guest: i think george wallace is understudied. underappreciated in the sense that we are living in a populist moment. the typical partisan lines, republican versus democrat don't fit as much as much as urban versus rural. establishment versus non-establishment. coastal elites versus middle america. these are generalizations and they sound cliche but we are living in a populist moment and donald trump he sensed that. he understood where the country was in 2015 and 2016 which is why his message resonated. there was a crossover between bernie sanders voters who then voted for donald trump of the general election. right now, we are not dealing with fascism. we are not dealing with the why martin germany -- weimar germany. what happens when you think of george wallace? segregation. there were more aspects to his message about the ordinary fellow. he would give speeches and he would talk about the ordinary policeman, the farmer, the mailman. belittled by coastal elites. your values are being denigrated. you have been forgotten in econom

he finally -- his brother decides when george wallace, the governor of alabama, blocks the auditorium and goes to the nerve versatile of alabama so he knows -- he blocks and administrative building so that to african americans ken matriculate the institution. kennedy says, you know what? i'm not going to let him have the stage. i'm going to go and tell him and talk about this. he encourages him to do that. he elevates civil rights to a moral issue. the interesting thing is they don't have enough time to make an address. i don't have enough time to give you a proper address. bob details his, rather speak extemporaneously. speak from your heart. that speech, which is one of his rhetorical highlights, most of it is extemporaneous. that was something that really surprised me, how that came to fruition, how he came to embrace the civil rights movement as a moral issue. >> that's fascinating. he actually listened to his brother over the advice of most of his advisers, right? >> that is exactly right. his brothers tell him not to do it. bobby says, you feel it. go out until the american peop

think he had a marked impression on his brother as well and, finally, his brother decides, when george wallace, the segregation is governor of alabama, blocks the auditorium. stewart went to the university of alabama so he knows as well. blocks an administrative building so that to african americans can't reach circulating to the institution. kennedy says, you know what's, i'm not going to let him of the stage here. i'm going to talk about civil rights. bobby encourages him to do that, he does, that he elevates civil rights to a moral issue. the interesting thing is, they don't have enough time to make an address. ted size and says i don't have enough time to give your proper address. but bobby tell his brother, speak extemporaneously, speak from the heart. that speech, which was one of his rhetorical high points, most of it is extemporaneous. that was something that really surprise me, how it came to fruition, how he came to embrace the civil rights movement as a moral issue. >> that's fascinating. he listened to his brother over the advice of most of his advisers, right? >> that's exactly ri

guest: i think george wallace is understudied. underappreciated in the sense that we are living in a populist moment. the typical partisan lines, republican versus democrat don't fit as much as much as urban versus rural. establishment versus non-establishment. coastal elites versus middle america. these are generalizations and they sound cliche but we are living in a populist moment and donald trump he sensed that. he understood where the country was in 2015 and 2016 which is why his message resonated. there was a crossover between bernie sanders voters who then voted for donald trump of the general election. right now, we are not dealing with fascism. we are not dealing with the why martin germany -- weimar germany. what happens when you think of george wallace? segregation. there were more aspects to his message about the ordinary fellow. he would give speeches and he would talk about the ordinary policeman, the farmer, the mailman. belittled by coastal elites. your values are being denigrated. you have been forgotten in econom

guest: i think george wallace is understudied.nderappreciated in the sense that we are living in a populist moment. the typical partisan lines, republican versus democrat don't fit as much as much as urban versus rural. establishment versus non-establishment. coastal elites versus middle america. these are generalizations and they sound cliche but we are living in a populist moment and donald trump he sensed that. he understood where the country was in 2015 and 2016 which is why his message resonated. there was a crossover between bernie sanders voters who then voted for donald trump of the general election. right now, we are not dealing with fascism. we are not dealing with the why martin germany -- weimar germany. what happens when you think of george wallace? segregation. there were more aspects to his message about the ordinary fellow. he would give speeches and he would talk about the ordinary policeman, the farmer, the mailman. belittled by coastal elites. your values are being denigrated. you have been forgotten in economic

brother's chief aide most trusted and close advisor goes down south to alabama and meets with george wallace and meets with just horrific resistance down there. you know, people are hurling episode him and and treating him certainly not like he's the attorney general of the united states, but interestingly enough a more. poignant episode for bobby kennedy comes when he meets with with james baldwin the novelist and a group of african-american entertainers and artists at bobby. kennedy's father's penthouse. in manhattan and it is a very uncomfortable situation where they're confronting bobby kennedy with the racism that the kennedy administration has not addressed. and they are they they're unrelenting in their criticism of him. and it has the searing impression on him. and he goes back to the white house and at first he criticizes those who are at the party. you know, he talked talks about baldwin and how horrible he is and that he's gay and oh my god, how what a horrendous thing. this is another time obviously. and then he says you know what? if i were in those shoes, i'd be saying the same

we talked a little bit earlier about the 1968 election with george wallace but 1968 was also -- indirectlyelated to this topic, as well. i think 1968, i am a think we should have a before and after 1968 dividing line in american politics. in 1968, humphrey won the democratic nomination without running a single primary. he was the last candidate to do that. a lot of the backers of robert kennedy, mccarthy, were pretty upset that he did that. they started a movement in the democratic party and then eventually nationally, to have more emphasis on primaries and caucuses. the democrats, since they wrote the rules between 1968 in 1972 as a direct result of humphrey's nomination, they gave more power to primaries and caucuses. 1912 and 1968, candidates would run in primaries but it is mostly to prove their mettle, to prove they could get votes. a decision was still made by party leaders by the most part of the convention floor. after 1968 that was no longer the case. 72 with mcgovern he was the first nominee who won his nomination entirely on the basis of primaries and caucuses. i think we don't

nobody really talks about but you know, that was your george wallace obviously ran a really strong third party campaign. and his goal. he didn't think he could win the election, but he wanted to win enough electoral votes in the south running as a law and order candidate and was written in a racial conservative the story be the kingmaker so that then he could negotiate with nixon andrew or humphrey for his electoral votes and it's he was about you know around 20% in the pollster a lot of the year until he faded near the end and when you know eight or nine ten percent somewhere around there. but it scared the heck out of the country because it became very close to throwing the election into the house of representatives and the country was scared that you know, somebody could do this that somebody came so close to doing this and there was a big movement to abolish electoral college and nixon after he took office in 1969 was in favor of it. i think like 80% of americans were in favor of it the house of representatives voted to abolish the electoral college by an overwhelming. margin. i mean

king or george wallace? the side of john lewis, or bo connor, abraham lincoln or jefferson davis. >> sadly domestic enemy to our voting system and our honoring our constitution are right at 1600 pennsylvania avenue with their allies in the congress. >> maga republicans threaten economic security, threat to our very democracy. >> joe, that is the soul of your party, you are going to lecture us on the soul of the nation? where is your soul standing up to your party? are when will we hear you hold your own party or yourself accountable for the massive failures, wide-open border, crippling high inflation, surging crime in every big city because your pals supported defund, dismantle, no-bail law, record high gas prices you caused and foreign policy, one disaster after another? what we saw from biden earlier today was another election day conversion or election conversion on the issue of policing. biden is trying to pretend he wants to fund the police and understand stas behind law enforcement. hope he feels this

people who tried to become president barry goldwater bobby kennedy hubert humphrey george mcgovern george wallace. runs too so much of the 1960s talks about supreme court justices. it talks about a general or to talks about the towering activists. we associate with the 60s, dr. martin luther king jr. malcolm x but if there's one thing that animates my sense of the past my sense of myself as an historian. is also really believe that ordinary people. are central to history too? ordinary people who we don't know help us understand whose names. we've never heard of help us understand. the past in a new way an ordinary people in the american past change this nation. so alongside all those famous people who run through the shattering. but i also try to do is tell the stories of ordinary people. what i want to do today. so i just want to tell you. four stories and this is the first one. this is the fourth of july 1961. on the 6100 block of west eddy street in the northwest corner of chicago the day before and cahill and his neighbor clarence mitchell draped their block in 38 flags. that's a lot of flags

barry goldwater, bobby kennedy, hubert humphrey, george mcgovern, george wallace who runs through so much of the 1960s. he talks about supreme court justices, a general or two, and talks about the -- we are so see it with the 60s. dr. martin luther keane junior, malcolm x. but if there's one thing that animates my sense of the pass, my sense of myself as a historian, i also really believed that ordinary people are central to history too. ordinary people who we don't know help us understand the past in a new way, and ordinary people in the american past changing this nation. and so alongside all of those famous people who run through the shattering, what also try to do is tell the stories of ordinary people. what i want to do today, i just want to tell you for stories. and this is the first one. this is the 4th of july, 1961. on the 6100 block of west any street in the northwest corner of chicago. the day before, and cahill in his neighbor, clarence mitchell, draped their block in 38 flags. that is a lot of flags given that there are only 36 houses on the entire block. and ed, being e

king or george wallace. do you want to be on the side of john lewis or bull connor.be on the side of abraham lincoln or jefferson davis. >> my whole soul is in this. bringing america together, uniting our people. uniting our nation. and i ask every american to join me in this cause. >> is the most pernicious thing. this makes jim crow look like jim eagle. >> we can see each other not as adversaries but as neighbors. we can treat each other with dignity and respect. >> that's a great asset, more inflation. what a stupid son of a bitch. >> you join forces, stop the shouting and lower the temperature. >> there's thousands of people in america going through that. and these republicans ripped that out of the bill, but we're coming back. >> we must end this uncivil war that pits red against blue. >> trump and the extreme maga republicans have made their choice to go backwards full of anger violence hate and division. >> sean: that does not include what biden said just last week when he told his wealthy donor friends that all maga republicans are semi fascists who hate demo

you can go back to the '60s when george wallace started talking in this manner. richard nixon picked it up. pat buchanan elaborated and enlarged this whole sort of playing field. and donald trump took it over. and every single time republicans talk about crime, they very specifically talk about african american crime that is occurring or is perceived to be occurring in the inner cities. the best example of this is to look at our reaction and response to the opioid epidemic and the crack cocaine epidemic of the 1980s. it's night and day. we tweet to opioid epidemic with empathy, compassion, as a system where we have to look at the roots of this. where the crack cocaine epidemic was lock them up, put them away. >> chai -- yeah, you make a great point. we run a transparent program here. did you know we have a special report tonight on that contrast to opioids? >> i did not, actually. that's actually -- >> how could you? >> pretty remarkable. >> how could you? but it speaks to a linkage. "a," you're speaking along those lines and "b," it's important in the country. w

kennedy had lunch with george wallace. there were dixiecrats in the south leading the last gasp of segregationism with bull connor and all of those people. jackie said that was not ok. i'm going to support a republican. and go back and forth depending on the issues. but he was out there and wanted to be out there and own his opinion and help to have people pay attention to these issues. which he felt were critical and which honestly remain critical today. a lot of what he did and said, you can sort of transfer from him saying it in 1965 or whenever, to now in 2022 and it would make a lot of sense. susan: about eight minutes left in our conversation. i think what i want to do now is actually show the clip from cbs news from the night he passed away. they did a long segment, this is only one short of it. -- one short bit of it. their correspondent talking about jackie robinson. we will watch and wrap this story up. >> the 28-year-old rookie with two bad shoulders and a bad knee played because he felt a right , to, and his od

campaign when former vice president nixon was running against vice president humphrey and governor george wallace from alabama, the environment was really not on anyone's radar. vice president humphrey dedicated a park during that campaign. mr. nixon gave one radio address on the environment, which was actually titled natural resources. it was an interesting address. to paraphrase lincoln, it would have been little noted or long remembered. in fact, it took me some research to dig it up. what is interesting about that address is that it foreshadowed, in a way, a lot of the things that he wanted to accomplish for the environment going -- the address had 12 different points. it included finding a way to combine the federal government 's very different and disparate and spread out activities that's around to the environment into one agency. we also were talking about wildlife preservation and all those sorts of things. that campaign was so focused on vietnam and on prime and all of the economy and on civil rights and other issues. that really did not get much play. in fact, in may of 1969, the white

campaign when former vice president nixon was running against vice president humphrey and governor george wallace from alabama, the environment was really not on anybody's radar screen. the vice president humphrey, during that campaign he dedicated a park and a dam. mr. dickson gave one radio address on the environment, which was actually titled, natural resources. it was an interesting address but to paraphrase liken, it would have been little noted nor long remembered. and in fact it took me some research to take it up. but what's interesting about that the address is that it foreshadowed in a way a lot of the things that he wanted to accomplish for the environment during his presidency, including the address had 12, the radio address had 12 different points. and it included finding a way to combine the federal government's very different and disparate and spread out activities that concerned the environment into one agency, and also talked about wildlife preservation, water and land preservation, air cleaning, and all of those sorts of things. so it's kind of a foreshadowing of what was going

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king or george wallace? driving the side of john lewis or bull connor on the side of abraham lincoln? or jefferson davis? this is a bunch of scumbags. this administration is behaving like a bunch of thugs and gangsters. sadly, the domestic enemies to our voting system and our honoring our constitution. all right. at 1600 pennsylvania avenue with their allies in the congress, the republicans don't just threaten our personal rights and economic security. >> they're a threat to our very democracy. joe , joe , that's the soul of your party. you're going to lecture us on the soul of the nation. where's your soul? standing up to your own party extremist. joe , when will we hear you? on thursday. are you going to hold your own party or yourself accountable for any of the massive failures, wide open borders, crippling forty year high of inflation, surging crime in every big city because your pals supported, defund, dismantle, no bail laws, record high gas prices you caused and a farm policy one disaster after anothe

george wallace segregation now, segregation tomorrow, these were all democrats.sed and died democrats. all of a sudden in the 60s they switched sides. all of the democrats that voted against it, how many of them switched and became republicans. two. outside of that they were born democrats and they died democrats. a party of individual responsibility, hardware, family and god. i am urging all of the blacks to take a good hard look at the history of the democratic party. what they have done with welfare to essentially attack the black family and replace the government with god and family. a different kind of slavery is being pushed by democrats versus the actual slavery that they used to push. >> bruce's in almonte california. go ahead, bruce. >> hi. how are you doing. mr. elder, why did the republicans treat hillary clinton so bad? what was the deal about biden'sh son? what was the deal about donald trump's -- 22 people in his cabinet convicted of some kind of conviction. what is up with that? >> we are going to leave it there unless you have a comment. >> i have

all of these apologists stood in front of school doors like george wallace segregation now, these arern, raised and died democrats. it is alive and all the sudden in the 60s they switched sides. if you look at all of the people have voted against the civil rightsat after 64, all the democrats voted against it how many of them switch and became republicans question or two outside of that there born democrats and they died democrats. robb of the parties a part ofiv individual responsibility, hard work, family, god. and i am urging all of the blacks to take a good hard his look of it republican party and what democrats have done with welfare to essentially attack the black family and replace government with god and family. a different kind of slavers being pushed, and my pain by democrats or actual slavery they used to push. sue and bruce is in el monte, california, democrats line. go ahead bruce. >> caller: how are you doing? why did the republican treat hillary clinton so bad during benghazi? what was the deal about biden's sons? what was the deal about donald trump's 22 people in his

democrats founded the kkk and all of these politicians that stood in front of the school doors, george wallacew, segregation tomorrow, democrats, and all of a sudden in the '60s, they switched sides a look at all the people that voted against the civil rights act of '64, the democrats who voted against it, soum switched and became republicans? two. most notably strom thurman. most were democrats and died democrats. republicans are party of responsibility, party, family, god and urging all of my fellow blacks to take a good hard look at the history of the republican party and the history of the democratic party and now what democrats have done with welfare, to essentially attack the black family and replace government with god and family. a different kind of slavery is pushed in my opinion by democrats versus the actual slavery they used to push. >> bruce is in california, democrats line. go ahead, bruce. >> hey, how are you doing, mr. elder. >> bruce. >> why do the republicans treat hillary clinton so bad during the benghazi, what was the deal about biden's son? what was the deal about donald

people who do not support the federal takeover the election as long supporters of jefferson davis, george wallace and bull connor. everyone know what jim crow enjoy -- involved, it was a state-sponsored oppression and much worse. it is a uniquely dark period with you parallels. for that reason it is mystifying that some serious advocates would smear common sense election regulations as jim crow 2.0. it says that they do not understand jim crow or election regulations. it is not a brand or software period -- as i have testified before, minority registration and turnout not hyperbolic soundbites tell the true story of ballot access. it shows that racial disparities have been dramatically reduced and in many cases eliminated. this is something we should be proud of despite opponents never mentioning it. the fact is that minority participation during the 2020 election was higher nationwide than during the actual jim crow period in 1965. tennessee, chairman cohen's home state black registration exceeded that for whites which is hardly jim crow and the same is true in mississippi. previously jim crow m

is largely college-educated, what i would call, moderate, old-time, back when nicole wallace was a republican and georgeinds of voters. it has now been -- it has a democratic congresswoman. it's had a democratic congressman in the past. i think it has been very anti-trump, that particular county, so i'm going to really look at what happens in johnson county, kansas. i think republicans are so -- they're so tuning out moderate voices on this issue and tuning in extreme voices because they're the loudest within their party. but i think politically, they may be making a real mistake, because a lot of these candidates across the country are being so extreme on abortion that it's turning off -- they may not be saying this to pollsters, but i guarantee you there's a lot of women in my state that, when they -- i realize that the woman they're being asked to vote for wants to make it illegal for them to travel to kansas or illinois with their daughter who's been raped, i think they will vote against those people. so, we'll see how this turns out. we've all said it. the dog has caught the car now. now we're goin

george soros to try to take over law enforcement in america. what happens in a lot of other places as well, like los angeles, and chicago, and philadelphia, and in boston. a woman named rachel wallace again who cared more about criminals than she cared about their victims, what did they do with rachel? rollins? -- rachael rollins? they made her the first prosecutor that got elevated to higher office, the u.s. attorney for the state of massachusetts. and who voted for her? maggie hassan. it is undisputed fact that crime and drugs is directly linked to gangs running out of massachusetts. and even though this was a major debate in the u.s. senate, we almost never vote on u.s. attorney nominees. in fact, it's been decades since he had -- since we have voted on one. i insisted this time we had a recorded vote on rachael rollins' a nomination. because every democrat needs to be on the record whether they are a federal prosecutor, who refuses to enforce laws that she doesn't like, refuses to impose sentences that are required by the law, and that is exactly what maggie h. voted for. but you see it all across america. excusing criminals, thinking that really there are no criminals, there a