roman told his story of his acquaintance with georgy gongadze, his move to lviv is a very emotional and interesting and interesting story especially i for example, i don't know about this, i think that the audience didn't know this story either. i want you to tell your own story of georgy. let 's say it was before that day and in your opinion. stolen on i understand that it was lesya ukrainka boulevard, he accepted an apartment there and after that he was not seen alive again, please, this is a very dramatic story , one can say tragic for the family and for hygiene, and of course for ukraine, it does not need it then there will be free coverage, because it has long become a cross-cutting theme of everything that is happening in our country. perhaps even with all his actions, he would not have started this tragic chain of events, but the circumstances of the social, political, psychological, moral state of society came together, and that is why, in principle, many people know what happened but she cannot bring this matter to completion, she needs political courage and, less than her fate

this is now the footage that you show from the apartment of georgy gongadze.but i already did this with him. later, when i defended him in court, and in the 13th year , lesya gongad gave me the keys to his and their apartment from tbilisi. i went there for documents and had the honor to take these photos, so here we were actually saying goodbye to tbilisi, he was saying goodbye to tbilisi and when it was actually time to move ah, mrs. olesya says roman but you know that we have tickets to tbilisi on a plane in they don't sell us tickets in the forest because all the tickets for the year are bought by those who sell cloves, they have mandarins in ukraine, and i say how about we go, let’s fly instead , she says, well, i got one ticket because she was the best children’s pediatrician, she says number one on the plane kved and hands it to me, i say mrs. lesya, how about er-e gia, because she insisted on calling him georgiya agia and not gongadze ak k kondze k for the letter i say and how is action and she says don’t worry about gayok well, i ’m going to get on the

, that georgy gongadze turns out to be a liar, a thief, what do you say to gongadze, someone stole carsgeorgia, and he told it on television in the early days, the press published it, and lesya as an organization tried for 5 years to sue him or six. the court did not then in the end, lesya accepted the envelope and somehow overcame the court, but the court did not convene a meeting. and in fact, when i met lesya gongadze at the podpechers court, it turns out that the meeting was not convened, but the lawyer who was lesya or lesya was given a lawyer, well, let's say betrayal to olesya, he changed her statement of claim and it seems that the case is being filed not against because it is against the publications that she sat crying and said that there is no truth, she will not achieve anything. i still convinced her that we will do it. i found an excellent lawyer unfortunately for oleg the king, he is already dead, he was replaced when he freed the children of buch, and here we are with oleg the king, the king in four meetings already without lesya gongadze, because we told her not to go h

actually, this version is that the murder of georgy gongadze was one of the special operations of theremlin, i will not tell which version seems more likely to me, but i have to categorize well, but i will definitely say that this second version is no less capable than this than the primitive version that we called the first, that is, actually speaking, the legal proceedings have reached that we unequivocally established that general pukach committed the murder with his own hands and he did it on orders, but then we look at what pukach calls leonid kuchma as the customer , can we believe that he himself ? the truth of this statement, you simply cannot believe them like that, it was very clear during the trial that pukach wanted to simply shift the blame to someone else. he repeated many times that he was simply following the order of the commander-in-chief or so did it really happen, did she teach him or did he invent it himself, to say that to this question, unfortunately there is no answer, i really want to hope, i want to believe that we will have an answer to this question, but it

roman today passes, well, in fact, it's out there, but these days it's been 23 years since georgy gongadze disappeared, he was killed. i remember it very well, moreover , for some reason, you remember that day, er, september 17, er, when he er, disappeared, so he must with they were apparently killed on the night of september 16 and september 17, and let's start from that day and from the events that preceded it, you definitely know more about this and you want to tell us about it, and we will listen willingly, please, actually, i might i know such things that almost no one knows because that's how it happened. what i'm going to lock up - i locked up with george, and during the time of the first red ruth, he fell in love with our girl from lviv, maryana, and so it happened that george decided to move permanently to ukraine and for some reason we agreed that i would come to tbilisi for him and i will transport him. and i definitely came, but it was such a long process. at that time, george was studying international relations at a football university . he graduated from the university. it w

in your opinion, you know it is very unfortunate that, well, what do they think , little man georgy gongadzebecause for all those people who were there yes or well there is a lot a large number of people, i know many of them, the whole story is also interesting in a timely manner, who did not get into the wheel of events then, uh , and both on a larger and smaller scale, there begins to squirm, well and there and and but and oh the story that the death of a small person decided to make it unimportant and to maintain political stability and gongadze, well, they found a fart, if they had finished with that, i’m asking very briefly , mr. roman, in your opinion. why is this, why is this a problem? to to the end so that we have a country in which there are no small people and not small people, and if it is a political murder there or the murder of a journalist, then it should be investigated and should not be s-, e hiding under a cloth from the interests of the oligarchs there or the political elite , please know i think that there were many situations like the one with georgy, because there are

and can even reverse the course and development of an entire country , isn't that the story of georgy gongadze ? today we remember his 23 years as his no miroslava gongadze by the way, she wrote a lengthy article about her memories of the last morning with him, and actually it's hard to disagree here , it's the story of one person who managed to somewhat , well, not somewhat, but to radically influence the course development of our country, right? i just want to hope that even if we are all in some kind of state before coma as a society, then maybe, um, i always think that if this tragedy had not happened or if we knew objectively the results in that what happened, what we still don't know, it's also very interesting that we've been living for how many years have passed and we can't answer the question who ordered the murder of georgy and if there was no kolchuk there would be no yanukovych and there would be no medvedchuk the story with the melnychenko tapes opened the way to one of the most important chances for the weakening of the ukrainian state as such. i think that we can start the coun

roman told his story of his acquaintance with georgy gongadze, his move to lviv, uh, very emotional,ting, an interesting story. moreover, i don't know about it, for example. i think that the audience didn't know this story either. i want you to tell your story. here's your story. george gaz. let's say it was before that day and in your opinion. what preceded it, the most important, the key moments that preceded it. it was a terrible day when 23 years ago, when george was kidnapped on i understand that it was the boulevard of lesya ukrainka . tragic for the family and for her, of course, for ukraine, it does not need free coverage, because it has long become a cross-cutting theme of everything that is happening in our country . perhaps even, well, with all his actions , he would not have started this tragic chain of events, but the social circumstances so ignited political, psychological, moral state of society, and that is why, in principle, many people know what happened, but cannot bring it to a conclusion, because it requires political courage and, to a lesser extent , the hypocri

are here now is just evidence that a lot has always depended on journalists, and for 23 years, georgy gongadze been with us, but his example is an example of the thirst for justice and the responsibility to society is much stronger than any power, for any fear of the power of journalists to adhere to and fight for democracy, because that is what mr. gongadze stood for and, in addition, they honored others of journalists who died, but already during a full-scale invasion, these are 66 media workers, 10 of whom died while performing their professional duties, and russia continues to kill ukrainian journalism, which tries to do the truth, write about the truth , even during such a terrible war, we will also hear that russia invaded with its war in ukraine, she did everything so that journalists became targets, so that this truth was not conveyed, in addition to the fact that journalists were killed. we also recorded the targeted attacks on journalists by russian troops 15 journalists from crimea are in the prisons of the russian federation, they are political prisoners, and in order to remind abo

doesn't know, and nobody knows well, september 16 was a shocking day for us at the time when georgy gongadzethe anniversary of the next anniversary of his disappearance and death. valentina tylichenko, the lawyer of the family of the murdered journalist , is in direct contact with us. i hope we will see now.

we have now, i want i remember that at that time, the ukrainian pravda, which was started by georgy gongadze, wanted to take control of er surkis. whether to pay $400 for a month for the maintenance of this resource, i then worked in the city of raspberry superbooks, well, it was the year 2000, i had just graduated from the university and i was paid $60, i remember. then i add that $400 at that time was damn small, well, if it wasn't a lot, but it wasn't some key money, but georgy, the host says that he wasn't sold for any handouts that wanted to buy him one way or another in such a way as, well, the first at that time such an independent information resource and i would like to decide to ask you, ladies, and here is your last meeting with georgiy, did you have a feeling at the time that something like this could happen to him or was it a complete surprise? i remember for me, well, i didn't know georgy was very young in journalism at that time, but it was very somehow not unexpected. how did you rate it? a person who was familiar, who also knew the political situation in the country, please

unfortunately , i also want to say that in lviv on the avenue the tree of freedom planted in memory of georgy gongadzes already very, very big , and now the case is not being investigated, the state is still fighting, suffering in blood, in agony. well, i don't know . for some reason, i believe that after this war our society will change. i believe that after this after the war, we will look at the world differently and choose our power in a different way. we will not look in the direction of buckwheat or in the direction of populists. we will become adults and actually then we will be able to overcome the difficulties that we have now i want to remember that at that time the ukrainian truth, which was started by george gongadze , wanted to take control of er surkis well, er, that is grigoriy, not that igor which senior well, i remember historically there , he promised to pay $200 or $400 a month for the maintenance of this resource, i was then working in the city of raspberry superbooks, well, it was 2000, i just graduated from university and i was paid $60, remember. then i'm leading that $400. at t