both the witnesses georgia roloson de eye color specialist on german turkish relations formerly based in ankara now with d.w. here in berlin and dale believes that everyone is neither a friend nor of important strategic interest foremost germany to talk with the circuitry president but not she says that the crisis around will welcome to to direct car bomb from the has the berlin based twenty school of governments who argues that it's high time for the german government to holds democratic values and human rights instead of its economic political and security interests in its dealings with the. welcome once again to all three of you about to begin with you deliver might just tell us why president one's visit to germany stage a visit to germany is so important and so controversial. well it is to start from the turkish perspective from the turkish government's perspective it is very important for for for the government for various reasons first of all of course there's a coming crisis in turkey as we know and the prospects for the prospects are very dark and you know it's not expected to