charlie: who was with georgia o'keeffe in the desert?well, she had a very young friend called juan hamilton, who i believe was 27. [laughter] charlie: so where are you now? are you at a point -- you've got meditation, spirituality, a second film, a wonderful son, a husband, a great relationship for 40 years -- 30. tom: don't age me too much, charlie. [laughter] charlie: don't age me too much, charlie: you've got the fashion business. so where is the drive going to come from to top this? tom: i think speaking. if you are addicted to communicating and storytelling, that is fun. what i do is so much fun. all i want is to have as many more years of it as i can possibly have. i am so lucky and i love what i do. i would like to make a movie every three or four years. hopefully not seven. i would like to continue designing clothes. i'm happy with my life. charlie: is it a hollow business? you said there are fashion designers who are true artists. i'm perhaps cynical to be a true artist. i had a run from but i've moved 1994-2004, into a differen