and second, you have this fellow named george wallace. the segregationist governor of alabama running the third party. getting votes of northern democrats, many of them labor union people and campaigning as conservative in his own right. so what does buckley do? he says the only thing about buckley, let me tell you a call for the welfare populace. he says let's look at the budget. for every federal quote - program 60 percent of the alabama budget, he's a fake conservative. the only thing he does to get people supporting him in a big way is he doesn't want that people to get benefits. any calls from the phone and he says the conservatives want fewer programs, less government and they don't want -- and he write this article. if those of you that support george wallace in place of a conservative and say. [inaudible] buckley counters this. he says if you look at how he is governed alabama and of president - that makes nixon respectable the second time. >> tina was always remarkable for me to think that that george wallace was competing with w

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and second, he had this fellow named george wallace. the segregationist governor in alabama running on the third-party ticket.and getting votes of northern democrats.many are in the labor union. and campaigning as a conservative in his own right. because he is tough on law and order. what does buckley do? he says the only thing george relish is a right-winger on is race. let me tell you why. because the welfare populace. and he says let's look at the budget. for every federal program, 60 percent of the alabama budget is coming from washington. he is a bit conservative. the only thing he does to get people supporting him in a big way is he doesn't want black people to get benefits for any of the -- and he calls him a phony. and he says will conservatives want fewer programs, less government and they don't want racial tensions. and he writes his article. those of you supporting george wallace calling themselves a conservative -- vote for me. but when consciousness and there's a lot of difference. if you look at how he's governed alabama a

george wallace is someone who attention inlot of lake, in part because he is -- has a strongly populist voice as a candidate in 1968. he had a messaging about personal freedom and anti-elite message that is very reminiscent of the message that donald trump used so effectively in 2016. trump and wallace were very different people with a, very different histories. wallace's campaign, just like trump, appeals to this populous interest and this notion of the people versus the powerful. that these experts and pointy head people who got us into this mess in vietnam and tell us all of these things are good for us, they do not know better. why do all of these college professors in washington. cap -- bureaucrats know what's what? we should not have these people missing in our lives. wallace is a southerner. he was a former governor of alabama. governor inlabama 1958 and lost. he ran as a racial moderate. he learned his lesson from that loss. morehe needed to be much strident on race and the preservation of segregation. in 1962 he ran again for alabama become aand one and staunch vocal and nation

and one major contender is george wallace. george wallace is someone who has gotten a lot of attention of late partly because he is a strongly populist voice, as a candidate in 1968 and afterwards , and had messaging about personal freedom and the kind of anti-elite message that is very reminiscent of the message donald trump used so effectively on the stump in 2016. they are very different people, but wallace's campaign like trump's appeal to the populist interest in this notion of the people versus the powerful, that these excerpts, the pointy head that got us into this mess in vietnam and tell us things that are good to us, they don't know that. why do the college professors and bureaucrats know what is what? we should not have been missing in our lives. wallace of course is a southerner. he was a former governor of alabama. he first ran for alabama governor in 1968, and lost. .e ran as a racial moderate he learned from that loss he needed to be much more strident on race and the preservation of segregation. in 1962 he ran

you can't be tha beat that kindy that come around and second, a fellow named george wallace, segregationist governor in alabama running another party. getting both the northernndemocr democrats and campaigning as a conservative in his own mind what does he do, the only thing that he does is win the race let me tell you why because the welfare populace. he says for every kind of ath program, 60% of the budget is a fake conservative. the only thing that he does toly get people supporting him as ara big way they don't want to get benefits in washington and he calls him a phony. wr writes his article for the magazine. calling yourself a conservative [inaudible] you look at the minorities and others. that makes nixon respectful a second time. >> is remarkable to think back that george wallace was competing with whom in the northern states for the labor unions with robert f. kennedy competing with robert f. kennedy that is the situation. that brings up the racial issue. buckley wasn't a racist, he was the guy that drove it out of the conservative movement and said there is no room for you here. t

he was more subtle because george wallace was running as an independent canada saying everything blatantly. nixon comes across as the candidate who obelieve said in a lot but didn't say it. they were both aimed at resentiment in voters. there is a wonderful quote in the book describing nixon as growing up with life being flawed. i wanted to take it back to where that sense of insecurity began. >> i had a hazy concept of nixon's childhood and upbringing before i went into this. i knew he came from an inpoverished home. they were clouded by the house and senate race. then of cous there was the famous checker speech when picked by eisenhower as the vice presidential candidate and accused of lining his pockets with money from wall street donors. he talked about this family dog and reached out and said we are not giving up the dogs because the girls love it. it was an awful childhood. his father was brutal and his mom was closed, reserved, religious figure who would retreat into her closet to pray when he wasn't working the long hours her father required at the family store. nixon confessed nev

standing, being in the car with my uncle on the way back from school, it was election day, and george wallace about to be elected governor of alabama and my 6-year-old self knew that wasn't good for black people. there were lines and lines of black people voting. so i said, wallace can't win if all these people vote. he said, no, we are minority. he will win. i said, then why do they bher? he said, because they know one day that vote will matter. and i've always seen people around the world doing that, and i think people are attracted to it. so there is a moral case for supporting people who want the same benefits that we have. we are safer when we support democratic development as well. >> woodruff: you were one of the major advocates for rex tillerson being hired to be the secretary of state and the president is proposing a 25% cut in the budget of the state department. are you concerned? >> well, i don't think you will see cuts of that magnitude. let's remember, the administration proposes, be but it's the congress that authorizes and appropriates. and i think you're going to have to see s

lines of black people waiting to vote and i said to my on-call, well this must mean that man george wallace can't win. i knew in my own way that we probably did not want him to win. so my uncle said oh no, he said we are a minority so he is going to win. i looked at my uncle and i said then why do they bother? my uncle said because they know that one day that vote will matter. as i went around the world secretary of state and i saw long lines of liberians or afghans or iraqis, south africans in latin america, people voting sometimes for the first time, thought to myself they know that one day they'll vote will matter. we are blessed with this extraordinary gift of democracy. in particular we are blessed with founding fathers who understood and institutional design that would protect our liberties, our right to say what we think and to worship as they pleased to be free from the secret police that night, to have the dignity that comes with having those who were going to govern you have to ask for your consent but if we were blessed with that and we believed we were endowed via our creator wi

malone and hood at alabama, they had to push george wallace out of the school door, school-house door had to do that. wasn't quite as tough, but they did it. they were the ones that did it. jack kennedy, when he went on television in june of 1963, and said it's as american as the -- as our founding documents and as moral as the scriptures. he said this is it. martin luther king was blown away by it. nixon was the one who was very good on civil rights, a member of the naacp. friends of whitney young, friends of king. really tried to get rid of the filibuster law. nixon was very good as a quaker on civil rights. then blew it away when he decided he could get the white south in '60 and '61. >> what do you see briefly as the highlight tonight on your broadcast? >> the number one thing you said in the preview was this is going to be the first time -- president obama will speak to the whole country in a major speech since we have watched this whole trump mania going on now for months now. it's the first time he's gotten to react to it. i assume he will. it may be cloaked but it will be pret

june of 1963, president kennedy responded to governor george wallace's failed attempt to stop integrationthe university of alabama with a major speech to the country on civil rights. >> we are confronted primarily with a moral issue. it is as old as the scriptures and as clear as the american constitution. the heart of the question is, whether all americans are to be afforded equal rights and equal opportunities. >> his brother robert kennedy linked the struggle for racial progress to his own family's progress in the face of prejudice against irish catholics back in the earlier century. he told the voice of america, for example, quote, there is no question about it, in the next 40 years, a negro can achieve the same position that my brother has. wasn't a bad prediction, evan thomas, 40 years from 61 would have been 2001, president obama elected 2008. is that within the margin of error. >> what jfk did, we forget the south was the base of the democratic party. and for a politician, the president of the united states to say, good-bye, say good-bye to his own base, to do the right thing, by

he had george wallace running as an independent candidate for president who is saying everything blatantly so nixon can come across as the candidate who believes in a lot of things but didn't have to say it because he can seemed like the moderate voice of reason. his campaign was very different but both were aimed at the sense of resentment in the voters. >> there is a wonderful quote in the book describing nixon as growing up with a life that was flawed. i wanted to take it back to where that started. where that sense of insecurity began and why and how it played out through his political career. >> i had a very hazy concept of nixon's childhood and his upbringing before i went into this. i sort of knew he came from something of an impoverished home and that he had shown remarkable resilience and audacity in winning his races in california. they were clouded by allegations of redbaiting of both the house and the senate race and then there was the famous checker speech when he was picked as the vice presidential candidate and accused of patting his own pockets with money from wealthy donor

i said to my uncle, well, this must mean that man wallace, george wallace can't win. i wouldn't when my six-year-old ways that we do not want him to win. so, michael said oh no, we are minority, so he is going to win and i looked at michael and said, then why do they bother? and they said wide and he said because they know one day they know the vote will matter. i saw long lines of liberians are iraq is in south africans people voting sometimes for the first time. they know that one day that but will matter. we are blessed with this extraordinary gift, democracy. americans in particular were blessed with founding fathers who understood an institutional design that would protect our liberties, our right to say what we think of worship as we please, to be free from the secret place at night, to have the dignity that comes with those having to governor you to ask for your consent. but if we were blessed with that and we believed we were endowed by our creator with those rights, it cannot be true for us and not them. one of the marvelous legacies of the united states of a

was up for election, and there were long lines of blacks voting i knew that george wallace was bad forof us, got to win this election -- a minority, why -- and he said because one day that vote will matter. they believed that vote will matter. and i have always carried that with me that around the world, people when given the chance they believe that vote will matter so i ♪ there's nothing more important than your health. so if you're on medicare or will be soon, you may want more than parts a and b here's why. medicare only covers about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. you might want to consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like any medicare supplement insurance plan, these help pick up some of what medicare doesn't pay. and, these plans let you choose any doctor or hospital that accepts medicare patients. you could stay with the doctor or specialist you trust... or go with someone new. you're not stuck in a network... because there aren't any. so don't wait. call now to request your free sion gui

people like george wallace ran against the pointy headed bureaucrats with their peanut butter sandwiches. remember? it's easy to make fun of people that work every day, but they're going to do their jobs. >> they are going to do their jobs. but i do think it's probably wrong to think now we have the special counsel named, so this can die down and we don't have to pay attention to it for a year while this is going on. >> what do you mean? fred hyatt is writing the editorial right now? >> it was written before i left the office. but congress has a role here that's separate from the role of prosecutors, which is to get to the bottom of what happened not as a criminal matter but as an intelligence matter and a national security matter. they can't give up their role either. >> it's hard to consume all this as quickly as we did, but we do chug alug this news these nights. they all break at 5:30 at night. it's like thunder clapping here. thank you, everyone. let me finish tonight with trump watch for wednesday, may 17th, 2017. tonight the president of the united states has a tail on him. the u.

wallace from george mason university, we appreciate you joining us. he'll be back in the 6:00 hour. tweet us with #sugarfree and #nbc4dc. >> picture it, a sandwich with eggs, back con and a calf fep nated bagel. >> too much carbohydrates. it's called espresso buzz bagel. 32 milligrams of caffeine. einstein decided to launch its bagel. anyone visiting the shop will receive a free espresso buzz bagel. i'm going to stick to regular bagels and have coffee with my bagels. >> you can't have one -- >> only worth 1/3 of a cup. you need three of them. >> some people don't like >> and all the carbs. >> exactly. we have a crazy, rainy morning coming our way for your friday. be ready to grab the big bumper chute. it will be wet all over the area, breezy. it is going to turn chilly and cold by may standards. 61 with the rain drops coming into town. 58 in manassas. 58 in mart continuesburg. heaviest and steadiest between now and sunshine. after noon the steady rain will be gone. likelihood of afternoon thunderstorms coming around. stay weather alert. have your nbc washington app ready to go. low

taylor wallace is a professor at george mason.the questions, of course, is the whole idea of naturally occurring sugars versus added sugars. >> big difference, right? >> right. is the difference is when you bite into an apple or fruit or vegetable your body has to digest that. your body has to do the work to get the if you consume added sugars, a soda, the sugar hits your system quickly. >> apple better than quickly. >> gary nelson asked on facebook i seem to get myself drinking those flavor packs and they claim to be sugar free. how good are they actually? >> i think the flavor packs are perfectly fine. they don't really add any nutritional value but study after study has shown the artificial sweeteners are safe. >> on the sugar free challenges can you use sweet n low, splenda? i've been doing without and it's terrible. >> absolutely. they're perfectly safe. >> what about the idea if you use artificial sugars and drink sugars more? >> well, no, there's no research that supports that. >> there you go. >> all right. dr. wallace, we

nicole wallace, the commune tigss director under george bush says he claims if you know you are sayinggs that are not true -- you work for the american people here. do you owe it to yourself and to the country to not say it. >> you are only as effective as your credibility. once you rue wib credin credibi are not an effective spokesperson. i worked at the white house and i had a similar. it is my own credibility. it is my own name that's at stake. and, so, when president trump sends his surrogates out, the president knows he's ruining their credibility and ruining his own credibility which matters in the long term. this made this week harder. because he lied during the first hundred days, when they came out and said this is why we're hiring comey, a lot of people didn't believe them because they have just a record of being dishonest. i don't know how you correct it. >> alex and tim both say this is not a communications problem, this is about the substance. it is like if i open a restaurant, john, and the restaurant has a rat infestation and i say the problem is the marketing, the sign

george w. bush and kim wallace served under barack obama. i've heard, not only this trip but the last couple of trips down here, a growing concern we have a people problem. an infrastructure in government issue. meaning there is simply not enough people in the important mid level jobs and any of the departments, write legislation, draft bills, talk about and get things done. to get done. can you believe we have that issue? >> it is a fact. the president nominated 10% of his president appointees and confirming 5% of them. that's a limitation and driving the agenda from the white house and the speakers although capitol hill is willing to jump in. i think the other people problem is relationships from within the parties. >> and what president will say though, kim, is that you know what, democrats are stonewalling. we can't get anybody confirmed. >> been there, done that. it was a very tough slog getting president obama's nominees confirmed in the first year, year and half, and especially treasury. that's just a fact of life in washington. that'

george w. bush, the nicolle wallace. >> wow! >> stop it. is awesome. >> so nice. >> hit the ground running. are you having fun? >> yes. fun is had between 4:00 and 5:00. it's the other hours. >> it's a civilized hour. >> it's a lovely hour. you should come visit. do i serve tea? if you come, i will serve you tea, brew it myself, steep it six minutes. >> we'll start again with what happened last night in montana's special congressional election. ben jacobs, reporter for the guardian, approached gian forte. >> what could go wrong? >> gian forte body slammed him and broke his glasses, he says. here is an audio that the guardian released. >> cbo score. you were waiting to make your decision about health care before you saw the bill. >> we'll talk about that later. >> there might not be enough time. >> speak with shane, please. >> i'm sick and tired of you guys. the last reporter did the same thing. get the hell out of here. get the hell out of here. last guy did the same thing. are you with the guardian? >> yes, and you just broke my glasses. >