he could not even contact george zimmerman. george zimmerman has not contacted him.hat he had not seen george zimmerman until since a week before the shooting of trayvon martin. that to me does not sound like a close friend, an uncle or anything else. and that is what we needed to hear him say out of his own mouth, and that's what he said tonight. >> jonathan capehart, joe oliver used to be a cn nflt nchltcnn reporters. he knows the tools of the trade. he knew what was going to happen when he came out publicly. we discovered tonight he did indeed work in the same place as george zimmerman, something i discovered in my investigation today. he thinks there's things about his relationship with zimmerman that he can protect and keep secret while he tells the world, trust my gut feeling and nothing but my gut feeling that george is telling the truth. >> right. and that's so not going to work, not under normal circumstances and certainly not under circumstances like this where there is a dead 17-year-old boy who was unarmed at the hands of someone who he wants us to believ

what is unusual is that george -- they continued to have an off and on -- george wrestled with it and recorded his wrestling without ever naming the people, so to this day i don't know. >> host: to this day you don't know. >> guest: i don't really think it's terribly important in that sense. i think what is important is he wrestled with -- >> host: didn't say who it was. >> guest: the other thing that is important, the hero in the whole story, is anna lisa, his wife or 74 years. >> host: to whom you dedicated the book. >> guest: i did it because it was anna lisa who told george and me it would be a permanent -- personal biography, not just a political biography. i did it abuse her cooperation with the whole process, which could not have been easy because you're ending -- authorized biographer, you're taking a risk. you have no idea what the book is going to be like; so a great act of faith on her part as well as his. but mostly i did it because she held the marriage together, and more than that, she stabilized george kennan. she got him through psychologically, emotionally. she was th

these are proxies for george zimmerman. and -- >> but importantly from an evidentiary standpoint they are claiming george zimmerman told me this. his brother says, my brother told me this. his father says, my son told me this. >> right. >> so this is high quality in terms of george zimmerman testimonial evidence. >> well, right, but what we have -- what you have to do in parsing what they're saying is you see a shift away from trayvon martin was pummeling so much that that was going to lead to my death, now that we see that the marks on his face and his back do not look at least from what we can see from grainy video to be life-threatening, that he is walking of his own volition, that there is now a witness who says he pops up, springs up right after the shooting and what he's on the top or on the bottom, we don't know but it doesn't look like he was within an inch of his life so now both last night and tonight you hear this new emphasis on he went for my gun, which is a kind of a legal tactical change which says even if he

is that what george said to you? >> yes, george said that to me as well. beyond that, i really can't expound on it, because george has been told not to talk about the evidence that the police have, and obviously, they're releasing it piecemeal. >> but from what you heard, you believe that george zimmerman was in fear for his life? >> i do believe george zimmerman was in fear for his life. a belief ta at some point in that confrontation, george felt like, and believed with all his heart he had to make a decision to zee fend himself and to save his life. >> there's now a report indicating that in the initial police report, george zimmerman said he was on his way back to his vehicle to await the police when he was attacked by trayvon martin that is what he initially told police. can you confirm that? >> yes, i can. >> so he's saying he was on his way back to his vehicle and trayvon martin actually attacked him? >> yes, he -- that's what he's saying, that's what the police report is saying, that's what he has talked with me about? >> there is an affidavit that

style is important to george kennan so george not only respected but very much admired jack kennedy style and ronald reagan was a movie star, television actor and he was a republican from california, all of these were strikes against him in george's book. george could never get over what you are talking about, this tendency to personalize what is going on to see everything that happens in one way or another is somehow aimed at him or rejecting him or what not. he didn't have the capacity for detachment or standing back and engaging that the survivors and bureaucracies tend to have. >> host: he was not a survivor of a bureaucracy. in many ways i think that revoked a lot of his outrage in his writings in his later years as he continually went back to his notion about containment had been sort of morphed into started and that in a way some of the hawks inside the bureaucracy in his view had been very successful in militarizing foreign-policy as he saw it. he was terrified of the nuclear arms race. he felt that this was you know, beating us to the brink of a holocaust and you know, so you cou

it was simply dashed off by george for other purposes. the editor of foreign affairs to speak at the council on foreign relations heard of him speaking more accurately the council on foreign relations. and said to you have that in writing? and george rummaged around and found something that he had in writing and that became the ex article. all of us had done that. all of us who were in public life had given talks would go through the trouble of writing down what you said and the was the origin of the ex article which became just as influential as the long telegram, but to the intense frustration of kennan both because his identity was revealed immediately coming and he was by that time working for george marshall on the policy planning staff and those guys were supposed to be invisible, not public figures. but secondly because george's own view of what the grand strategy should be is in that very short article he found himself with this casual draft that he sent off to foreign affairs which again to find the rest of his life he found hims

george zimmerman has a gun.in a holster in his bell. and that trayvon martin's reaction to that, you're going to die tonight. you're going to die now. this is the kid who has skittles and ice tea. >> right. so none of this is adding up to me. maybe i'm the only person who knows anything about a fight. >> i don't think so. not with the two o'donnell. when did he say that? if the father's story is correct, he has his knees on both the man's arms hitting him with the other arm. his body is so far forward on zimmerman's chest, that the gun which police have said is in a holster in his waist is behind him. so when does trayvon take a break from the beating to look behind him to see that he has a gun on his waist? how does he get his hands free? now moves it up from behind his back to the front of him and then shoots him in the chest. the logic is not making sense. >> we have more from the father. >> george is trying to get his head off the concrete. trying to move him into the grass. and in doing so, his firearm tray

george saw mr.uspicious in context of what has been happening in his community, not just -- >> george found him suspicious. i mean, trayvon martin would argue he wasn't being suspicious at all. he was just walking to a house. >> right. and the police are the people who, you know, would have made that determination ultimately. >> how do you feel, personally, that your brother has killed somebody in these circumstances? >> no matter what, you know, with i try to think of what if this were me? what if this were someone who had broken into my home and i had to defend myself or some other situation, where self-defense fits the mold more, and it's easy, we can understand, oh, yeah, that's clearly self-defense, because there's no room for conjecture. this is my home, you broke in, and that happened. i've tried to think about it in terms of, what if this were me. i would at least want to feel supported by my family. and i would definitely, definitely respect the process that we have in this country. >> woul

>> young george. and i am really partial to join george washington because i knew absolutely nothing about him in that part of his life. the idea that he was really such a rugged man and just -- it just altered my way of thinking about george washington. you know, i sometimes think, you know, but that country song, kutcher board can survive. that is so i feel about him. he could have survived in the wilderness forever. it was extraordinary. so young george really is my favorite. >> thank you. >> would you talk a little bit about the other research you have done on your other books? because your research has been extraordinary. you did not get to do this by having your name drawn out of a hat. you were chosen to do this because of your research. you have done an enormous amount on your other books. could you talk but that a minute. >> yes. thank you. i do a lot of research. i feel very much when you write for the kinds of books that i write they have to be accurate. i don't believe that you can just th

and there would have been george dead. >> george zimmerman's attorney tells nbc news that zimmerman's brother is just seeking attention and he has not seen george in years. ron allen joins me live from sanford. we know that another rally is planned. reverend al sharpton is headed for sanford later today as well. what about this interview the mayor gave to reuters regarding the release of the 911 call? >> reporter: we haven't talked to him about that. it is interesting. the city manager here has authority over the police department. and the mayor is purely ceremonial. so maybe he convinced them with his moral authority to release the tapes. i'm not quite sure how that whole scenario went down. but i know there was a lot of pressure to have that made public. you see what it did. it certainly turned up the pressure on the police department. because the public was able to hear part of what happened. the videotapes that were released yesterday and the day before also did the same thing. it is about six minutes of material but it shows zimmerman just a few minutes, 34 minutes after the inci

our host of "this week," george stephanopoulos, joins us this morning. good to see you, george. did santorum's victory in louisiana change the dynamics? >> not really. but it does reinforce what we have seen. rick santorum is very strong in the south. seventh win in the south. it's his 11th win overall. romney has broad support across the country. romney is more than halfway to where he needs to get the delegates. he's the only candidate in the race to get enough delegates to win the nomination. but rick santorum didn't do anything to unseat mitt romney from his commanding position. >> but things are getting really ugly within the party. all of this republican infighting, does this hurt the party in the long way? >> that's the big picture. lot of big voices in the party came out, they said that it's time to unify, time to wrap this up. jeb bush, the former florida governor came out and endorsed mitt romney this weekend. but you saw rick santorum last night. he's in no mood to do this. newt gingrich didn't get any delegates yesterday. he'll get a lot of pressure to get out. >> ge

george showed tremendous restraint. >> george zimmerman hunted my son like an animal. >> emotions boiling over in a case gripping america. new details ahead. plus, a movie they don't want your kid to see. >> get your ass off my book bag. move! move! brutality of bullying. the battling over the new film. >> when you see this movie and you see the kids beating each other up, that's when you draw the line? >> i'll talk with the director and produce. and also a country legend. ♪ i might have been born plain white trash but fancy was my name ♪ >> reba on life and love and what's behind the twinkle in her eye. >> and known in america. mega millions. the stunning paycheck you have to see to believe. this is piers morgan tonight. good evening. our big story tonight is one dividing the country. the trey son martin case. the man who shot trayvon martin says it was self defense. tonight aisle talk to an attorney for the martins. this is what george's brother robert told me last night. who was screaming there, robert? >> that's my brother. >> how can you be so sure? because trayvon's family are equal

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george howe standing by. george?, one thing, zimmerman's attorney has stated that this was not racially motivated. but many people here, we talked to them, maybe have a different opinion on that. i wanted to talk to you specifically about what you were telling us a minute ago as far as george zimmerman and the sanford police department. your thoughts on -- >> the sanford police department initial investigation was ridiculous. here's a man standing with a weapon in his hand and they take his word that he's never been arrested. then they do not do a background check on mr. zimmerman. how is that possible when they stop me at a traffic light and do a background investigation on me? if sanford police had done what they were supposed to do initially, we would not be here tonight because mr. zimmerman would have been arrested. >> the thing that struck me that you said a minute ago was that zimmerman, not as much the problem to you as the sanford police department? >> because i understand where mr. zimmerman comes from. i c

good to see you, george.did santorum's victory in louisiana change the dynamic of the race at all? >> not really. but it does reinforce what we have seen. rick santorum is very strong in the south. this is his seventh win in the south. his 11th win overall, but mitt romney has broad support across the country. and, of course, if you look at that all-important delegate race, romney is now more than halfway to where he needs to be to get the delegates, and he's the only candidate in the race who can actually get enough delegates to win the nomination, so it's not over yet by any means, but rick santorum didn't do anything to unseat mitt romney from his commanding position. >> and yet things are getting really ugly within the party. all of this in-fighting. you had santorum saying last week that obama would be better served as being president. >> then he took it right back. >> then he took it right back. does this hurt the party in the long way? >> that's the big picture. you saw a lot of big voices in the party

if i didn't know george zimmerman i'd be right out there, too, but i do know george and i do know theyoung black men have had. i've experienced that growing up. i get that. i understand that, but in this one spark incident, that wasn't the case. race had nothing to do with it. >> have you guys had conversations, i mean you're african-american. george is peruvian descent. have you had conversations about race? >> no. >> never? >> no. i mean, george, whenever i saw george, it was in a social atmosphere among friends and family, and so we talked what everybody else talked about, you know, there were no pressing issues. most of the time over the past few years it was about the latest on the casey anthony case because it was such a hot topic here, and that's another part of the problem, and how this story is unfolding, all of this information that came out yesterday, why did not tea con' out in the beginning? would it have made a difference? would we still have the cries for justice that we're seeing today? yes, we still would have because it involves a young black male who died a violent

>> so you've talked to george this morning. >> i talked to george this morning. >> you talked to georgen saturday. you've spoken to him twice -- >> and again, wrong. i've spoken to him saturday -- i spoke to him on sunday -- >> you wouldn't reveal what -- >> saturday and sunday. >> but you wouldn't reveal any of the information and that wasn't revealed last night in the information. it said you spoke to him on saturday and when lawrence asked what you discussed you said you wouldn't reveal that. >> because -- >> so it didn't lend itself to any of the credibility -- because you won't reveal any of the conversations. now overnight since that interview you have now spoken to george zimmerman again and he's given you permission to reveal part of that conversation in reference to the police tape. is that what you're telling me today? >> no, look, that part of the conversation just happened this morning. because my conversations with george have been to reassure myself that i ham doing the right thing. because this horrible incident has sparked the tinder, the wood that has been piling up for

george h.w.ed that he supports romney. his wife did robo calls for romney. all the way back in december this president bush said he thinks romney is the best guy for the job. what does it all mean really? it is another sign the republican establishment is getting behind mitt romney as a front-runner. but you've got to be honest, what does it mean in the long term for romney's candidacy? probably not a whole lot. romney's gotten a ton of endorsements this election cycle, frankly, it hasn't saved him from a bruising battle in the primaries. you just pointed out, if you look at the latest cnn/orc polls, ashleigh, president obama has a double digit lead over romney. in the head-to-head matchup, a lot of people expect the election to be close regardless of the nominee. voters who oppose president obama are highly motivated to go to the polls. tight race. whoever is there and it certainly looks at least right now, like it's going to be mitt romney. >> you know, joe, the president has just inched up ove

i want to play a little of what they said. >> george is not a racist. >> george zimmerman is not a racistthis particular case is not based on race. >> he's color blind when it comes to any race. >> the conversations become about race and racism. why is this so important to answer that question? or is it important to answer the question, is george zimmerman a racist? >> no. i observe as a psychiatri kiatr do something interesting in the absence of facts. reasons, why did my husband leave me? he found someone younger? i didn't make enough money? was it my thighs? we invent answers and because we don't know we choose the one we're most scared of. in this situation, we don't have answers and have chosen the one we're most scared of. what concerns me is that kids across america are sitting at the dinner table with the tv on, and they're hearing a national dialogue and seeing people get fired up about something that could be wrong. and in doing so, they're making decisions about, did a guy shoot a kid who was black? or is there a whole race of people that hate us as blacks so much they can shoo