i'm joined by linda gasparello, by joe mathieu of potus on xm and george wilson of whur-96.3 fm. it is just by chance that we have so many people on the radio here today. it is much more portable than television and flexible. it does things for people who listen to it. if you listen to radio, your mind works. you fill in. he painted pictures. television and the supporters of television program, intends to answer all the questions. in some ways, television is a little like drinking. less fun, but it does suspend anxiety. talk about television. >> i want to give a shout out to our great viewers that are on public, educational, and governmental access programs, and my first is going to the state college of pennsylvania. they have been longtime viewers of us, and i really think they have carried our show, and i would like to say hello to you. >> talking about saying hello, can we say hello to the international problems consulting the president. >> we would rather say goodbye to a lot of the international problems confronting the president. >> but that is not that easy. in the old day

a formal rebuke for congressman george wilson. his outburst. kelly o'donnell is with us from capitol hill with more. good evening. >> reporter: good evening, brian. disciplining a member of congress in the public way we saw today is unusual. it's reprimand directed at the president has never happened before in our country's history. >> the house of representatives disapproves of the behavior -- >> reporter: claim the house is on the line. >> this house ought not stand silent. >> reporter: they introduced a resolution of disapproval against joe wilson for two words he yelled at the president last week -- >> you lie. >> reporter: and for the words he refused to say on the house floor, i'm sorry. >> we all make mistakes and fall short of expectations. when we do, properette quet is expected. >> reporter: nancy pelosi wanted to drop it. the house was urged to act. democrats did not raise the issue of race publicly. wilson's disrespect. thomas man says race is a factor. >> i think there was strong sentiment among some african-american members that t

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george pataki. >>> plus, standing his ground. two days after congressman joe wilson'srecedented interruption of a presidential address, wilson said he won't be muzzled. and you won't believe the money that is rolling in for his opponents, and now wilson is, too, trying to cash in. >>> later the mystery deepens at yale in the search for medical student annie le. >> disappearing at ten clog a.m. in broad daylight, it doesn't get any weirder than that. >> the fbi is involved. le has not contacted her family or her fiancee who she is supposed to marry this sunday. we'll have a live report. >>> plus the kid who impersonates animals. any other thing we thought you should know all this hour on msnbc. >>> good afternoon, everyone. i'm in new york. good afternoon, david. >> hey, good afternoon to you. i'm david shuster live in washington. in the big picture at this hour, the memories of 9/11 are still fresh today. eight years after terrorists struck american soil, taking almost 3,000 lives. gray skies and a somber mood hung over remembered ceremonies in new york, washington and

wilson building. thank you very much. >>> dozens of local health employees preparing to fight h1n1 this fall will get pink slips instead. prince georges county is trimming another $22 million from its budget. 125 county workers will get layoff notices in the next few weeks, including from the health department. county officials say the cuts will not keep them from getting the flu vaccine to residents. >>> metro could receive funding. the senate approved $150 million for the transit agency. it is part of a $122 billion transportation bill. earlier this year the house passed a bill which will give metro $81.5 billion over the next ten years. the two chambers must work out a compromise before sending it to the president. >>> new this morning on 9 news now, we are learning more able our neighbors with the release of the annual american community survey from by census bureau. here's the highlights and the first to appear related to the recession. you can read more and link to the census bureau at wusa9.com. our story is under headlines. >>> maryland gaming officials may soon finally award the state's first slot machine gambling license. it

george gershwin. my mom told people that she did not even know. she got the phone book and started calling people. i always try to write songs. jackie wilson my no. 1 singing idol. i always look to see who wrote the music. i knew about berry gordy. we go to this audition for jackie wilson's managers. we saw in the five songs that i had written a said of something that is currently popular. this young guy was sitting in the corner. i was 16 at the time. he was waiting to audition. they rejected us and we went out and we were totally down. he came up behind us. he said, hold on. he said, where did you get those songs from? i really dejected. i said that i wrote them. he said that i like a couple of your songs. i am thinking, and so what? i am being polite. i say thank you, i appreciate that. he said that i am berry gordy. my lips drawn down to the floor. -- lip dropped down to the floor. you are the berry gordy that writes songs for jackie wilson? what? he made a mistake. he said, have you got any more songs? i pulled up might little notebook. he said, let me hear some of your songs. he takes me to a room. i must have 720 songs to him that d

wilson of racism. he denies any racism allegations. you can watch the president's entire interview with george stephanopoulos on sunday morning at 10:00 right here on abc 7. >>> we have details about the campaign fund raising of men trying to become the next virginia governor. the latest campaign finance report reveals who is giving to each candidate. the republican candidate, bob mcdonnell, received three times as much cash from lobbyists spent a democrat creigh deeds. banks, real estate, and insurance companies were bob mcdonnell's chief source of donations. labor unions and lawyers were the two largest groups backing creigh deeds. the peace >>> the police department is fighting a court ruling -- the d.c. police department filed -- a court ruling was filed. there is a program that requires every sworn d.c. police officer to hit the streets on a power shifts for three consecutive days. police chief cathy lanier says the program has been a strong deterrent >>> >>> at least nine people have tried to kill themselves on metrobus rallies this year. seven died, including a teen jumped onto the track at the columbia heights station thursday

wilson, he apologized. the obama white house graciously accepted it. let's move on. georgelled a liar more than any other president in the history. >> also, nancy pelosi calling members of the cia liars. what's happening here with president carter and members of congress and the houses specially, wanting a repeated apology for this and using this as a means to distract from the issues. this is a pathetic distraction from the fact that people don't agree with president obama's policies. it's not about the color of his skin. it's about the content of his policy. sean: content of his policy. do you agree. >> no, i don't agree. i think there is a lot of people who disagree with his policy and that's totally legitimate. >> apologize and say i'm sorry more times than brenda lee. the fact is joe wilson, look, he had emotional outburst. what's emotion, body state peculiar rised. he said what he said you are a liar, you lie. sean: he was right and obama was wrong. >> oh, no. sean: yes, sir on the facts. >> i will bring this the law that was being discussed and it says no illegal imm

wilson excuses, nobody cared when mccain yelled bingo. there it is right there. >> what do they say, at least spell his name right. finally, george lemieux from florida. there he is being sworn in yesterday by the vice president. he is now the youngest united states senator. good for him. time for the big null. governor mark sanford is weathering quite the political storm in south carolina. can he hold on? why not check with some oz makers. our friends in the intrade.com. according to them, they have oz on this. the chances mark sanford will leave office by the end of the year are at 36%. they obviously are falling this race very closely because sanford doesn't want to go anywhere. the online traders are betting saying there is just a 36% chance he'll leave the governor's mansion. we'll see. there could be impeachment hearings. that's tonight' big number. up next, the debate over health care has largely been overshadowed this week by congressman joe wilson's outburst. should wilson apologize on the floor of the house? and what does his outburst and the support egeting in some quarters sill bliz about the back lash against preside

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george w. bush, social security debate, they booed and hissed but ever seen anybody with the outburr thanks joe wilson had the other night all the years served in congress? >> i think that to call the president a liar in any place or indeed in a formal session of the house of representatives is in exquisite bad taste and it is clearly wrong. the history of this country is we do tend to be outspoken but this goes beyond the bounce. >> how does it feel to have the most progress made on this debate and what many say will ultimate lib the reform of health care in this country? >> way back when i was cleaning up dad's bill before i introduced it, the first time i found it about half had been ena enacted. since then, i have had to excise other parts enacted into law but it feels very good and i certainly want to get this done this session, pass something that is going to make health care available to every american and see to it that they have the choice and to realize my dad's wish. now, having said that it is going to be hard but i think it is doable, the american people desperately need it and desperatel

prince george's county resident and 10-year breast cancer survivor, derah wilson, explores those issues in her new book called "beyond the boobs" and it's being released today. we're so glad to have deborah wilson with us live in studio. it's great to have you here. >> thank you. >> reporter: you know, for women, our breasts are just a part of who we are. i think a lot of us identify through them and it's an emotional thing when breast cancer affects us. but it doesn't just affect us, it affects everybody around us. >> absolutely. and that's what the book talks about. it talks about not only the women who have been affected, but men also get breast cancer as well. there are such psychological, emotional, social aspects of breast cancer that impact us all. and so i wanted to write a book to not only talk about my story but other individuals because it's 10 years for me. >> reporter: that's fantastic. it was wonderful to introduce you as a 10-year breast cancer survivor. and i think if there's anything that we can say today, that is so much research is being done and so much focus has bee

george bush was called every name in the book. al loser by harry reid and john kerry and ted kennedy and john murtha and nancy pelosi. a big fire storm this week over congressman wilsonled him a liar. he was right and president was wrong about immigration. the question i have, is this just feigned outrage by democrats this week? >> you are right, there was a lack of outrage at all of the ad hominem attacks against president bush when i was there. i worked on the house floor, i worked for the president. there is legitimate criticism of the obama's beach, and it was very political. he contributed to a partisan atmosphere in the chamber, which i do not think was appropriate, but as wilson said himself -- sean: the apologized. none of these democrats have apologized. and the media did not call him out. >> what good would it do? they still are after him. they want him grovelling, and they still will not accept it. but look, and he should not have done it, and those of us defending him could say that, but the minute the speech was over, out of the chamber, i did not want democrats telling it to republicans. whee thought booing george w. bush was tapes list -- tasteless and

george bush. you have to respect the president. i think mr. wilsonhowed disrespect by column the president a liar. i think you disrespect the office of the president, you should be penalized for that. guest: there is no question that he is an extraordinary human being. he is a man of enormous intelligence, poise, a tremendous sense of humor. he listens to all sides before rendering a decision. he is capable of absorber in massive amounts of information and integrating them. his prudence has grown by leaps and bounds. the exponential increase of his presidential demeanor comes with the office. the office should be respected. that is not to deny the legitimacy of critique of mr. obama. people can engage in serious discussions that oppose him. to undermine his integrity and insult his character by virtue of our disagreement is not acceptable. i think the caller is absolutely right. mr. wilson was extremely disrespectful. that this respect is rooted in our perspective of what is right and wrong, what is acceptable and not to acceptable. mr. obama occupie

>> i think it's rude what joe wilson did, but at least he had the nerve to do it to obama's face, unlike harry reid who called georgebarack obama who told a reporter -- >> you're making excuses for him. jack, where do you come down on this issue tonight? >> come on, this is absolutely repulsive. he represents what the republicans are right now. they started out by saying we're going to kill your parents, aport your kids, now it's the brown people's fault. what else do they have? maybe they can say, what we'll do is spit on the bible and then it's going to be gay people. i'm sure that's the next attack. it's going to be something ridiculous, what we've been saying and it a es not a shock. >> tom tancredo, would you admit this was an orchestrated effort to discredit the president? there was material that was distributed amongst the republicans. they came there with homemade signs questioning the president. they were rude. i mean, is this just going to be a free for all every time the president addresses the joint session? >> believe it or not, this is not that unusual reaction on the people in the congress. i'm not sa

george bush was called every name in the book. al loser by harry reid and john kerry and ted kennedy and john murtha and nancy pelosi. a big fire storm this week over congressman wilsonng about immigration. the question i have, is this just feigned outrage by democrats this week? >> you are right, there was a lack of outrage at all of the ad hominem attacks against president bush when i was there. i worked on the house floor, i worked for the president. there is legitimate criticism of the obama's beach, and it was very political. he contributed to a partisan atmosphere in the chamber, which i do not think was appropriate, but as wilson said himself -- sean: the apologized. none of these democrats have apologized. and the media did not call him out. >> what good would it do? they still are after him. they want him grovelling, and they still will not accept it. but look, and he should not have done it, and those of us defending him could say that, but the minute the speech was over, out of the chamber, i did not want democrats telling it to republicans. whee thought booing george w. bush was tapes list -- tasteless and we denied it. -- denounced it. two wrongs do not

george takei bowly goes where no one has gone before. they'll be the first same sex couple on the new newly wed game hosted by carney wilson. mr.$prop 8 on the star board bow. any time gay people get to do anything they never got to do before, the usual suspects make the usual noises. the culture and media institutes quotes, they're trying to use tv and the movies to set the gay agenda and make it mainstream. and yeah, imagine that kind of thing in the main stream. of course for me, the newly wed game will always be the classing hoefld by bob eubanks who quizzes young couple about how well they really knew each other. >> what will your husband say is his favorite thing to squeeze in the supermarket? >> i would say meat. his meat. he is a butcher. >> gentlemen, how many decades has your mother lived? >> i don't know what decade it is. >> george, brad, congratulations for joining the long list of couple who have appeared on the newly wed game. this is progress. >> what will your husband say is his favorite condiment? >> by would say his pool table upstairs. definitely. >> i think. >> his favorite condiments? >> the pool table. ye

wilson did was wrong and he has apologized. to the best of my knowledge, not a single one of the democrats who booed president george w. not a single one, ever apologized. i'm just making the case there is a double standard. bill: absolutely. everybody knows that. >> i wish we could get back to a clear pattern of debate. every time i go out on the road and i'm in a situation i was -- robert rush, for example. i have done some things with howard dean. every time we are civil and we have a rational -- the kind of conversation you and i are having, audiences are delighted. they are eager to have people who can disagree without being disagreeable. bill: they are. but sometimes you have to -- and i do this probably too much, confront. you know, look, barney frank, in the most famous recently on the factor, came on here and lied. >> sure. bill: he lied about his outlook of fannie mae and freddie mac when we just played the clip and he was trying to tell the audience i didn't say what you just heard me say. howard dean did the exact same thing the other day. there you have to go after them. there you have to say. >> all you h

george decay" boldly goes where no man has gone before. he and his husband brad will be the first same sex couple on the new newlywed game hosted by carney wilson fire torpedos! of course any time gay people get to do anything they never got to do before the usual suspects make the usual noises. quote, they're trying to use tv and the movies to set the gay agenda and make it main stream. yeah. imagine that kind of thing in the main stream. of course for me the newlywed game will always be the classic hosted by bob eubank who quizzed young couples about how well they really knew each other. guess what? not that well. >> what would your husband say is his favorite thing to squeeze in the supermarket? jane? >> i think meat. >> gentlemen, how many decades has your mother lived? >> i don't know what a decade is. >> george, brad, congratulations for joining the long list of couples who have appeared on "the newlywed game." this is progress. >> what will your husband say is his favorite condiment? >> oh, i would say his pool table upstairs. >> his favorite condiment? his pool table. yeah. >> spectacular. spectacular. i have to say, the idea of mr. sul

wilson says we are opening the door for the ku klux klan. your reaction? >> well, first of all, it's amazing to me that when the left hated george w.h, when they booed him during his state of the union, when the moveon.org attacked him relentlessly, when democrats used vicious language, somehow it wasn't inappropriate. now, i don't know if jimmy carter thinks that there was racism involved in disliking a white president, but i would say that the amount of anger, hostility, and nastiness on the left against george w. bush was vastly greater than anything that's happened with barack obama. i think it's very destructive for america to suggest that we can't criticize a president without it being a racial act. i think the fact ask many people thought president carter failed. he only was a one-term president. i don't think they voted against him because he was white. they voted against him because he failed and they didn't like 13% inflation and 22% unemployment and gasoline rationing. sean: i think it's a good point. you know, i don't know if it's an effort to intimidate those that are critical. but certainly there is legitimate critici

george bush over the last eight years. that's not to excuse him, but not to minimize the people who are concerned. >> when the white house observes these kinds of protests, the joe wilsonent, what's their take and how worried are they? >> at the white house, they will tell you that what they have seen since august, the near riots at the town halls and the craziness, this is not really what worries them. they feel like their numbers have held up well through the month of august and the president can handle this. what worries them is what they began seeing all the way back in june. that was a sort of quieter and deeper unease with what people see. what independence, what moderates see coming out of washington. they feel as though it's just too much. it's overwhelming and they feel on health care in particular, people who have coverage and that's the vast majority of americans and people who are satisfied with coverage understand there is a problem out there and they understand this is bad for the economy and they start to worry that washington's idea of fixing it is going to make their own health care worse. >> they are in a situation where you can't win over independent

that overnight, congressman wilson's opponent in this race, received 3,000 individual grass roots contributions, totalling almost $100,000. >> overnight. okay. thanks, george. >>> let's head to chris cuomo. he has the other headlines. beginning with the economy. >> that's right, diane. good morning to you. good morning, everybody. the federal reserve is out with a new report saying the recession may be over. but unemployment is still raging. so, what are we supposed to make of a so-called jobless recovery? we have bianna golodryga with us this morning. let's shed some light on this situation. >> reporter: good morning, chris. this could well be the third jobless recovery we've seen in a row coming out of the last two recessions. the federal reserve says economic activity is stable or improving. in most areas of the economy. with manufacturing and automakers reporting growth this quarter. but, and this is a big but, experts say that shoppers really need to start spending more money right now to maintain any recovery we're seeing. and for the job market, it is all about jobs. and take a look at these new figures that came in. in july, there were 14 million p

wilson. meanwhile, a new book by a former speech writer for then president george w.leges the ex-president made some mean-spirited and even insulting remarks about politicians including barack obama, sarah palin, hillary clinton and more. cnn's brian todd has been looking into this book. brian, what do we know about the book and the author? >> reporter: wolf, we know it's getting a lot of brush back from former top bush aides who we've corresponded with today. they tell us the president described in this book is not the same man they know. >> to give him a briefing -- >> reporter: new portrayals of a president taking his plain-spoke ebb vernacular to very personal levels. mate lattemer speech writer for george w. bush for the last two years of his presidency writes in a new book that mr. bush made disparaging comments about several major political figures at the time. excerpts from the book "speech-less" are posted on "g's website. he writes after then candidate barack obama gave a blistering speech against his administration, president obama fumed this is a dangerous

wilson's outburst wouldn't have gotten the attention it gets now, 40 years ago. that said, i don't think we should overremant size the politics of the '60s and '70s. this is the era of george wallace and bull conner on the right and the weather man on the left. i mean we worry about political violence bubbling out of these protests now. but there was real political violence in america in the '60s and '70s. and in a sense we have come a long way. >> richard? >> and in fact, i will echo something you said. those pictures of the demonstrators over the weekend, you know, there was nothing said as offensive as some of those signs were, that was worse than people standing outside the white house saying hey, hey, lbj, how many kids did you kill today. so i mean, this kind of, the federation. fed-up that we saw this weekend is of the right of the moment it has been of the left in the past. >> congresswoman you are up there on capitol hill where there is discussion under way among democrats in the house to further censure, officially censure joe wilson for his outburst, do you know if that is going to happen? >> i don't. i have not been in any discussions about it. >> would you lik

appreciate that congressman wilson has apologized to the president, apologized immediately, but that outburst in the house chamber was really outrageous. could you imagine, had georgein washington. come up with all other sorts of words. >> misled. >> don't remember anything. >> jonathan is exactly right. >> i was drunk. >> that's you, dylan. jonathan is exactly right. i was standing on the floor when bill clinton gave his speech in the '90s and although republicans -- maybe the opposing party, they just don't applaud. but never, ever, ever have you seen blackberrying, saying, "you lied," waving signs. it's astonishing. >> his thing is fine. >> you lie? >> i love to see the majority rule. very much willing to make that trade. everybody can shout and heckle at presidential speeches, but the majority party just passes it without a filibuster. i would put that on the table if anyone is willing to take it. >> greenberg senior vice president greenberg, kinsler research, independent voters before and after the speech. this is what folks thought about health care reform before the president spoke and what they thought about it immediately thereafter. anna, welcome. what we

george w. bush drew derivativde" during his state of the union address. -- derisive statements during his state of the union address. but mr. wilsonverwhelmingly exceeded the bounds of decorum and to the rest of by admitting it. mr. wilson hit a nerve on the issue of illegal immigration. even south carolina at supporters of a health care over all expressed concern about extending coverage to illegal immigrants. that is in the "new york times" this morning. american hero joe, that is his torture address. now our next call on the republican line comes from indiana, about 10 miles north of fort wayne, indiana. go ahead, george. caller: to i think it is hilarious when mr. reed to turnaround and write a column and say that george bush does not know what he is doing and he is a liar. all of these people get offended by words. we have free speech in this country and everybody wants to take that away. all of these left-wing liberals talk about rights and freedoms, but as soon as people speak of, oh, that is out of control. mr. obama has lied and is line and it is great to see an american patriot stand up and say, sir, you are a liar. and

george bush a single time. this incivility in america does not lead to fruitful debate. >> fritz, your state didn't ask to be in the spotlight. you have mark sanford and now joe wilson.eople of south carolina. we have e-mail response to the congressman's apology. mr. wilson was told to call the white house and apologize. he did not take it upon himself to do so. he felt like he did no wrong. a viewer write in from alaska. i do not think he should be punished. what happened to freedom of speech. michelle writing although we have the right to freedom of speech we should not be disrespectful. representative joe wilson's outburst is wrong. he is representing not just himself but the people who put him in office. great comments today. g keep them coming. we are expecting to see melissa huckaby in court.we chair or scooter at little or no cost to you. imagine... one scooter or power chair that could improve your mobility and your life. one medicare benefit that, with private insurance, may entitle you to pay little to nothing to own it. one company that can make it all happen ... your power chair will be paid in full. the scooter store. hi i'm doug harrison. we're experts