i do not know about harvey weinstein's wife, georgina chapman, how she could not have an inkling of this after 10 years of marriage. gretchen: i hope they can find a way in their heart also be fierce and stand up for who they are as women and give themselves more respect. sally: you mentioned jane fonda had several experiences. gretchen: she just came out of 79 years old and said she was raped earlier in her career. and abused. and she had never told those stories before. this is the culture we live in, where these kinds of stories are stuffed down, and women are made to feel ashamed that something happened to them, when in essence, they were shamed. we have to turn this issue totally in the opposite direction. i do sense it is happening now. sally: gwyneth paltrow came forward and so did angelina jolie. i have to say, god love meryl streep for speaking out against harvey weinstein, who she had worked with. the issue of shame fascinates me. i have had, as all women have had, a number of experiences like this. one when i was 19 when senator john tower was supposed to take me to lunch. the