when howard dean and dick gephardt were the front-runners all along, gephardt and dean went after eacher. people called it a murder/suicide. and gephardt and dean basically knocked each other out and john kerry and john edwards ended up coming in one and two in iowa. coming on very late about this same time in the cycle as we're seeing now leading up to the iowa caucus. so all of these ads that are attacking candidates 1, 2, 3 and 4 maybe it gives the chance for rick santorum who, as you said, has barely spent any money getting his message out in television to be a second or third choice of iowa caucus goers. but, again, let's see if those numbers hold up. people have come up; people have come down in this roller coaster of a caucus or primary season so far. >> woodruff: they sure have. that, in fact, is the signature of this republican contest. ken goldstein, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> ifill: for more on how the leadership change in north korea could affect u.s. policy toward the isolated nation, we turn to former u.s. ambassador to south korea donald gregg. he's now chairm

i got into this with dick gephardt. i didn't know i was putting the ads in the air. it was my campaign that did it. apparently gephardt wanted to take us down because he needed to win. we apparently retaliated. that was the end of both of us. so, you know, this is a bad spiral to be in. romney's made the calculation he can afford to lose the iowa caucuses and he's got to keep gingrich from winning it at all costs. if that's his calculation, i'm not an expert on republican politics, but if that's true, he's going to succeed. >> why do you think gingrich is is slipping so fast? what is it? what has he done that has caused this spiral? >> well, look, these negative ads work, ed. i hate to say it, but they do. they're throwing everything at him but the kitchen sink. attacking him. gingrich doesn't have the money or organization to respond. gingrich took off only about two or three weeks ago. so now he's suddenly going to come up with this iowa machine that everybody else -- not everybody else -- but ron paul and mitt romney have had for months? it's just impossible. it's

they said, paid for by dick gephardt, howard dean, super pacs didn't exist. time you've got negative attack ads on newt gingrich and they don't end by saying paid for by mitt romney, they say paid for by the. ac no one's ever heard of. in 2004 in cost those two two implode and john kerry rose from the ashes and won in iowa. this year it's hurting newt. mitt romney's poll numbers have been stable. >> i want to move to a debate here and now, here in washington. mary matalin, i assume you read the "wall street journal," though you have moved out of town to new orleans. conservative editorial page, normally kicking the democratic administration saying president obama wants to raise our taxes, wants to regulate the economy until he chokes it. that's normally what you see on the editorial pages of the "wall street journal." today you see a slap at the republican leadership in congress over the payroll tax extension. they say, quote we wonder if they might end up re-electing the president before the 2012 campaign begins in earnest. the gop leaders have somehow manag

eight years ago on the democratic side, a gephardt and howard dean were in front. they attack each other relentlessly. kerry and edwards slipped by, won iowa, and of course were on the ticket. a lot of the candidates whose heads were about that it's got a lot of our to the incoming as a result, except said tora. p -- except santorum. paul attacking bachmann, bachmann attacking gingrich, etc. -- the only one who is not untouched its central rate he is getting his moment now, but the timing is perfect, because it is at the end. there was one attack on him a day or two ago, but it is not going to work. he now, if he emerges in the top three, will be the non-romney. ron paul is not a plausible presidential candidate in the end. we will see how he stands up to it. every other candidate who has had his moment in the sun has come down. >> it is more than just not being attacked. he has some positives that have not been notice as much outside of iowa. the evangelical conservatives in iowa, a big part of the constituency, have been the ones who have been shifting and shifti

eight years ago on the democratic side, gephardt and howard dean were in the front. they attacked each other viciously in ads. at the last moment, kerry anne edwards slipped in and of course were on the ticket. -- kerry and edwards said in an aura of course were on the ticket. all of those with their heads above the edges have gotten a lot of artillery it at them as a result, except santorum. the only one who has not been touched is santorum. he is now the one who is getting his moment, but the timing is perfect, because he is at the end and there will be any time. there was one attack on him a day or two ago, but it is not going to work. he will now, if he emerges, probably top three, be the non- romney did ron paul is not a possible presidential candidate in the end. i think he will get in coming, and we will see how he stands up to it. every other candidate who has had his moment in the sun has come down. >> is more than just not being attacked, though. he has some positives that have not been noticed as much outside of iowa. the evangelical conservatives in iowa,

you had howard dean attacking gephardt. as a result, who snuck in? you had kerry two was the eventuaeventual nominee and edw. >> chris: let's talk about the kerfuffle between michele bachmann and ron paul where her campaign manager, her iowa state campaign manager, state senator named sorenson jumped ship yesterday and endorsed paul. she immediately said that sorenson had said to her that she was doing it because he had been offered money by paul. paul and sorenson flatly deny it. is this helping any of them? >> no. it's absolutely not. funny. we talked about the report last night and talk about the iowa surprises. here, we have one. who knows how to explain this? we have explaining on fox news earlier someone still working for michele bachmann essentially get his back saying there is no money involved here. i don't know where the claims are coming from. >> chris: a guy working for michele bachmann? >> yes. >> no longer working for michele bachmann. he was fired. >> right. not surprising. >> a little offmessage. >> this doesn't help anybody. i mean i

. >> he used to work for gephardt, didn't he? >> it is possible. >> now, is there a professional staff as well that goes through administrations? >> yes but it is not a professional stuff like you'd find in most federal agencies in two respects i suppose the first is that it is dominated by a ph.d. economist who wouldn't find the average agency but the other is the work it the pleasure of the director that is a director could come and just clean house on day one if they wanted to come and in that respect the relationship of the stuff and the director is like the relationship of a congressional staff member of congress. no director has ever come in and decided to clean house on day one because there is a lot of expertise obviously that presides in the cbo staff so the practice has been for the cbo staff to stay from one director to another but that's really because that's what the directors had chosen to do. there was actually one case when june o'neil who was the director appointed just after the republicans took back to congress

latest version was, could sort of pass the cbo test spin and doug elmendorf used to work for dick gephardt, didn't he? >> i'm not sure of that. it's possible. >> is there a professional staff as well as cbo that goes through administration? >> yes, there is, although interestingly it's not a professional staff like you'd find in most federal agencies. well, in two respects i suppose. the first is its dominant ip chief economist which we cannot find in your average federal agency. but the other is that the cbo staff actually work at the pleasure of the director. that is, a director could come in and just clean house on day one if they wanted to. and in that respect the relationship of the cbo staff to the cbo director is sort of like the relationship of the congressional staff to a member of congress. no director has ever come in and decided to clean house on day one, because there's a lot of expertise obviously that resides in the cbo staff. so the practice has been for cbo staff tuesday from one director to another, but actually because that's what the directors have chosen to do. there's

we remember when gephardt and dean attacked each other on democratic side in iowa, the iowas aren't accommodatingthe negative campaigns. you could be something of that. the other thing is slight decline in gingrich number. it could be artifacts. these are small samples and people are taking polls every night. nonetheless, it could be that some of the conservative electorate is getting more knowledge about his past and some of the business affairs like with freaks freak freddie e sheen might wear off. >> bret: this just in. house passed cut of payroll extension. this is the payroll tax cut extension that includes the construction of the keystone xl pipeline, which they said is nonstarter. the administration said this won't fly either. now standoff of the omnibus legislation, spending for the government. with government shutdown looming friday night. all of that said. mara, back to 2012. >> back to 2012. >> bret: thought on iowa and ron paul gaining support here. we have seen these organizationally strong in this state. >> organization counts for a lot in iowa. anything can stop newt gingrich conso

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the first is that i had the benefit of working for president richard gephardt 24 years ago and as a democrat he won the iowa caucuses. the the other thing that's interesting to pay attention to is you don't hear a conversation about new participants the way that you did for barack obama in 2008. are there a lot of new people that are going to flood those church basements and school cafeterias? at the company where i work, the other thing that we've been paying attention to, the analytic team has been combing social media to see where that intensity is and they are really seeing it in the conversations about gingrich. >> yep. >> and the attacks on him and from the paul people. you don't see santorum with an online presence quite with the level of intensity that you do from ron paul's people. so take your polling, measure that with a little bit of analysts of social media, and don't forget barack obama had tremendous intensity in social media and in the digital world last time. then the last thing i'd remind you is that that bounce into new hampshire and buchanan and mike huckabee out of iowa

paul simon and dick gephardt people are still mad at the state party back in '88 because of the virtual you this sunday. nbc's "meet the press" will be live in iowa. they got the exclusive interview with former senator rick santorum, the man of the moment, and he's only going to be seen on sunday on "meet the press." we'll be right back here from java joe's. our caucus countdown continues. they're captaining up and getting ready to go. but first here at the white house no soup for you. the white house mess is closed today. there is no school voucher. good luck. we'll enjoy good soup out here. java joe's the soup of the day is loaded baked potato. only in iowa, right? carve it up. you're watching a special edition of the daily rundown live from des moines. on my jou, i've learned that when you ask someone in texas if they want "big" savings on car insurance, it's a bit like asking if they want a big hat... ...'scuse me... ...or a big steak... ...or big hair... i think we have our answer. geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. ♪ that's good morning

the first is that i had the benefit of working for president richard gephardt 24 years ago and as a democrat he won the iowa caucuses. the the other thing that's interesting to pay attention to is you don't hear a conversation about new participants the way that you did for barack obama in 2008. are there a lot of new people that are going to flood those church basements and school cafeterias? at the company where i work, the other thing that we've been paying attention to, the analytic team has been combing social media to see where that intensity is and they are really seeing it in the conversations about gingrich. >> yep. >> and the attacks on him and from the paul people. you don't see santorum with an online presence quite with the level of intensity that you do from ron paul's people. so take your polling, measure that with a little bit of analysts of social media, and don't forget barack obama had tremendous intensity in social media and in the digital world last time. then the last thing i'd remind you is that that bounce into new hampshire and buchanan and mike huckabee out of iowa

two of our team members, carl gephardt in texas and another. these two we found however dwarfed them by a factor of two. >> ifill: you describe them as absence of light is what a black hole is by definition. how do you know that what you're looking at when you find it is actually a black hole and not just space? >> so what we're able to do is we are able to estimate the amount of mass that enclosed within the orbit of these stars. since there's enormous amount of mass concentrated on a very small region in space, we believe the best candidate for the thing that is pulling on the stars will be a black hole. >> ifill: we know or we have an idea, i don't know if we can actually see how big they are, but how far away are they from us? is this something that seems closer than what you've seen before or is it farther away? >> the previous record holder was in a galaxy that's much much closer to ours, about factor of 20 closer. and these ones we saw are in a galaxy that's about 300 million light years away. that sounds like a very large distance. we k

gephardt ran in '88, in 2004 you had people say i remember from 11 years ago he was weird or i liked him. ron paul finished third in iowa last time when he was outspent a ton. right now he's a stronger third than he was last time. i don't think that there is the ingredients for ron paul to get the nomination. ask hillary clinton whether you have to get the nomination to have a huge impact and a future. >> to keep this going for a while. >> do you think he's had an impact so far? we talk about the poll that shift the polls to the right, you'd say that about michele bachmann and to some degree newt gingrich. has ron paul been successful in doing that? >> i think so. if you look at the debates in terms of introducing the ideas into the political mainstream. he challenged newt gingrich during the last debate over the patriot act. he's talked about things, whether or not we should allow iran to go nuclear. he thinks we should. i don't agree with a lot of what he has to say. i think it's healthy for the conservative movement and the republican party. the great tradition of the conservative

. >> mitt romney has another problem, he might be in a position where dick gephardt, where howard deaname in and surged to the top in 1994. he raised his own well doing it, john kerry went up right the middle. your third candidate. >> talking about some of the things that newt gingrich said, we're all focusing because he's the front-runner, we want to know how this plays out. he says some pretty alarming things. he said this week that palestinians were invented people. it came up last night in the debate. let's listen. >> do you agree with that characterization that palestinians are invented people? >> no. i don't agree with that. i think that's stirring up problems. >> is what i said historically true? yes. somebody should have the courage to tell the truth. these people are terrorists. they teach terrorism in their schools. someone has to stand up and say, enough lying with the middle east. >> i agree with most of what the speaker said. except saying that palestinians are invented people. i think that's a mistake on the speaker's part. i don't think we want to -- maybe not. >> no, he

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in 2004 gephardt and howard dean went at each other tooth and nail. backlashed against that. and you ended up seeing john kerry and john edwards finishing first and second. you want to make your point and don't want to let any attack go unanswered. but you can turn off voters if you are too aggressive. megyn: is anybody nervous and what is your pregame ritual? >> reporter: you always get a little bit nervous at the beginning. i called my 4 1/2-year-old to get my words of wisdom. megyn: i thought were a bachelor. you are out. >> reporter: i'll go sit in a room by myself completely quiet for 20 minutes before the debate and go over the questions and i want to own the material before i go in there. megyn: i learned it from the tina turner documentary. >> reporter: i am nervous. i'm going to have a ralph cramden moment. it's worth it for our viewers to watch. when bret is ready, we'll take over the derivatives question. megyn: where will we be in this scenario where bret is reading our question. here we go. see you guys tonight. 9:00 p.m. eastern time. th

is helping take newt gingrich down somewhat in the polls, but if you go back to races like dick gephardt was said to be hurt very much by his barrage of negative advertise. it was also thought to hurt howard dean back in 2004. >> so, let's talk about romney and his response to that saying his campaign is not targeting gingrich with negative ads. these are political action committees. who are these political action committees? they support one candidate over another, but are they cover for the campaigns? >> well, they conserve that way. certainly romney has benefitted from a super pac that has bought a lot of advertising. that sort of lets him hang low, lay back and keep on his message about his economic platform while the super pac does the dirty work, so to speak. >> let's talk about the bottom tier candidates. this is not all said and done, even after iowa. it's possible we might see some surprises and some upsets. we know there is that statistical dead heat but what about bachmann, santorum and others. what is their potential for a rise and what do they need to do? >> well, lots of pe

. >> remember in 2004 when gephardt and dean got into it and kerry came up the middle.his will only help bachmann if this continues going tit for tat. >> but this sl final core back in november. it was never like this. until january. >> 3:00 call. >> all the talk, all of the republican conservative talk about -- and rick perry has an add. president obama's war on religious yob, war on christmas. last night, our sister member tnt, hosted a washington pageant. i will play an excerpt because it was good. the president was there, first lady, daughters. justin bieber, cee lo green, jennifer hudson. watch this. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> it is especially great to be here during joyous season when we celebrate a worship child by millions around the world. speak of course, of justin bieber. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ it led me to a miracle >> the story of jesus christ changed the world. for me and for millions of americans. his story filled our hearts and inspired our lives. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> if there's a war on religion from this president or a war on christmas, it certainly wasn't evident. >> you want to replay the whole