writings and in his performance during the campaign. i think race has a lot to do with the. he's trying to downplay his differences as an afric

>> ever president in modern times, going i think in model reagan -- ronald reagan -- george w. bush, we're going to make a switch grass into oil. this was not much better and i stopped paying attention. >> the gas tax -- you have to have a big revenue jump on energy or nothing good happens. >> charles has been talking about this or as long as i have known him. >> 1983, my first piece on that i have given up. >> i guess i've been around longer. richard nixon was the first on this. >> you are right. >> it might have been the same teleprompter. [laughter] energy independence, nationalism has become some of the underlying premise -- >> i would make two points. it looks as if the president's policy on oil is a drill in brazil. second, he said that we would cut oil imports by one/league starting from the day of my swearing in. why did he take that day? today we import 9.7 million barrels because of recession. he has not lifted a finger. the man is hope and change. [laughter] >> no comment. >> they want to shut the government down and turn you into their scapegoat and to say is that tea pa