he is taking on george wallace, the segregationist governor of alabama, and pushing that pro-segregationistiewpoint to the side of the conservative movement. here in this clip, he's talking about populism and conservatism. let's take a look. >> great. >> buckley goes on to call wallace an imposter. he calls out his racism. and later in his life, buckley looked back and he said, "expelling the cooks, conspiracy theorists, racists, bigots, and anti-semites from the movement was one of his proudest achievements. >> that's exactly right. and, unfortunately, that expulsion was not permanent. they have come crawling back. and if you think about historical antecedents for donald trump, it's hard to find any in terms of u.s. presidents, but there are some figures in american history, and the one that i would point to is george wallace. i mean, donald trump has just run, i would say, the most openly racist political campaign in america since the days of george wallace. and both trump and wallace said that they were populists, that they were channeling the will of the people, but they also tried to t

what george wallace said, segregation then, segregation, okay. george wallace said after he had run a moderate campaign and lost, i will never be out -- again. what has happened in the republican party with its takeover, do a bit of quick history. in 1964 we had the passage of the civil rights act. 1965 a passage of the voting rights act coming out of the civil rights movement. the southern democrats are going what are we going to do? i can't be in a party that believes any quality, that says african-americans have citizenship rights, there is no place in this party, they should have shriveled up. but no. instead the republicans said come. we have a home for you and the gop. the reason is the republicans believed this was a wonderful underlines the southern democrats, anti-civil rights movement, all of that, we can contain it but they released that toxin into their party and it began to take over. you saw republicans moving further and further to the right. when you began to look at their platforms, began to look at the ways their candidates have

troops but hopes to avoid violence. >> i have a statement to read. >> the kennedys knew that george wallace a dangerous fool, but a fool. and they basically stage an event that allows wallace to stand in the schoolhouse door, and they're setting up a confrontation that makes wallace fulfill his vanity but really works in favor of the kennedys because he looks ridiculous to the rest of the country. >> i take it from that statement that you are going to stand in that door? >> i stand in front of this statement. >> wallace has been allowed to say his piece but still refuses to move. >> away from the door. he is stepping aside. governor george wallace has stepped aside. >> only as he's faced with 100 federal troops does the governor back down. >> five minutes after the governor leaves, james hood is the first of his race to become a university of alabama student. he is followed into the registrar's office by vivian malone. >> i think that it was a turning point. at some point you say that's enough. >> confronted with the violence, the standoffs and the fundamental injustice, the kennedys realiz

he sounds like george wallace. a lot of republicans are incredibly uncomfortable with that. >> think of how much president trump upended these republican philosophies on so many issues. trade has been one of the biggest tension points between the classic republicans on capitol hill and the president himself. that's where a lot of fights have come from. he has perhaps taken many foreign policy actions where republicans ha republicans have disagreed. he sees what's working and the tack to the base issues that he sees in meeting the supporters at his rallies where his people are excited and they come over. >> 2014 has an exclamation point on it. he is accelerating the demographic and geographic divides that have been erroring. take one example. democrats ran about seven points better among college educated whites than non-college educated whites. that nearly doubled. in this election, nbc "wall street journal" yesterday also all three of them, democrats are running 20 points better among college educated white than no

george wallace when he found out after leaving alabama the most interesting chapter going to wisconsin to give a speech he got all these people he stood up university off alabama for a stunned she knew wasn't going to work that made him a natural figure and he was shocked when he went to wisconsin and he found all these people who are e interested in his message. he had figured something out. cultural issues people were concerned about the change in depth about the direction of the country, that is powerful stuff. before we go to the next event i want tobe make sure we mention e one you mentioned which is ross perot, but when i hear the word populism i think immediately huey long of louisiana. louisiana. >> nothing is more fun, he is the most awful human being just as crooked, cruel, corrupt, awful. but in his suit behind the bar, colorful, crooked and i would just say this about populism. there were plenty of people that knew he was a crook and voted for him anyway or support him anyway because they believe he was on their side. they didn't think he was a good guy he thought he was th

[inaudible] what i didn't understand is the extent that you like george wallace infiltrated the party and when i make this criticism, and i often hear from outraged trump supporters who say george wallace was a democrat. well yes, that is true, but you have to understand the history of modern american politics and understand that in the 1960s the two political parties which position on the issue of civil rights whereas of course up until the mid 60s the democratic party had been the party of segregation and the republican party had been the party of lincoln starting in 1964 when the republicans nominated barry goldwater who had opposed the great civil rights legislation, the republican party them became the party of white resistance to desegregation and if you ask yourself what would have it been like to have george wallace as president of the united states, i have to say the answer is sitting in the oval office right now because i think donald trump is the most openly racist american politician since george wallace and that's saying something. >> the gentleman seated in the corner. [

hubert humphrey has stepped into harry truman's boots while technics and and george wallace are wearing the boots of julian strom thurmond. the choice seems very much the same. the democratic campaign began one humphrey clearly and firmly told his staff where he stands on the issues. >> i want somebody to say that humphrey's ideas are good and i guess i disagree with you and argue about my ideas. because when they start arguing about my ideas, they will do so with respect. they may not vote for you, that you have them on the argumentative line, and that is what i want. not whether he is old hat, new hats, whether he can be his own man and all that cheap journalistic bunk, but let's get on -- let's get this argument elevated. we just got to make it crystal clear that the president of the united states and his ambassadors are making a determined major massive effort to find honorable peace in paris. the peace of the world is going to depend on the capacity and ability of the soviet union and the united states to maintain a mutual respect for each other and see there is not a major confron

george wallace, what he found after leavingav alabama, the mot interesting chapter in this, going to wisconsin, 19 sick before, he had been in wisconsin to give a speech and he found all these people who are digging in. he was a very controversial figure thing people -- he are you stood in the door at the university about a to prevent aggression, it was a start and he knew it wasn't going to work. it made him a national figure. he was shocked when he went to his concert. he found all that these people were interested in his message. when he goes back, and runs in 1964, he figured something out. cultural issues, transcend economic issues, they transcend a lot of things. people concerned about change, people upset about the direction of the country, that's powerful stuff. >> before we go to our next event, to make sure we mentioned to populace. one you mentioned, which is ross perot, but when i heard, the word populism, i think immediately of he of louisiana. >> he we long, i should have paid for the privilege of writing about him. nothing is more fun, he's the rottenness, most awful h

anybody remember george wallace? >> he had some crazy ideas and wanted to go back way worst than what the times are. >> so a former governor of alabama. what you think the former governor of alabama is thinking in the 1960s? >> in the 1960s, someone from alabama is not going to be for integration or even support what the protest are about. they want what they want the way they want it, and very old- school. >> in fact, the less place that we! last place that we see george wallace standing in the door of alabama in 1963. no african-americans are allowed. he is carted off by the sheriff and by the u.s. marshals, and people are allowed in. he is a reprobate and let's cut back on this federal government and their uses of segregation. anybody know who his running mate is? his running mate is curtis lemay. so what can you say about this ticket? >> there is going to be law and order everywhere. >> we will pound the hippies back to the stone age. wallace is always good for coffee and he said the only four letter word that th

his name is george wallace. anybody remember george wallace? >> alabama. crazy, crazy right wing, wanted to go back to way worse than what times were. i'll give you law and order at the bayonet. >> so a former governor of alabama. what do you think former governors of alabama are thinking in the 1960s? yes? go ahead, kia. >> in the 1960s, someone from alabama is not going to be for integration or even support what the protests are about. they want what they want the way they want it. >> oh, yeah. >> in very old school. >> very old school. in fact, the last place that we see george wallace is standing in the door of the university of alabama in 1963 saying? >> no black people allowed. >> no african-americans allowed. at which time he's carted off by the sheriffs or by the u.s. marshals and people are allowed in. so he is sort of retrograde. let's cut back on this federal government and their issues of segregation. anybody know who his running mate is? his running mate is bombs away curtis le may. oh, that guy. so what can you say about this ticket? george w

george wallace is crazy, but curtis la may even embarrassing wallace. basically wallace is the inheriter of strom thurmond and the 1948 dixiecrats. but he holds steady. what you see in august, what does the race look like? can you read the graph? what did the convention do to humphrey's numbers, help him? no. in august he's down 16 points. but what do you see happening? he's closing. by the time of the election, it's within one percentage point. nixon's out campaigning, and i love this picture. because it sets up what i'm about to talk about. one of my favorite signs is this one. character is your qualification. some of you laugh, because you know what's coming. and that brings us to this part, right up to the election. whether it's a matter of treason or not, the chinault affair. many don't know what that was, but anna chinault just passed away last week. so this woman was 94, but he was right in the middle. and the wife of famous head of the air force, the flying tigers during world war ii, had come to the united states and had become a prominent repu

george wallace, not for good race relations in america. at the end of the day, the movement happened. there was this particular governor who is a demagogue can leave that demagogue figure for five years. -- demagogue figure for five years. you can be as confident about that with president. finally, it's what you said, coming together of trump as president, with the social media phenomenon, and the politics and the media in the echo chamber problem in all of this stuff is just, bad luck, maybe it's not luck. it indicates having a perfect storm. it would have less ability to be a successful demagogue. fox news, not to blame fox entirely, but just as an analogy, fox news, the social media websites josh is mentioning, without trump as president, would be doing stuff and some congressman would be echoing them and some people would be talking about it and it would be, what about this? it would be like the bush and obama years. most of the parties went about their business. coming together of the demagogue with the social media and try -- and tri

john mccarthy, george wallace, you name it. right and left, would say. we have not had a demagogue become president and that's qualitatively different. a senator can cause some problems in the country for three or four years. policy. up our foreign , he's end of the day marginalized, eisenhower takes care of a quietly. the senate rebelled against him and people got sick of it and five years after mccarthy you could write a history of american foreign-policy from 1945 to 1985 and he probably be pretty short. conclude at the end of the day he really didn't make much difference. a senator. george wallace, not for good race relations in america. day, thed of the movement happened. there was this particular governor who is a demagogue can leave that demagogue figure for five years. -- demagogue figure for five years. you can be as confident about that with president. finally, it's what you said, coming together of trump as president, with the social media phenomenon, and the politics and the media in the echo chamber problem in all of this stuff is just, bad

after he was shot, george wallace was the person they awarded. i was dumbfounded by that phenomenon. my point being somehow those two men had a connection to people that they saw in each one and i was amazed by what happened when kennedy was shot and suddenly posters for not following the neighborhood. >> is always staggering to your stories like that. it really is. 1968 was the year i was born. i didn't get a chance to experience directly but i hear a story along those lines. one thing that is really interesting and really important and central to my story is that the democratic party back in that day had the people who are the most fluid probably come in the people who were supporting kennedy, the antiwar people in the same party who were frankly bigoted, who were behind george wallace at that time. the key thing that's happened in politics as the left and the right have gotten sorted out into different worldviews. you used to be able to look at the other side in the people who are like you. you know, republicans have their share of fluid peopl

juxtaposed with that is this .mage of george wallace he is campaigning for the presidency as an independent. represents the america of old. you do not often have this kind of juxtaposition. we were wondering how to lay this out. not typically a presidential candidate. years later she would run for president. paper, you kind of wonder how they are going to lay out. things seemed to fit. above them are the two democratic candidate. the small image you see at the is richard daley. this was a very memorable convention. not so much what happened in the convention hall, but the police brutality outside the convention. new that it might be -- mayor daley knew that it might be contentious. chaos anded about the the protesters. at least no say was one was killed. there were many arrests. this -- heavy in handedness from the chicago police department. this is by the same artist that did the landsman. it is a different cover. very different. move from the democrats to the republicans. richard nixon was running again. iner losing to john kennedy 1960. he would emerge the winner. his partner, his runnin

is thised with that image of george wallace for governor of alabama. he is campaigning for the presidency as an independent. he represents the america of old. you don't have this juxtaposition. we were wondering how to lay this out. she wasn't typically presidential candidate. later she would run for president. on paper when you ladies things out you kind of wonder how they are going to lay out. wall ity get on the doesn't seem to fit. above them are the two democratic candidates, hubert humphrey and his private presidential candidates. is the small image you see richard daley, the mayor of chicago. this was a very memorable convention, not for so much of what went on in the convention protest and student the police brutality outside of the convention. new it might be contentious. and he was right. asked about the this, he onlyof could say at least no one was killed. andthere were many arrests much heavy handedness from the chicago police department. artist thathe same did the rk. very different. we move from the democrats to the republicans. he would

curtis lemay, george wallace is crazy the curtis lemay embarrasses wallace. you can watch lectors and history every weekend. basically wallace is the inheritor of strom thurmond. they are splitting off of southern democrats. he holds pretty steady but what you see the race in august, what does it look like? graph? read that basically wallace is the inheritor of strom thurmond. what did the democratic convention due to humphrey's numbers? help the? no great in august, is down 16 point straight what you see happening. -- but what do you see happening? he's closing. by the time of the election, it's a within one percentage point. nixon was out campaigning i love this picture. it is cents about talk about. the favor one of my signs as this one. characters or qualification. some of you laugh. if you know what's coming. characters or qualification. us to this part right up for the election, whether it's a matter of treason or not, the chennault affair. many americans don't know what the chennault affair was with a rational died this week. she passed away last. this

genius with a first rate demagogue and perhaps unmatched in american history that those like george wallace none of them became president so you cannot underestimate his ability and you see that with the hysteria right before the midterm with caravan with those with short-term memory loss. and then with the previous caravan we were not invaded by those barbarian words nothing happened so he can play 2 feet - - fear and hatred and loathing. and the other point i would raise quickly is that how i feel about democrats how they feel about the palestinians they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. they are experts to pull defeat from the jaws of victory. they did do a good job this time around but they have two years to screw that up so as the republican party goes to the right democrats could go far to the left so that will exponentially increase the odds of trump getting t reelected they have a once in a generation opportunity to realign politics the way they did to make it the small marginal movement to be, broad ruling party my fear is they will take advantage of that party but

george wallace did it in the '60s self-as his daughter said, she was reminiscing on his rallies and said, daddy's recalls could get right rough, and i mean, chair-throwing, so, it is -- i mean, some people have this gift, the demagogues gift, and trump really has it. he is an extraordinary politician. that is volatile energy. he is gathering, channeling, and surfing, and i wouldn't call it by any means the energy of our better angels. it's very dangerous. >> as someone who lives in texas, could you talk about the current senate race there? >> could i talk but the current senate race there. >> maybe what your involvement has been with it? >> my involvement. in in my involvement is tithing to a particular candidate. i think -- i think beto o'rourke is running a very fine campaign, taking the high road. not taking pac money, talking about things that really matter to people. is sharpening the distinctions between his agenda and the mainstream republican agenda. not going for this kind of swing voter. he is looking to bring lots of new voters interest the process and that's the only hope for

george wallace the segregation governor 60 alabama ends up running a national presidential campaign wherewins the democratic primary in a bunch of northern states. so thela entire nation is very much trying to reckon with this moment of black assertion, and black celebration of african american history and identity, while at the same time, hat is being greeted by significant resistance from not just people who are standing in the streets or trying to be violent against civil rights activists but many of the most prominent white politicians in the country. the roll of music during this period of racial upheaval was absolutely central and was multi-faceted. on the onene hand music reflectd the conversations that were going on. it was central to the way that people were understanding the civil rights movement. it permeated civil rights struggles. it expressed the discontent that was felt by african americans about their second-class citizenship in the united states. it also came to reflect and express white resist toons that. so in a sense the music is a place that people could go to do try

it is hate speech that we thought we left behind during george wallace in the 50s and 60s. >> trump is not wrong that immigration is a more powerful motivator in this mid-term election. i get while he is not just touting the good economy. that's not going to pour people out to the polls the way immigration will. we just put up immigration is more important to republicans. immigration policy actually favors republicans. they were deeply unpopular in lots of voting groups. it's the way he is doing it. he doesn't need to call himself a nationalist. that turns off a reliably republican voting block in the past. suburban women who are well educated and the question, the question of this election tomorrow will be, will the nativist nationalist rhetoric come at the expense of the voting block that will leave this republican party for the near and maybe long-term future. >> suburban women? >> yes, me. i am a white educated suburban woman who leans republican. that is a message that a lot of voters like me are not into. >> what do you think about tonight at the political rally in missouri, the

indiana, that a large number of people who voted for robert kennedy in the primary voted for george wallace in the november election. in effect, what happened was these folks felt pushed from the democratic party, and i think finally, donald trump pulled them in completely. he made them identify as republicans. he said you are not on the margins. you are the identity of the republican party, and that's how i'm going to frame my candidacy and the republican party from here on in. i think we have now seen the complete conversion of those sort of former reagan democrats and hardhats and folks from the 1960's. they are the republican party right now. they are the traditionalists, but where we begin the new arc is in kid of ways. one is millennials and how they are gravitating to the democratic party and the huge margin of the under 30 vote going democratic. the other thing that is interesting is the sort of educated suburbanites, especially women. people go into the suburbs for specific reasons. they want neighbors. they want orderly communities. they don't want anger and rage. they want to be

talk about a vital and important tradition that there are twin lineages when they talk about george wallacee have to respond by talking about henry wallace and when they talk about strom thurmond, we have to respond by talking about the populism of the origins of populism in the country that the white and black farmers said they would equally dispossess. and the movements of the 1950s and 1960s and the movement of the campaign from the last effort he put together and that there is an actual vital tradition fighting in this country and that tradition has been tested and sustained their people that can actually find inspiration the example and the information that we need will suit us in this moment of the crisis that we face right now. i would like to thank the moderator and the speaker. if you want your book signed please come back to the stage. thank you again. >> i am in georgia right now. that is the epicenter of the depression. you are seeing a systematic calling of the electorate to the national voter registration act was put in place to try to open up the voter registration. folks mov

the reason he can't stop talking about immigration and these other issues, he's george wallace with ais what he cares about. he doesn't care about the economy. you think he -- you think he cares about economic growth for working class people? this is a guy who went to pittsburgh and talked about in pittsburgh, about how well he was treated or not. >> people having money in their pockets matters more to voters than immigration does. >> well, maybe, it doesn't -- >> it doesn't stir up the same emotion. >> it doesn't stir up the same emotion. >> and who has money in their pockets, by the way. >> 42% of the country doesn't have $400 available for an emergency. >> we're going into a midterm election. if you are living on the iron range in northern minnesota, in a congressional district that's competitive, you love president trump because he gave you tariffs on imported steel. but if you're living closer to the twin cities and you're a soy farmer, you're voting against president trump in this midterm because of what's happened to soy. you have to not talk about a macro economy, but the impa

george wallace, segregationist governor of alabama in zip running a national presidential campaign whereemocratic primary in whole bunch of northern states. the entire nation is very much trying to reckon with this moment, black assertion and black celebration of african american history and identity while at the same time that is being greeted by significant resistance from not just people who arenc standing in the strees are trying to be violent against civil rights activist but also many of the most prominent white politicians in the country. the role of the music during this time of racial upheaval without fully central and was multifaceted. on the one hand,, music reflected the conversations that were going on. it was central to the way people were understanding the civil rights movement. struggle.civil rights it express that this content that was felt by african americans about their second-class citizenship in the united states.e also came to reflect and express white resistance to that. so in a sense the music is a place that people could go to to try to think and feel through th

mccarthy, george wallace, you name it. right and left, would say. we have not had a demagogue become president and that's qualitatively different. mccarthy is a very good it's in years you getew , some people unfairly accused of things in their careers are up our foreign policy i would say. little craziness for three or four years, that it ended today he's marginalized, eisenhower takes care of a quietly. the senate rebelled against him and people got sick of it and five years after mccarthy you could write a history of american foreign-policy from 1945 to 1985 and he probably be pretty short. conclude at the end of the day he really did make much difference [no audio] you cannot be as confident about that with president. finally, it's what you said, coming together of trump as president, with the social media phenomenon, and the politics and the media in the echo chamber problem in all of this stuff is just public. maybe it's not luck. it indicates having a perfect storm. it would have less ability to be a successful synagogue. -- demagogue. the so

mother against a beating during a voting rightste protest and covering that body to governor george wallace they ran right into the alabama state troopers and we saw that scene on the bridge blood hey. sunday. it was so horrific that abc movie of the week judgment at nuremberg was cut in to show the footage from blood he sunday. the nation was aghast and appalled. with the basic fundamental democracy. how can this happen when people are just trying to vote? coming down to selma and bludgeoned to death to lead the united states to pass the voting rights act of 19651 of the greatest pieces of legislation ever. it worked. in early 1960 the numbers were in single digits and it was almost 60 percent of african-americans the voting rights act work maybe a little too well for some so we start seeing elections andnd african-americans and then there was that election in 2000. remember that election. i knew this was church. [laughter] talk about what happened to down in florida. hanging chads voting machines that can count but i want to take us to missouri so what was right now nearly 50000 voters we

on to win the three-way election, defeating humphrey and george wallace. >> the panel members are -- the detroit free press from detroit. stanley, the editor of the police daily news from detroit. the director of the ecorse community center. mrs. janet claver, a housewife and former schoolteacher from ann arbor. a graduate student and former quarterback at the university of michigan from ann arbor. a dermatologist from grosse pointe park. a public relations counsel from detroit. that is our panel. and now, here is your moderator, budd wilkinson. bud: now, it is my pleasure to introduce a that i have known, respected, and admired for many years. richard nixon. [applause] >> thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you very much. hey, john. thank you very much. thank you very much. thank you very much bud wilkinson, i thank all of our television audience. everyone who hears bud wilkinson abche commentating on sports remembers his great oklahoma team, but i am glad he is on my team. bud wilkinson. [applause] it looks like we are in a winner city. i was taking the tigers and the world seri

we've talked a whole lot about george wallace.t talk about henry wallace and his presidential campaign in 1948, which was cross racial, looking at people who were all at the bottom of the economic pile and saying that we have much more in common than we have that separates us. and there is that kind of legacy, even what we saw with the reverend william barber doing. >> correct woincredible work. >> that is the tradition we should be thinking about. it doesn't have to simply be the kro kavanaugh hearing versus everyone else being excluded. >> make populism great again. >> i appreciate you guys coming in on a friday. can't wait to see "the circus" on showtime. kick it. kick it hard. >>> oprah telling the story of a man who inspires her to vote, a story about a man turned away from multiple polling places and who walked a total of 18 miles only to be told the polls had closed. that man's son joins me next. to and saved hundreds. excuse me... winner! that's a win. but it's not the only reason i switched. hi! geico has licensed agents

we had a 21-year-old who was able to be radicalized like george wallace and no one is asking the questionthe pulse nightclub shooting. we had the most deadly shooting -- we picked up everything at cnn and went to vegas and said we were going to do this and do that. and what's going on in this country didn't begin with barack obama but it came to a head with barack obama is we're having the discussion about race and the blessing about donald trump, whether you love him or hate him, this conversation, we wouldn't be having it if hillary clinton was president so we're at this moment in time and how are we going to address this conversation? it's not black and white. we're more dynamic than that but we have to have a discussion about how we ensure that all people are treated as if they are part of this global economy, all people have an opportunity to succeed regardless of their skin color have an opportunity to feel as if they're part of the american fabric. donald trump isn't the only drum major for that but he isn't the only one who started it, either. >> the anti-definition league say of

we had a 21-year-old who was able to be radicalized like george wallace and no one is asking the questiont club shooting. you look -- we had the most deadly shooting -- we picked up everything at cnn and went out to vegas and said we were going to do this and do that. what's going on in this country -- and it began -- it didn't begin with barack obama, but it kind of came to a head with barack obama as we are having a discussion about race. donald trump, you love him or hate him. we would not be having this discuss if hillary clinton were president. we're more dynamic than that, we're more nuanced than that, but we have to have a discussion about how we ensure that all people are treated as if they are part of this global economy. all people have an opportunity to succeed. all people, regardless of their skin color, have an opportunity to feel as if they are part of this american fabric. donald trump is not the drum major for that, but he's also not the only fault for that. let me stress that as well. >> congressman, the times reporting they reference these stats from the anti-defamation

protest, and was shot to death by law enforcement, as they were carrying that body to governor george wallace in montgomery they ran right into alabama state troopers and jim clark and we saw that scene on bridge bloody sunday. it was so her horrific that abc movie of the week was cut in to show footage from bloody sunday. the nation was appalled. because we hold the right to vote to be basic fundamental to democracy. how can that happen when people are just registered to vote. that plus killing of reverend james who come down to selma and he was to death for believing that black people had the right to vote led the united states to pass the voting rights act of 1965. one of the greatest pieces of legislation ever because it worked. it worked. whereas an early, early 1960s the number of african-americans registered to vote was in the singles in terms of percentage. by 1967, 68 almost 60% of african-americans were register ared to vote. voting rights act worked. i may have worked a little too quell for some folk. [laughter] had had you. this may be a library but that's not a church -- [laughte

have been demagogue but folks like george wallace or mark car the. none of them became president. he actually became president so you cannot underestimate his ability to snow people to con the american public and you saw that with the hit stair ya he generated bright before the mid-term but those caravan, appealing basically to nativists with short-term memory loss because they thought the ginned up the same exact historia in may and there was a previous caravan and nothing happened. not invader by barbarian horrors who marauded mrs.. nothing happened. >> but the quiz hello kitty backpacks are terrifying. >> so he does have an ability to play to people's fear and hatred and loathing, and to snow them with his rhetoric, and so -- the other point i would raise very quickly here is that i feel about the democrats the way that -- felt about the palestinians which is that they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. and they're. >> they're experts of snatching absolutely certain defeat from the jaw of victory. >> i got a -- they did a good job "time" around but have two whole

it's going to be a reach -- >> has anything changed since the days of george wallace? what changed? what's changed? >> politically what's changed is you have a more educated electorate and people have seen this before. >> where is that shown in elections? >> i think we saw what happened in alabama. i'm a daughter of the south. we've seen the south change and we've seen what happened in alabama. >> good point. >> you've seen what happened in georgia and what happened in florida. the african-american -- >> i do think to your point there is a danger in that. kemp won after saying racist things. >> optimism, half full, half empty. the there is a bombshell of the special counsel. according to court filing late tonight, trump's former campaign manager paul manafort is in violation of the terms of his plea agreement which he made in september. quote, after signing the plea agreement, manafort committed federal crimes by lying to the fbi and the special counsel's office on a variety of subject matters. that's in a statement. manafort, however, says that he's provided only truthful informati

and is on the line, humphrey was on the line and a george wallace was on the line.njoyed-- short, what johnson did was elevate everyone to the same status as hubert humphrey during the campaign and when humphrey in early september, said it is possible troops by be able to begin returning in 1969, johnson raced from his ranch to new orleans to address an american legion conference and say no man can predict when troops may come home, completely undercut humphrey and left him feeling for the rest of the campaign everything i say is going to be shadowed by lbj. he also cursed him out. nixon sent the reverend billy graham to see lbj, gave him a long message which basically said if i'm elected i will never embarrass lbj. you will get your rightful place in history and i will give you major credit for helping to bring the war to an end. lbj was taken in. he lived in fear as he told his aides, if mixes is elected-- if nixon is elected he will indict us all. in short, he was afraid of nixon and yet he thought the only way not to be afraid or escape his wrath was somehow to

have not seen in the modern era, something that would be re recognizable to lester maddox or george wallace. what we're going to watch play out over the night is whether trumpism faces its first validation or first repudiation, looking at the early returns, i would bet on repudiation. it will be a long night, we'll see. >> do you feel like republican candidates have a choice as to how they align themselves with trump or not? one thing chuck todd was talking about, republicans had a hard decision to make whether they would stand on a stage with trump, whether they would attend a rally, to put him on their own local races. do republicans have a choice? can they say no to trump and still turn out the republican base enough to compete? >> one of the things i think that we miss in our analysis in our coverage is this. we can't just say the election is determined by the last big event that occurs in the campaign. as opposed to the first meaningful event. when donald trump arrived in washington, d.c. there were three parties. there was an insurgent trump party. a republican party. and a democratic

the only difference between that and the strategy that was used by folks like george wallace and richard nixon was they used codcode ed language like forced bussing. >> let me ad emily jane fox to our conversation. your piece is so relevant to this conversation, to the conversation really taking place all over the country about donald trump trying to main stream his xenophobia, mainstreaming -- we can't even call them dog whistles. it's full-throated racism. and you report about his former fixer michael cohen sort of finding religion and talking about things he heard donald trump say in private. talk about how michael cohen came to this statement about african-americans. >> michael cohen pleaded guilty in counts related to campaign finance violations and tax evasion. he has not spoken on the record since the fbi executed search warrants on his home earlier this spring at the advice of counsel. this is something he has actually listened to. and so he has been watching the president ratchet his rhetoric as we all have over the past couple of weeks. and as he told me earlier this week, he w

just wrote a whole column for tomorrow wondering if there has been a more racist campaign since george wallace in 1968. and i can't think of one. >> me either. >> there hasn't been since then. and it's hard to compare it to wallace who was more circumspect in his bigotry than trump has been. >> how is this where we are? and how is this about race? how is this not a 90/10 issue. how are 90% of americans white, black, brown, men, women, how are 90% of americans not so upset about racism that they're not out marching and protesting all republicans? >> i do have one idea. >> i don't know. you know, i'm not -- i guess i'm not the guy to ask that because -- >> when did racism become like a, oh, it's a toss-up, racism. i don't know. >> it's very complex. but part of it is because the privilege that you receive as a white person, right, you can walk around and not fear the police and that they're going to be violent towards you and there are privileges that come along with walking around with white skin. you can look it up. it's called the invisible backpack, if you wanted to do the academic reading o

george wallace, not good for race relations in america. at the end of the day the movement happened, there is this parenthesis that there is a particular governor who was a figure for 5 to 10 years and a very fraught time, and didn't really change the course of history. i don't know, you can't be confident about that with presidents, and just finally this echoes, you both said i think the coming together of trump as president, with the social media phenomenon, and the tribalist nation of politics and the media, and the echo chamber problem and all of this stuff, is just a loss, but at any case, it is a perfect storm. a demagogue without fox news, without social media, would have less ability i think to be a successful demagogue, fox news and not to blame fox entirely, but fox news and social media, the kind of websites josh was mentioning without trump as president would be doing stuff, and congressman would be echoing them, and some people would be talking about it. and it would be what about this? it wouldn't be like actually the bush an

of america and the issues of race is a book by dan carter called "the politics of rage" about george wallace and how he was able to tap into that backlash. peace in vietnam, infinitely more complex. i really don't think he was truly committed -- now, he'd given the san antonio formula in 1967, but the north vietnamese weren't interested in it. so the peace movement really, i think, begins, one, after the tet offensive and then with the march 31st because they'd been debating the issues. i do talk about this in the book, about how the tet offensive changed the whole dynamic. it led johnson to say we've got to find a just and equitable peace. but still fundamental is south vietnam being able to survive on its own. again, i could go into much greater detail, but it's complexed, it's nuanced. johnson would change his mind after this decision sometimes daily on vietnam. it was whoever he was listening to at the time. walt rossdale, much more hawk everybody than clark clifford. so it was infinitely complex. and so this struggle -- but here's what i always say about johnson, i think the pivotal yea

the incitements racially, this is a campaign that lester maddux or george wallace would have been proud of. we have never seen anything like it in our lifetimes in this country. and for republicans to sit there and to point fingers, they want to point fingers, look in the mirror because two years ago, when donald trump came to washington, there were three parties in the town. there was a democratic party. a republican party. and donald trump. the republicans made the affirmative decision, one by one by one, lindsey graham is the great avatar of them all, to capitulate to it. to surrender to it. the vileness, the meanness, the cruelty, the dishonesty, the assaults on objective truth. the liberalism of it. the assaults on our important institutions from the department of the justice to the intelligence community. the politicization of the military. it is beyond belief. we always look in campaigns and we say the campaigns determine by the last meaningful thing that happened as opposed to the first significant thing that happened, and this election was determined two years ago by the capitu