george p. bush on the legacy of his grandparents a george h. w. bush and barbara bush. >> thank you. welcome. i feel like i probably do not need to introduce my fellow panelists here, because everyone knows who they are, but on my left we have george p. bush. speaking on behalf of the bush brand. [applause] >> susan page is the washington andau chief for usa today author of the best-selling biography of barbara bush called the matriarch. she will be signing copies of it after this. [applause] beschloss, one of our most well-known presidential historians who has written so many things, so many books, i will be asking you about some of the stuff that i found in my worn copy of character of all. something i want to ask all of lost- given that we have barbara bush and george h. w. bush so close together, what kind of reassessment do you think this has brought for the country as to what the bush name and what the significance really was of all of the work that they did in so many arenas of public service? >> looking back on it now coming close to a year, i just think about a life of public service.

he drew cartoons from hoof tore george w. bush and you get to see how his career evolved and how his opinions changed and how he drew particular presidents and obviously i brought out a selection of cartoons to give a sense of how he perceived certain presidents. >> the first cartoon is herbert hoover which was the first that mr. block covered and it shows hoover at the rapidan camp, and hoover further down in the shenandoah mountains in rapidan, virginia, and so mr. block has depicted hoover leading a couple of capitalists to his camp and they're fishing and then instead of giving economic benefits perhaps in the form of cash incentives, the capitalists get fresh fish to sell and it's a pen and ink style. it's on a very smooth board and this is very typical of what would have been produced in the midwest at this point in time. so the second cartoon i've brought out today is about fdr, franklin delano roosevelt and mr. block has not yet come to a point where he's embracing the democratic party yet. so what you're seeing is a carto

block believed that george w. bush had a strong affiliation with religious groups, christian religious groups in particular. so one of the issues that mr. block drew cartoons about for decades was on equality and civil rights. he really believed that african-americans deserved an equal chance and an equal opportunity. and eight years after the passage of brown versus board of education, which was supposed to desegregate the public schools and universities and give everybody an equal education, in 1962 he pointed out that that still was not the case. there were states in the country that had chosen to shutter their public schools rather than desegregate. so we have a little girl holding a birthday cake, an african-american girl holding a birthday cake. she's telling the white gentleman standing next to her that she's 8. and the james crow public school is on the other side of the fence. she's locked out. mr. block would republish this cartoon every year for 15 years. until public schools were accessible to children. it

he covered presidents from herbert hoover to george w. bush. sarah duke spoke to us about his influence and legacy. >> it was a rest are in a western cartoonist. >> six months before the great depression. he was a moderate conservative. it pushed him further toward the center. and the injustice of world war ii. in 1933 he world war ii. in 1933 he joined the newspaper association. he joined the washington post. his last cartoon appeared on august 26. we have about 14,000 of his editorial cartoons. he did give away cartoons to friends. we have the majority his editorial cartoons. he did give away cartoons to friends. we have the majority of his output. you that see how his career has evolved, his opinions have changed. it gives a sense of how they perceive different presidents and how his style evolved. the next one is about herbert hoover. it shows herbert at the rabid on camp. mr. bloch has depicted hoover leading a couple of capitalists to his camp. and they are fishing. instead of getting economic benefits in the form of cash incentives they

if you ask americans, the perception was karl rove, this evil genius and a fellow pointed out george w. bush, and it will be interesting how history evaluates that relationship, and if any of you have been to the george bush library, it's a wonderful place to visit and philip knows better than anybody to push back on this narrative that his decisions were controlled by other people, and again, it will be interesting to see how those public perceptions changes history and goes on. >> yeah. i recall very personally one occasion where this played out. i was the director of the 9/11 commission. we interviewed both of the relevant former presidents, bush and clinton and the vice presidents cheney and gore in the course of our investigation. arranging these interviews was difficult, so anyway, we go to the white house to interview bush. bush and cheney actually had asked to be interviewed together at the white house in one lengthy session. we acceded to that request and there were ten commissioners and me and the president and the vice president had note takers. they were upset by the ground rules

george bush. i don't use the h w. he was george bush when he was president. when john quincy adams became president, john adams did not have to change his name, so i am sticking with george bush and his immediate successor, bill clinton. and george w. bush, the one who came next, then finally, we sort of get >> our toe into the obama presidency. part of which pat oliphant was able to capture in his cartoons. we will also see at least one example of pat oliphant's great gift as a sculptor. unfortunately we only get to see it in two dimensions. it is an extraordinary work. one of our >> panelists, mary kay carey, can tell us something about that sculpture and the president who it portrays. mary cate is a senior fellow at the miller center. she has been teaching this year and the politics department of the university. she was a speechwriter and communication specialist of all sorts in the bush/quayle >> campaign in 1988, and during the george bush presidency. philip, former director of the miller center, and a member of the history department here held prominent

george bush when he was president. john adams didn't have to change his name so i'm sticking with george bush and of course, his immediate successor bill clinton and george w. bush, the one who came next and finally, we sort of dip our toe into the obama presidency, pat of which pat oliphant was able to capture in his cartoons and we're able to see at least one example of pat oliphant's gifts as a sculptor. we only get to see an image of it, but it's an extraordinary work and one ever our panelists, the one we'll introduce right now, mary kay carey can tell us about the sculpture. ma mary kate is a senior fellow and has been teaching in the politics department of the university she was a speechwriter and communication specialist of all sorts in the bush-quayle campaign and then in the george bush presidency. the former director of the miller center and a member of the history department here held prominent positions in both bush administrations and probably did other things that i'm not even aware of that are worth noting and then chris lowe. a senior fellow has worked over the years and i don't know how many people get to say that truthfully including sev

taliban still to this day 21000 this baby was born severely deformed these are the consequences of george w. bush by the way good friends with ellen who is part of the resistance here you know we want to return to the good guys were told george w. bush was the good guy we're told like his wars were fine this baby being to formulate. what is ellen have to say about this child as a direct result of the depleted uranium dropped on full lucia. right well look there's no a cure for runaway greed and war industry is based on greed and that greed is based on this rush to cumulate as much paper wealth as possible even though it's not genuine wealth stock actual money it's not gold like a warren buffet just hoards of money like an old granny with or phonebooks that doesn't credible damage because of inculcates into the population this notion of holy greed which supports the defense industry which then goes to full lucia and creates deformed babies in the main will of profit this is in order to maintain our lifestyles we want the free flow of energy of oil supplies that's what the argument was right when a

i worked for multiple presidents they are careful about what they say to be presidential and george w busha wonderful guy but if you talk to him and ask a question he would grunt and moan and roll his eyes and had to figure out what to do if you are wrong you are in trouble if you are right you can be rewarded but he will not tell you because nothing he ever said was brought before the impeachment inquiry so i just smiled so you're going to impeach me for smiling? it is refreshing and scary and a high wire act but he has rough edges and he tells us hwhat he thinks. >> dominic out of new york good morning. >> good morning first of all i like to know your guest opinion on the economy 93 -year-old man who says the image he will never forget is trump crossing over to the dmz into north korea and now that the mias are coming home he went where no one else would go. i think the economy is doing great i would like to hear your opinion have a great day and happy thanksgiving. >> to you to. you cannot knock the numbers the numbers don't lie it is pretty miraculous what has happened we have 7 millio

trying to help his political campaign and using the public's money to try to do it in the case of george w. bush it would've been difficult i don't think that you could have made the case that george w. bush knew that what he was saying was wrong i think dick cheney knew that what he was saying was wrong and i think that dick cheney could have been impeached but the democrats decided against my views expressed at the time that everybody should lead bygones be bygones there is one case in history where some impeach was considered after someone left office but typically that's not the case one vice president was almost impeached and avoided it because they couldn't bring him to trial fast enough to to meet the end of the term so i think that once the term was over once bush was out of office it became verboten if you will to consider that i agree with you completely especially on the cheney cheney front because i think there was a lot of people that should have been held accountable for that and i think that's one of the reasons kind of many people look today and say ok we see this kind of infight

george w. bush. you say, he's not president, hasn't been around in awhile. remember, george w. sh, number one. he benefits by not being donald trump. i talk to so many democratic folks who say, man, i wish we had george w. bush back around. when ten years ago he was their worst president ever. number two, don't forget his speech at his father's funeral. i thought it was moving. he teared up. his public perception happens a lot for those out of office. the handing of the mint to michelle obama. there's a lot there that goes to show you this guy is deeper than we sort of thought he was when he was in office. and again, this is not uncommon. this happens all the time. presidents get out of office, don't have to make hard decisions. those people who follow you in office are maybe not ideal. you benefit. he quite clearly has. >> also if you're friends with ellen, you have to be nice. >> he's just a guy who i think his -- the way in which his presidency went is very different than the person we see out of office. he's friends with barack obama. it's a different version of george w. bu

let's join richard painter, he was the cheap data -- the chief ethics lawyer under george w. bush and he joins me now from neapolis. good to have you with us on the program. what do you think of the current situation and the fact that the house intelligence committee has actually formulated this report it is going to the judiciary committee? >> the evidence in the extortion plot aimed at ukraine is overwhelming that donald trump thought to -- sought to extort help for his political campaign from ukraine in return for hundreds of millions of dollars of military aid. that is clearly something that is an impeachable offense, high crimes and misdemeanors under the united states constitution. the judiciary committee will consider that, along with the other crimes committed by this president, including the obstruction of justice in the rush investigation, and the fact that president trump has instructed people in his administration not to respond to any of the congressional subpoenas. that is obstruction of congress, and that something that richard nixon was impeached for, and i expect

karl worked for president george w. bush. at this point george w. bush was in the high 50s.k obama almost 60. it's a big difference. if you're saying everything is about impeachment in terms of reelection, i would differ. the thing there's lots of issues that are going to come between now and then. but we are seeing right now was feeding and enthusiasm a part of the democratic base that i think we saw reflected in louisiana, in kentucky, virginia legislation elections, the suburbs of pennsylvania. i think the democrats are fired up over this issue. >> martha: let's take a look at this latest iowa poll. head-to-head, the president beating bernie sanders, elizabeth warren, joe biden, pete buttigieg in iowa. how significant is that poll to you? >> let me correct juan. quinnipiac poll for example in late september was 48%. to impeach the president. today it's 45. a three-point drop. the growth in those that said they shouldn't impeach the president went from 46 to 51, it's a total of an eight-point shift in favor of not impeaching the president. i don't think juan is factually c

sitting there with her husband and former president george w. bushd he started with that steege. i remember praisess about carnae in the street and george bush turned to her, that was some weird s-h-i-t. remember when we thought that would be shocking? >> most of the country having the same reaction at the same exact time. that was weird. wasn't it? look, i love this hillary clinton. sei she's 72. she is rich, doesn't need to prove anything. she's not running again for anything. she is liberated, unplugged, unfiltered. i feel like a hillary clinton you could be having a drink with and telling stories. the truth, she's got very interesting stories to tell. she's led a fascinating life, and i'm glad she's gotten to this point where, she can do this and get it all off her chest and not have to feel restraint. this woman, remember harks been first lady of arkansas. first lady of the united states. senator. secretary of state. candidate. so for decades, for decades, she has been -- >> had to color within the lines. >> constrained and within, having to col

democrat i think we want to be seen rightfully so as a leader of the free world and you know george w. bush was bill clinton was barack obama was a people don't have that respect for donald trump he's just too erratic and his foreign policy and he's turned against some of our best allies and embraced some of our biggest enemies how the heck did we get in trouble with canada yeah of all people right. you noticed he started out with a sort of a bromance right with justin trudeau just like he started out with a bromance with emanuel marc wrong larry i was at the white house when we're crossing came for that 1st visit with trump and i'm telling you the 2 of them it was like they didn't get a hotel room right. and yet now both of them they have that both of them are at odds he said i was with both of them i don't get a cat like canada should be our strong ally it is our strong ally and i think it's just silly to pick a fight with canada things political what did you make is come out spilling out. i was sorry to see her go tell the truth you know as a fellow californian. she was our candidate in

i was sitting there just like, wow, couldn't believe it george w. busho me, well, that was some weird [ bleep ]. >> wow >> all right now we know. clinton was on the show promoting the book of gutsy women, which she co-wrote with her daughter chelsea. >>> there are new concerns this morning over hair dyes and chemical straighteners according to a new study published in the "the international study of cancer" women who regularlyize the product or apply them to others might be at an increased risk of getting breast cancer. here is nbc's kristen dahlgren. >> reporter: new concerns over hair dyes and chemical straighteners. a study of almost 50,000 women found an increased 9% risk of breast cancer for those who use permanent hair die and 18% for those who use straightenered as well as for african-american women who had a 45% increased risk if they use permanent dye >> it's possible that the products marketed to black women based on their hair texture and type might be different than the products marketed toward white women. >> reporter: the research can't say

popular vote that the american people did not choose to be the president of the united states george w. bush and donald trump they both happen to republicans i don't care was republican or democrat my position has always been the electoral college. is an anachronism and we have to get and we have to get rid of it just simply one man one person one vote and whoever gets the most votes wins the election bill thanks is always great to see you spending time we covered a lot of time a lot of territory there larry bill for us and thank you audience for joining me on this edition of politicking remember you can join the conversation on my facebook page or tweet me at kings things and don't forget to use the politicking hash tag that's all for this edition of politicking. aeroflot russian and lights. you know world of big partisan new things lot and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the bath shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time t

i believe george w. bush said in his second term that one of his main goals was to invest that money into wall street to get a better return. we all know what happened to the pension funds, once they started doing that all over the united states. so is the united states government considering actually investing in wall street to get a better return on the money that they are stealing from social security? because handing over money to wall street, in my opinion, it is a disaster waiting to happen. your thoughts? president george w. bush wanted social security reform, but i do not think he went far enough. there were other plans where the idea was to let people create individual personal internment accounts where they were putting a certain percentage of their , rather than into social security taxes, they were putting it into broad-based mutual funds to build up their own retirement funds that did not belong to the government, that belonged to them. the idea was that when a person retired, it is from their pr

george w. bush administration, which provided a new lease on life for the national security state after the brief, very brief, moment of public skepticism spawned by the church committee and the failures of the vietnam war. but the global war on terror really brought it back, and it brought back the possibilities for, i would argue, the most serious kinds of misconduct. warrantless electronic surveillance, which is a clear violation of the fourth amendment. torture, and the tortuous legal memos devised to justify them, which is a clear violation of the eighth amendment and the geneva convention. this is -- these are the conventions that dick cheney labeled as quaint. so we are in the presence of various levels of misconduct, it seems to me, ranging from warren harding's encounter with a chamber maid at the palace hotel in san francisco to other more serious matters that involve public policy and larger public impact, and i want to broaden the scope of our discussion to include those larger issues. k

george w. bush, and both of these presidents were engaged in i think serious abuse of power through the institution of domestic spying by the cia, which is clearly against the cia charter, and which was begun under lbj, directed at protesters, aof the vietnam war and other dissents and nixon expanded that program considerably and operation chaos, was finally exposed, by the journalist seymour hirsch in the early 1970s, when he had a brief gig at "the new york times." and his exposures provoked the hearings that were conducted by senator frank church into the misdeeds of the cia. and the committee discovered all sorts of evidence of disturbing misdeed, not only the spying on u.s. citizens who happen to have opposed nixon's policy, but also the successful and presidentially authorized cia coup in chile, the overthrow of the democratically elected salvadore alliande. and what was interesting to me about this is how there is this fusion most of the time, between the presidency, the executive branch, and

umpire of the world trading system is leaving the court this blocking has been going on since the george w. bush administration what is the u.s. is problem with how the w t o operates. the biggest problem for the u.s. is that the u.s. the biggest nation in the world a big trading nation flings it should be treated a bit differently from some other countries that the u.s. interests should be taken more into consideration and there is a point in what the u.s. is saying that the dealings between the w t o and china are sometimes still affected by the rules that came into place a while ago when china was a smaller country the u.s. basically warns china to play by different rules the problem is that the w t o is not the right organization to address that that problem needs to be resolved by the u.s. and the e.u. talking to china rather than by blocking the w t o the normal back and isms over there there are other outstanding cases involving the us particularly in terms of steel and i mean him imports and tires that it's put in place do we know what will happen to those cases if the court system colla

george h.w. bush and gerald r. ford. george w. le of power a man who becomes cia director. party back then. david: jon: jon: that was the highest point in our system. yet you went to the places where the decisions made in those rooms had real-life implications. david: that's right. john and i worked together in newsweek and this was my first cover which really killed my relationship with bob dole. as you remember well. when i first met john, i was meeting with the editor of newsweek who was in 1995 wanting me to work for the magazine and cover the campaign. jon meacham walks and and maynard parker said i would like you to meet jon meacham our nation editor. i thought he was an intern taking coffee orders. he was 25 or 26 years old. you have probably been carded most of your life. jon: i have a bit of hair dye now. i tried to use that. david: at least people have not referred to you as this photo is one of the first we ended up with a fantastic relationship. he is the guy relationship. he is the guy who was picking the pictures that

democrats wanted to make george w. bush a one term president. we were always able to put some partisan concerns aside and move forward together on things that were of concern to the country. with a very rare exception this congress has not been able to do that. host: has the president been able to do that? name-calling, is he doing this? guest: he is speaking the way that many people across america think. they talk amongst their friends in the same tone. he has shown a willingness to work. he worked together with democrats to get criminal justice reform done. he has shown an interest to talk about immigration and lowering prescription drugs. aside the public comments , there is not that much work getting done behind the scenes, and that is where many people are frustrated with washington, d.c. host: is there any chance that the president would remove president pence from the the piece lot? guest: absolutely not. the president has been very clear on that on many occasions. he was asked that in the last couple weeks. absolutely committed to the vi

the country wants to be and what the country aspires to be you know specially remember in the george w. bush years people liked him because they thought they could have a beer with him they didn't care so much about what his policies wore what his politics were what he knew about the world that he didn't know about the world they wanted someone that they saw they saw in themselves they want a president they that they can see themselves in and so this is this is a black mark on america impeachment is basically break glass in emergency and for it to come to this for basically to say. the american people voted for a president that maybe can't be trusted maybe has violated the constitution is not a great statement about where things stand in american politics today ok and briefly looking at next year's election how does all of this affect that. that is a long way off this could be a defining issue in the election next year in november 2020 and in the campaign leading up to that but politics has a very short memory if this trial lasts only a day or a week or 2 weeks in january which is even befor

there were calls to impeach barack obama, george w. bush. nancy pelosi was the speaker. she was in power for a time when president bush was in office. she resisted calls to impeach. overaw that as a dispute policy. it was a dispute over the iraq war. granted, it was a huge mistake, but it was not an impeachable offense. host: we saw those called to testify that did not show up. what makes you think that won't happen on the senate side? guest: they would be defying a subpoena. i would like to see what justice roberts has to say. because you are not supposed to defy a subpoena. weyou and i were subpoenaed, would show up, and if we did not, we would face a fine or possible jail time. why do elected officials get treated any differently? host: republican line from new jersey. susan, good morning. caller: good morning, let me mute my tv. host: we thank you. caller: i just wanted to respond to a comment earlier regarding the impeachment of president clinton and how the congress appeared to be quote, "reasonable." i just wanted to point out that the jig is up. everyone knows tha

with george and laura bush, and then he started on that speech which was so bizarre and that's when i got really worried. and then that carnage in the street and the dark distopian village, and george w was some weird shit. >>> and talking about senator lindsey graham, someone she worked with across the aisle. >> he was good company, funny, self-deposition sel sel self depricating, he was funny, he believed in climate change. >> has he sold his soul to the devil? >> i don't know the answer to that. i think that is a fair question, however. and what i don't understand is how he went from being the friend and confident of the maverick, john mccain, who i didn't agree with politically, but he was a man of integrity, and now i don't know what happened to him. i have not talked to him -- one year, back in a couple years, he wrote a tribute to me, and now it is like he had a brain snatch, you know? >> clinton uncharkt r-- >> ner, never had a lesbian affair? >> never, never even been tempted. >> there was no questions in the sit down between monica lewinsky and the inappropriate relationship she had be bill clinton. she did open up before bill? >> someone you would have considered marrying?

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bakally the strategy of george w. bush and barack obama. of course, it's exactly that to the president said he would walk away from because he was determined to solve this problem. what he's discovered over the past three years is there is a reason this problem hasn't been solved for the past 30 years, because if you are really going to crank up the pressure, as mr. bolton suggests, you are also willing to go risk war and that would mean completely cutting off the oil supplies to north korea and really provoking something bigger. >> right. >> the president doesn't want that. the chinese don't want that. the russians don't want that. so you end up basically creating an atmosphere that tolerates the buildup of the nuclear forces. you know, president trump is not the first one to do that george w. bush used to say to me when i was white house correspondent i won't tolerate a nuclear north korea. well, he tolerated one. >> so we see, so it continues, david, it's great to see you. thanks, guys. >>> coming up, days after fireing a new ceo, new do

i would say the same thing was true of the george w. bush administration. which provided a new lease on life for the national security state after the very brief moment of public skepticism spawned by the church committee and the failures of the vietnam war. the global war on terror really brought it back. it really brought back the possibilities for the most serious kinds of misconduct. warrantless electronic surveillance, which is a clear violation of the fourth amendment. torture and the torturous legal memos devised to justify them, which is a clear violation of the eighth amendment. the geneva convention. these were the conventions that dick cheney labeled as quaint. there were various levels of misconduct ranging from warren harding's encounter with a chambermaid at the palace hotel in san francisco to other more serious matters involving public policy. i want to broaden the scope of our discussion to include these other issues. karen: let me talk to you about this quaint. al gonzalez said this. one of the things i would like to hear you, and then i w

richard haass was the director of policy planning for the state department under president george w. bush, and he's now the president of the council on foreign relations. he believes there are two kinds of trump lies. >> one is to only present one side of a story. >> such as hailing the end to the recent turkish assault on the kurds in northern syria. >> by getting that cease-fire to stick, we've done something that's very, very special. >> instead of explaining that he helped facilitate turkey's attack by withdrawing the u.s. troops who, as part of their duties, were protecting the kurds, a u.s. ally. >> and then you have situations like we saw more recently in the wake of his decision toward turkey and syria where the president stands up and basically says, this is a great success. >> and now people are saying, wow, what a great outcome. >> well, no, that's not the case. >> the case was kurds living near the turkish border with syria lost lives, homes, territory. >> we've done a good job. >> that's not what the president's lead adviser on syria and against isis testified on the hill jus

always said was george w. bush would return dignity and honor to the white house because we knew, saw in the data, the more we talked about impeachment, the more it would bring up bad feelings among swing voters. >> ed: answer that last point from you, chris. >> so when biden runs on let's return to normalcy, that might work. >> he's a democrat, she is a democrat, the democrats are playing games with impeachment. >> to either one of us, knows how the kids are doing. >> ed: prescient you coming in. merry christmas. >> mike wallace from florida and green beret, you fought for this country from africa to afghanistan. if this is why you want to continue public service and get in and run for congress, when you see this idea, chris hahn a democrat says may be nancy pelosi should hand the articles at the state of the union. >> i think we just need to get on, it's been three years now, when i talked to floridians back in my district. for them, this is a continuation of nonstop mueller and russia. we had some kavanaugh, coh

president george w. bush changed the formula by investing u.s. taxpayer dollars in aids treatment.t step and another one, the creation of the global fund to fight aids, to recklessness and malaria, they may have been narrowly focused on two or three illnesses, but they changed the discussion substantially. david: take the two examples you have given, the gates foundation, private on the one hand and george w. bush and what happened with africa. what is it tell you between the intersection between public and private in dealing with global health equity? dr. farmer: it tells me we are insane not to integrate public and private. we did not come to this quickly. it took us a decade of working in haiti to say, to look around and say, the hospital that we have built, which is a private ngo hospital, is answering a great need. but look at all these public clinics and hospitals around that are really shuttered, that are not working. so we decided, again as a collective, that we would -- direct all of our attention to public facilities, hospitals, clinics, whatever. in rwanda, the yield on

i couldn't believe it and george w. bushating interview with howard stern. once again, don't miss cnn's town hall when nancy pelosi moderated by jake tapper at 9:00 p.m. eastern only here on cnn. to our viewers, thanks very much for watching. you can also follow me on twitter and instagram @wolf blitzer and tweet the show @cnnsitroom. erin burnett "out front" starts right now. >>> out front next, don't mess with me. speaker nancy pelosi goes full steam ahead on impeachment. what now? the house assistant speaker is my guest. plus rudy giuliani is back in ukraine and there are pictures to prove it. what's he doing? he says he's working for his client, by the way. why are some democrats moving to the the right? let's go out front. >>> good evening. i'm erin burnett. out front tonight, an impeachment vote is happening. house speaker nancy pelosi taking the irrevocable step in asking for formal articles of impeachment. she said in an article, don't mess with me. despite her announcement this is

. >> ari: i remember when articles of impeachment were introduced against george w. bush, some democrats wanted to impeach george w. bush. this keeps happening. whether it moves forward or not, this is what is so troubling and why i said from the start, the president's phone call was inappropriate, it was wrong, but impeachment has never been the right answer and the democrats now have shot a bullet they can't take back and were they going to do if the president does something really bad? are they going to try to do this twice? that's the problem. >> melissa: absolutely they are going to do it twice, they've already said that. >> ari: and that will be another waste of the nation's time, most likely. >> kennedy: people have fatigue for this sort of thing. it cheapens and it lessens what impeachment is supposed to be and what impeachment is supposed to do and i think you summed it up perfectly. something was wrong here but impeachment is not the answer and i think that's why -- i'm curious to see what marie has to say about this, i think it's why you seen democrats float th

i don't think george w. bush -- compared to trump? >> yes. >> well, sure. well, sure. i mean, if our next president is a single-celled organism, trump's going to look great. >> single-celled -- >> you know, some sort of slime mold. >> uh-huh. >> yeah, no, i don't think so. i'm all-in. chips are all-in on this not being a good one. s if your glasses aren't perfect, we'll fix them. so will we. no we won't. don't forget to use your vision benefits before they're gone. now in-network with vsp. visionworks. see the difference. >>> there is a belief among some democrats and i guess, you know, even maybe a few republicans who appear on tv saying that there will reach a point of critical mass where people will have had enough. do you -- >> i think it's just, we vote in 2020 and we find out some more about our country. we found out something interesting about our country in 2016, and i think we find out every so often in presidential elections is that there's a large group of americans, i don't even think it's necessarily democrat or republican, there's a large group of america

not be, let's bring in wall street journal karl rove, he served as senior adviser to president george w. bushrl, welcome, and the polling numbers seem fixed even though not moving, even though impeachment now seems inevitable, how do you read the public opinion on this? >> well, you put it right, it's closely divided and unchanging before shenanigans began, if you wanted the president impeached, you till want him impeached. if you don't want him to impeach, you are stuck in place. small group of people who are capable of switching opinions with regard to the president, whether or not they end up in his camp or the democratic presidential candidates' camp in november depends less on what happens in front of the judiciary committee and what happens in the senate trial. i think it depends more on whom the democrats nominate for president and whether or not donald trump can disqualify them or whether that individual can somehow say i can unit the country. paul: you know, i talked to a house democrat, ranking house democrat, committee chair who said, you know, we will vote to impeach him on party

have forfeited their jobs and will be terminated to continue to the ninety's and of course with george w. bush went through the roof by now less than 7 percent of private sector workers have unions. the effect is that the usual counterforce to an offensive or highly class conscious business klyce is dissolved. not if you're in a position of power you want to maintain class consciousness for yourself but a limited everywhere else you're back to the 19th century in the early days of the industrial revolution and the united states working people were very conscious of this they in fact overwhelmingly regarded that wage labor as not very different from slavery to the different only in that it was temporary effect of such a popular idea that was a slogan of the republican party. well that was a very sharp class consciousness in the interests of power and privilege it's good to drive those ideas out of people's heads you don't want them to know that they're an oppressed class so this is one of the few societies magicks don't talk about class in fact the national class is very simple who gives the or

the president george w. bush is looking for a more moderate individual to replace sandra day o'connor whose kind of i was kie middle and that this point, john roberts his memos haven't been made public. he's built up a reputation as, you know, fairly moderate in the circuit, he had represented all manners in private practice, said he was an ideal candidate for an associate judgeship, justice should and he was only 50, said he gets named to that and everyone is thinking chief justice william rehnquist has thyroid cancer, he will probably have to step down soon, and president bush was thinking positively elevate justice scalia, possibly look for a more seasoned traversed for the position, but what happened in the interim before justice scalia does die on september 3 is hurricane katrina happened and many of you will remember how we had hundreds, more than a thousand people into providing in the gulf region. president bush [inaudible] for the federal government's involvement in trying to solve the problem in many bl

then they won with ronald reagan and george w. bush so republicans and democrats may wanting to look and say do we care about the next election or do we care about the next generation of elections? this is going to frame the identity for each political party for years to come. >> yeah. obviously the difference is a time here, right. with president trump's almost but certain impeachment trial, that's going to happen right before a general election. laura, to you. we know that as we've been watching these impeachment proceedings have really united the republicans rallying around president trump. but when it comes to the impact on independents and voters in these battleground states, are we seeing it move the needle in anyway. -- any way. >> since the hearings have started, the fact that it is at 50% is very high actually for this point in an investigation or in a proceeding. it was never that high for bill clinton during his impeachment. so that's something that is bolstering democrats as they move ahead to this and when you look at inde