the optics of the situation, like george w.h. bush vacationed at kennebunkport while saddam hussein and iraq had invaded kuwait. bush said, vowed, that he would not be tied down to a dictator's schedule, that he would go on with his own very active vacation, and for 25 days, that's exactly what he did. >> as we do this interview, the end of august, and president obama coming off his vacation, he was criticized by a number in the press and elsewhere about the number of rounds of golf he played. in your book, you write that president kennedy, you call president kennedy a stealth golfer. what did you mean by that? >> he was a stealth golfer that e he was fully aware president eisenhower had been blistered for the amount of time he spent on the golf course. eisenhower was an innes incident golfer. e really, really loved it. and because of him, thousands of americans took up the game, but kennedy kept that game out of public sight, even though those who knew him knew he was a quite able golfer with a natural swing and a powerful, ut somewh

started a conversation leading to goals 2000 under clinton and that was then picked up again under george w.h. bushith no child left behind. so we saw a sort of transition from focusing on giving more inputs to sort of thinking what do we expect from education, what are the kind of outcomes we want and how do we get them? and so the law changed as a way to focus more on holding localities accountable for the outcomes rather than just looking at how they're spending the inputs. >> host: so one of our viewers on twitter watched that johnson speech and wrote: our classrooms are still overcrowded, the curriculum outdated, teachers underpaid one and qualified. what exactly changed? what would be your response? >> guest: well, i think a lot of things changed in the sense that, you know, we have a focus on serving all chirp that we didn't have -- children that we didn't have prior to the act. there were a lot of children not being served and not being served well. it certainly focuses on issues of civil rights, so i think there were some who would argue that were it not for eses, we would not have desegre