i remember them together while the nixon library was dedicated in 1990. >> gerald ford lived to 93. he is the longest-living american president to this date. >> we have some video of his funeral. can you talk about -- there is mrs. ford. can you talk about her role in planning the funeral services? >> we had a number of meetings that began several years out. it involved a military district in washington. he was adamant that he did not want a horse drawn -- she kept saying, keep it simple. think of the kids. this was first and foremost a family event. >> did any of the four children entertain political careers themselves? running.onsidered >> how long after her husband died did that mrs. ford herself die? >> she died on july 8, 2008. 4.5 years. she died of being 93. >> we have photographs of their gravesites. >> this was something that was the ford museum is located on the banks of the grand river in downtown grand rapids. from the beginning, it was planned. many recent presidents, that they would be interned at the sites of their libraries or museums. into thesign, built hillside. it

years, act in later n 1980 it sounds president reagan very seriously thought about having gerald ford on his ticket as his running meat and i also know that in the 1990's particularly after president reagan wrote his letter to the american people revealing his alzheimer's, i know president ford visited him more than once after that. and whatever old animosities there may have been were long since evaporated. of course even more so with jimmy carter. about heroing to talk interest in issues. was she simply a supporter of her husband's beliefs and values? >> publicly she was aurguably the most political first lady since eleanor roosevelt. she was the most outspoken advocate. she publicly disagreed with her wade case the row v. which she decussd on the 60 minutes interview and other venues. so she was very much an independent force. and initially that terrified people in the white house. after the 60 minutes interview, the president said jokingly you've lost me 20 million votes. it was only a few days later when the first polls came in and the people in the white house were astonnished t

among them the gerald ford library. the interest of full disclosure. y to be as objective as possible. but i was very fortunate to become good friends with both the fords. >> we want to start tonight's story we left off. 19 eu7 when the ford's learned they were going to be in the white house. how much of a surprise was it for them? >> it's one of the things i find almost 40 years later. i recently took part in an oral history project which included about 150 of the ford's associate. including all of their children. you would think every other american household the summer of 1974 at some point sat around dinner table discussing what was happening and what might happen in the white house. the only dinner table in america where that discussion apparently took place was the ford's. for mrs. ford, i think it really was a case of denial in a lot of ways. she said august 9, 1974, was the saddest i did of her life. i think in part she felt badly for the country even more for nixon and the nixon family who were good friend of the ford's. and finally she had nev

not with gerald ford. he was a house minority leader and wanted to be speaker of house. there was never any pressure on us that he would be president. it happened overnight, very quickly. we barely had time to comb our hair. within days, nixon resigned. we moved to the white house. to our advantage as a person, there was no chance to worry about it. it happened so quickly. that allowed us to come in and not have a chance to change. we got to be ourselves. >> how old were you? >> i was 18 when dad became president. i was getting ready. to our advantage as a person, there was no chance to worry about it. it was i was two or three weeks august, 1974. away from going to duke university. my freshman year and all of a sudden, i get 10 secret service guys. that is not the group you hope to hang with at 18. i kept having visions of moving into the freshman dorm at duke and 10 guys with machine guns do not work for me. i said, i am not ready to go to college. take a year off. they let me. i took my 10 secret service agents. i moved to montana to work on ranches. i fell in love wi

some nature and gerald ford. were you first of all i. agree. if you actually people are going to try to not. we haven't so it was decided that. the new york times would approach government right the memorandum separated we had. to sit with one's not the embassy in london. to see you well we would go to the right not because we need or. through you. and the second shot was a set up but it's the. only agencies. run rate aim was to just go. in who can use. good afternoon you probably have seen either in person or on the t.v. screens the. state partly thing that we just finished i won't repeat everything i said at the start they are but two of the. most significant response to what has happened is exactly what secretary clinton is doing in a style of kazakhstan as we speak you know she is there working constructively on cooperation and security in a very important part of the world clearly the release of the unauthorized release of these documents you know. represents risk to the united states and to others with whom we collaborate. in this this is

>> the gerald r. ford library opening.hey were doing a formal picture, president bush 41 did this for my benefit. he was a guy who was jumping out much airplanes when he was 85 years old. mrs. bush saw what he was doing and said, "george, won't you ever grow up?" >> this photo is a beautiful one between michelle and barack obama. >> today i think it's one of the nicest moments between the president and mrs. obama that we have seen captured on camera. it goes to the heart of the relationship, like a high school prom picture, where the gallant guy has given his date his coat. this is in an elevator. i refer to as the best night of his presidency because it was day 1, before all the problems started piling up. >> right. >> and it shows a loving relationship between these two folks. and i really like that picture. >> tonight at 11:00 on al jazeera america we'll take another look at david hume kennedy's photos. including the one that won him the pulitzer prize. >>> dozens of photos, the lunar aircraft touche touched down lat sa

in fact, at the ford funeral, jimmy carter noted that he and gerald ford worked together on 25 different projects. by the end of just that flight, they had already agreed to appear at one another's library. so, it really seems to be one of these rare moments where two people who never normally would socialize are forced into a situation where they have to and it turns out they get along swimmingly. >> fascinating to see if anything comes from this particular flight. jake tapper in washington for us tonight, thank you. >> thanks, brooke. >>> the nsa and this new revelation from that seemingly endless stream of leaks left behind by edward snowden. this one makes spycraft sound more like a game than real life when, in fact, it is a game featuring these guys. goblins, elves, dwarfs, trolls. could they be the new faces of terror or nsa spies under cover? the new leak indicates they may be both. stay with me here. according to documents obtained by snowden and share would the "new york times" among others, nsa spies infiltrated this online fantasy game known as world of warcraft. roamed these

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also the historian gerald ford was in the states and the sudanese civil war during that eight is expensive one at the last one to another country on the wall. states was basically the midwife for south sydney's independent united states and israel were opposed to the khartoum based government not least because it was seen as being anti israel and was perceived as being pro palestinian. not only that but there is oil in sudan and the oil is in the south and spoke out to the norm. and then there's the china questioned the chinese state oil company is deeply invested in south sudan and foiling the chinese was also seen as the school room which could be accomplished through the independence of the session was upset that chevron felt that it would be in their best interests in south sudan were to see because it would be easier to exploit the oil in a divided country as opposed to united that was a major re use and driving. this led to the map were talking about hundreds of thousands of barrels of produce to sell today and it was what all it's roughly a hundred dollars a barrel. you can see that

than two weeks or this country gain in the pants from the north two years ago according to a story gerald ford that was a big. mystic united states was basically the midwife for south sudanese independence united states in its real world posed to the khartoum government not least because it would seem as being anti israel and was perceived as being pro palestinian not only that but there is oil in sudan and the oil is in the self in this public. and then there's the china question the chinese oil company is deeply invested in south sudan and for allowing the chinese was also seen as a tool through which could be accomplished through independence of secession for self-defense chevron felt that it would be in their best interests if so sudan were to see because it would be easier to exploit the oil in a divided country as opposed to a united country that was a major reason driving the split do the math we're talking about hundreds of thousands of girls produced in so sudan and with oil let's get a hundred dollars a barrel and you can see that this is a pretty penny. and nature throws an unwelcom

distinguished commission and you could tell me that earl warren was not a patriot or senator russell or gerald ford i would then because because lyndon johnson lies to every want to look at all warren's memoirs he says chief i'm going to tell you the truth it was done by the russians we must cover this up because it means armageddon it means world war three millions will die so do it for your country that's why i think richard russell says on the day of the signing he says to johnson on the phone i don't believe a word of it johnson says either do i these learned men were conned by johnson and think that they were covering up a russian cuban conspiracy and there's no evidence of how do you think he set it up i mean what's your give me the modus here veterans happens sure first of all i think he doesn't do it alone he is the he is the chief appropriator for the cia he has long connections to the mob and he is the water boy for texas oil johnson sits on the committee that forms the cia johnson talks the black box budgets into his aerospace budgets his senate majority leader so he has funded the cia h

distinguished commission and you could tell me that earl warren was not a patriot or senator russell or gerald ford i would then because because lyndon johnson lies to every want to look at all warren's memoirs he says chief i want to tell you the truth it was done by the russians we must cover this up because it means armageddon it means world war three millions will die so do it for your country that's why i think richard russell says on the day of the signing he says to johnson on the phone i don't believe a word of it johnson says either do why these learned men were conned by johnson and think that they were covering up a russian cuban conspiracy and there's no evidence that how do you think he set it up i mean what's your are but give me a modus here veterans happens sure first of all i think he doesn't do it alone he is the he is the chief appropriator. for the cia he has long connections to the mob and he's the water boy for texas oil johnson sits on the committee that forms the cia johnson talks the black box budgets into his aerospace budgets to senate majority leader so he has funded the

the government actually paid people to purger themselves, and she was pardoned by gerald ford in thei don't think pardoning goes far enough. she needs to be exonerated. she was an american citizen, later -- pow -- jail, and later the american pows testified and said, look, she actually helped us. she smuggled food and medicine into us and she was putting in messages of where the japanese were going to bomb to warn the americans. she was on our side, and -- but because the president needed a -- needed a bump in the polls and the press wanted a good story, they just ran over this woman. >> what about thomas edison? >> there is stuff -- >> i don't like thomas edison. it's personal. i started liking him. american inventor -- >> sounds like a good guy -- >> no, he's not. not a good guy. >> how so? >> google top see the elephant. it's thomas edison electrocuting an elephant in front of a crowd, an elephant horribly abused and did it to prove how bad westing house really was because he was for battery power or direct current which would put a power plant every mile and a half. absolutely un

reagan and two against gerald ford. >> in three days. >> manson gang and the crazy sarah moore who tried to kill president ford because she thought he was waging a war on the left this america. they are always left wing or they think they are king edward of england and president johnson owes us money. >> we'll see you on the radio tomorrow. >> and a book signing this weekend, i hear. >> in ft. myers. >> i think so. >> i will introduce you on saturday. we think at 11:00. it will be on hannity.com. >> that's early for me. >> poor coulter has to get up before noon. good to see you. >> good to see you. >> coming up. >> it was about taking back our country with the tea party. it was racial. >> i will not sit here and allow you to say that. >> nbc news are pushing the absurd narrative that the tea party is motivated by race. an outspoken tea party supporter clashes with with a democratic strategist ahead. a subaru... ...are the hands that do good things for the whole community: the environment, seniors, kids, and animals. that's why we created the share the love event. by the end of this year,

he served as director of the gerald ford presidential library of museum, the herbert hoover presidential library, the ronald reagan presidential library. and lincoln. let's not forget springfield. host: he is here to answer questions. margaret is up next. caller: hello. happy new year to everyone. the lack of majority in congress senate for a second-term presidency, does that have anything to do with the polls , and the less effective the president has become? guest: that is a great question. there is something called the six-year curse. that affects great presidents, insignificant presidents, across the board. that is in the sixth year of a yearidency, the off- elections tend to go very badly against the party in the white house. it happened to dwight eisenhower . it happens to franklin roosevelt in 1930 a. 1938. in recent years, george bush experienced it in 2006. 1998, inton did not in large part because it was a perception that there was a backlash against the impeachment attempt. by and large, the sixth year is a year that the party in power dreads. right now i have no doubt the dem

gerald ford was president and the united states was celebrating its bicentennial.he country was also going through what was widely regarded as a sexual revolution. that's when moore's troubles began. >> i was convicted of killing my wife in 1976 in the state of iowa. >> moore's wife, terri williams, was a dancer at a local club when their relationship began. >> i was just a customer. i just walked in off the street. we met, hit it off pretty decently, you know, and ended up -- well, we picked each other up actually, so we went to terri's apartment and made love and enjoyed each other's company, you know. we got married. then i began to have thoughts about terri. i thought maybe terri was a little bit different, you know. >> how so? >> i felt that the person was more like a man than like a woman, and i thought that the person maybe had been a man. >> why? >> from feeling into this area of their body, you know. i thought that's very similar to me, you know. it's like the person has had their sex organ removed. that's what i thought, you know, but i wasn't completely

the government actually paid people to purger themselves, and she was pardoned by gerald ford in the't think pardoning goes far enough. she needs to be exonerated. she was an american citizen, later -- pow -- jail, and later the american pows testified and said, look, she actually helped us. she smuggled food and medicine into us and she was putting in messages of where the japanese were going to bomb to warn the americans. she was on our side, and -- but because the president needed a -- needed a bump in the polls and the press wanted a good story, they just ran over this woman. >> what about thomas edison? >> there is stuff -- >> i don't like thomas edison. it's personal. i started liking him. american inventor -- >> sounds like a good guy -- >> no, he's not. not a good guy. >> how so? >> google top see the elephant. it's thomas edison electrocuting an elephant in front of a crowd, an elephant horribly abused and did it to prove how bad westing house really was because he was for battery power or direct current which would put a power plant every mile and a half. absolutely unworka

that is when jimmy and gerald ford began talking a lot of each one saw how much -- they thought similarly. and then betty and i started working and we developed a wonderful relationship. there are several first lady still living. is there a sorority of first ladies, in a sense? >> i had a good relationship ,ith betty ford and lady bird as long as she was alive. that is about it. -- we seenever been and ather at you fence library dedications. but there is never been a i had with betty ford and lady bird. >> when you are first lady, unity weekly luncheon with your husband. what was the purpose of that? ll, there are always things i wanted to ask him and some less about the family and finances and things going on back home. we also talked about issues. i would say it was more family and personal things that were going on. that gave us time to do that. there until about at the ovaly stayed office a good bit in the daytime and did not go back much at night. but in august he started climbing about 4:30 in the afternoon. my office was in the east wing. but he started climbing and said, let's go

. >> reporter: and americans of a certain age can't quite forget president gerald ford slip sliding down the stairs of air force one in austria. ashton's fall much gentler, now a treasured brush with white house fame. >> she'll be able to look back and say i was at the white house and got a chance to have a very special moment. >> that was major garrett reporting, so cute. even though dad is from alabama and mom is from texas, the gardner family now lives in germantown, maryland. >>> we begin with wusa9 news at 6:00 continuing with the coverage of our breaking news of the evening, former south african president nelson mandela passed on. he was 95 and he had been in ill health for some months now. >> the country's current president jacob zuma made the sad announcement a little over an hour ago. >> south africans, nelson mandela, the founding president of our democratic

horse races this sport of skiing and if so it is a sport of presidents from theodore roosevelt to gerald ford at the university of michigan a lot of presidents have had a real interest in the sports of football and if you ask the people in this building to is your favorite football playing president dave would say ronald reagan. to play football at eureka college later was a play-by-play man up for the hawkeyes on who radio of the biggest them from his role in who brought the all-american? that is where reagan got his nickname and i think voter dame and college football brought to a lot more from ronald reagan. . . >> it's a right way of living that none of us will ever forget. they were professional athletes posing as amateurs. they were paid in other sports, and, also, they were heavy gamblers, and he hung out in pool halls at night, hustled people for money, both bet on notre dame, and we know george as, you know, probably the greatest player that played at notre, and the guy reagan played in the movie, he averaged 6.3 yards a carry. his grade point average was like 0.0. the first two and

from everyone from theodore roosevelt to gerald ford playing at the university of michigan, an awful lot of presidents who have had a real interest in the sport of football. and i think if you were to ask the people in this building, you know, whose your favorite football playing president, they would probably say ronald reagan. and while reagan a lot of people don't know played football at eureka college. he later was a play-by-play man for the university of iowa hawkeyes on w.h.o. radio. his biggest involvement in football and, of course, from his role in the movie knute rockne, all american. in that movie of course ronald reagan got his nickname by playing george egypt, the gipper. and i think notre dame in college football got a lot of more from ronald reagan. what i mean by that is if you watch that movie, knute rockne all american, there's a sense in which a notre dame they were not only building young bodies on the football field but they were building character. that they were basically building young men. a kind of propaganda for notre dame. what i mean by that is if you wat

to close calls with gerald ford, as you have written in your rate in books where you were about the campaign's. he was nearly killed in 1981. numerous assassination spreads. >> host: how we compare? how does that compare to other republics? we have more than most republics, at least to the extent we know. a lot of this was never revealed. >> guest: i think you have to look at the close call. just in the 50 years prior to kennedy you had teddy roosevelt shot as he was running for the second term. in an instant almost everyone has forgotten that herbert hoover came near to death as president-elect traveling in south america, revolutionary group tried to blow up this train. franklin roosevelt as president-elect within inches. he was saved by inches. harry truman, as i mentioned. so you have for presidents just prior to kennedy, yet if you were asked the secret service on november 201st 1963, they would have said, we have a perfect record, which they did. they started guarding presidents after mckinley was assassinated. on air force one right after the assassination, a secret service agent who had

gerald ford and ronald reagan living in the early 90s passing his record that the time.tell us about lou hoover's death. >> lou hoover had continued to be physically active as we talked about earlier in the show. she was riding a horse and camping and sleeping on the ground up to her late 60s. she had wanted to continue to live in palo alto but herbert found he enjoyed the intellectual stimulation of new york city so they had an east coast-west coast kind of marriage until 1940 when he convinced her to make her base with him there in new york city and they lived in an apartment in the waldorf astoria. she had gone out to dinner with a friend, january of 1944. and started to say let's walk back, it's a lovely effect. she said never mind, let's take a cab. she sad good-bye, went upstairs to her apartment. bert was going with a dinner with his friend. he said let me say good-bye to lou. she was collapsed and on the floor. she died of a heart attack. >> timothy, you're on? >> caller: i'm timothy large, i'm the grandson of gene henry large, the sister of lou hoover and i want

. >> host: gerald ford post-presidency, active on corporate boards and party politics, lived int the age of? >> guest: 93, the longest lived american president to this day. >> host: we have video of the casket in state and the capitol building. can you talk about -- there's mrs. ford there. talk about her role in planning the service. >> guest: well, she was very much a part of it. she -- we had a number of meetings to begin, actually, several years out, and, of course, it evolved in the military district of washington, the professionals there, and said the one thing he was adamant, he did not want a horse drawn case through the streets of washington, and she kept saying, keep it simple, keep it simple, think of the kids because to her, this was only partly a public event. this was first and foremost a family event. >> host: did any of the ford children entertain political careers teems -- themselves? >> guest: i know jack was interested in a while, gave serious thought in running, but i don't think any others have. >> host: how long after her husband did she die and how? >> guest: d

gerald ford will stop. and passage of this authorization will prove to our airmen and sailors our unwavering support." that's what we're talking about because these guys are out there with the -- and i would repeat, i see my good friend from arizona, senator mccain, on the floor, and i would say that i've been talking about the condition, the degraded positi position -- condition of our military right now and how much worse it's going to be if we're not able to do the -- this bill that i've outlined in some detail and hopefully it will be successful in doing that. the presiding officer: the senator from arizona. mr. mccain: mr. president, i ask unanimous consent to engage in a colloquy with my friend from oklahoma. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. mccain: first of all, i'd like to thank the senator from oklahoma for his leadership and his dedication to getting this authorization bill passed, and i think that my friend from oklahoma would agree with me that there is no reason why we are where we

we have a carrier -- nobody would believe what is going to cost, the gerald r ford. 35's that are way over budget. they are still going to cost two times or three times what they were projected to cost. incompetency because there is no adult in the room and no control of buying something before you know what you want. atneed to make real changes the pentagon. you have people who are authorizing this who do not want real changes. they like the status quo. ella onat are. -- twitter. i do not always agree with him but i know he would be a great president. any interest? frustration is high enough. it is time for me to go home before i get in real trouble. i have done and been where i am going to be. host: senator coburn's fourth wastebook. you can see that on his website, coburn.senate.gov. you can look through that report of about 100 different examples of waste and unnecessary spending by the government. ken from georgia on our line for republicans. glad tosenator coburn, see you on the program. i have seen you on the other discussingn fox, your latest addition of government waste. -- e

americans of a certain age can't quite forget president gerald ford slip sliding down the steps of air a chance to have a very special moment. >> reporter: we asks the first lady's office if mrs. obama had any reaction to the commotion. mrs. obama decided to give the last word to ashton and her father. >> what a great story. >> thank you major. didn't ashton look pretty in her dress? i thought it was sweet. >> ashton was so composed got right up. good alabama-texas girl. >> you can rela >>> a little boy with a super 8 camera grew up to be an oscar winning director. peter jackson's latest chapter in the hobbit series is about to hit theaters. he shows john blackstone how he brought middle earth to hollywood. pretty school story straight ahead, only on "cbs this morning." ♪ clowns to the left of me jokers to the right ♪ ♪ yeah her gift ♪ ♪ i picked it out in a snap ♪ ♪ what made it genius ♪ ♪ was my camouflage wrap ♪ ♪ that's my kind of holiday ♪ yes you did. yes you did. no i didn't. no i didn't. yes you did. yes you did. no i didn't. no i didn't. yes you did. did not. [ male announcer

. >> gerald ford jr. and emily ford's beautiful girl. >> what a phenomenal name.ng? >> walker is my wife's mother's maiden name. >> a stud muffin from congress and you reduce him to this. >> he's got a good wife. he's got a good wife. >> good gene pool, i like that. >> can i ask you about the flu season? >> it's here. >> what's going on. >> we thought flu was lingering and popping up in a couple south central states, it has spiked. states from alaska to louisiana to new york. the big news is h1n1 is a big part of it. it got a lot of headlines. h1n1 is part of this year's flu shot. if you haven't gotten your flu shots, get it. >> it's not too late? >> it's not too late. it takes a week to ten days. even if you don't worry about the flu, the reality is, your shot is as good as anybody else's. unless you want to be flat on your fanny for two weeks, sick, sick, sick, it's not worth it and people die from the flu. >> what about if you are already feeling under the weather? >> if you have a cold, they will tell you to wait until you feel fine. otherwise, anybody 6 month

when you come in the white house after watergate, betty and gerald ford opened the white house up andt becomes the home of the american people again. it is no longer the siege or the bunker. the same thing is true during the roosevelt white house in the sense it is not the hoover bunker. it was very clear who was coming and going especially when my day started getting published. eleanor says who was there as -- who was spending the night, what they talked about and what they had for dinner. she would also have our own press conferences where she would tell people who the guests were and who was living there. >> it was a different time with so yes, people knew. the media and press. people would not take photographs of fdr and his wheelchair. we only have a couple of him. it was considered -- can you imagine in our youtube area today? -- in our youtube era today? they did not cover people's affairs and dalliances. things will percolate but they do not take on a cast of somebody watching like the clintons had to deal with during their presidency when the media was reading all of this and

gerald ford was right to pardon richard nixon. i don't know if that is popular. i think he was.e idea of a balanced budget amendment. at the federal level. maybe different at the state level. i cheer against -- let me qualify this, when it comes to basketball, in the summer olympics, i tend to cheer against -- i tend to cheer for the team playing the united states, in basketball only, because the united states is such a -- this is really unpopular. because the -- it is such a -- they're beating up on the -- the united states versus this toiny country. i shouldn't have confessed it. and that's the danger of this segment. >> in new york to say that. >> i'm sorry. i love you, america. >>> political figure came to office with a very conservative reputation, seems to be changing his tune. and he's winning praise from president obama. that's next. i have low testosterone. there, i said it. see, i knew testosterone could affect sex drive, but not energy or even my mood. that's when i talked with my doctor. he gave me some blood tests... showed it was low t. that's it. it was a number.

we are almost begin with gerald and betty ford.d a relationship -- >> glad you didn't say george and martha washington. >> we know you picked it up with martin van buren i think. but they weren't overtly affectionate together. >> but she was well liked. >> she was well liked and then she got in trouble. >> she got in trouble and then she made something out of that and we had the betty ford clinic. she emerged as a hero. >> jimmy and rose lynn carter, they were close. >> they were and they had a good marriage and people like to see that, i think. >> but you didn't see a lot of them together or they didn't do the kind of thing that we saw on barbara walters. >> i don't remember them doing that. >> nancy and ronald reagan -- i know you're getting old. take it from me. they weren't that overt. but then nancy and ronald reagan came on the scene and they why joined at the hip. >> they were. >> ronald reagan made no bones about it that nancy was his partner and they were in it together and that was all over the place and that benefitted,

well can almost begin with gerald and betty ford.ship -- >> glad you didn't say george and martha washington, thank you. >> you picked it up with martin van buren, i think, right after jackson. but they weren't overty affectionate together. >> but that was -- she was well liked, very well liked. >> she was well liked. >> and then she got into trouble and then she made something out of that, and we have the betty ford clinic. so she emerged as a kind of hero. >> and then jimmy carter and rosalynn carter. >> they were, and they had a good marriage. i think people like to see that. >> but you didn't see a lot of them together, or they didn't do the kind of thing that we saw on barbara walters. >> i don't remember them doing a bunch of that. >> but nancy and ronald reagan. i know you're getting old. take it from me, they weren't that overt. it was more of a quieter thing. but then nancy and reagan came on the scene, and they were joined at the hip. >> yeah, they were. >> ronald reagan made a lot of -- no bones about it that he -- nancy r

it's all cost plus and then you see with the f-35 critic gerald r. ford carrier total cost overruns because the contractors making money every time the dollar goes over. until they have if they know how to control costs but they also know how to milk the system and now there is no penalty for milking the system and no reward for controlling costs. >> wise and they're more support for this? there are $500 hammers and $600 toilet seats and yet there doesn't seem to be any progress made. how is this going to change? >> this is an going to change. the only thing that's going to change is for the american people to quit sending people appear with the motivation to do this. the reason i'm a term limited senators i don't want to ever fall into that habit of making a decision based on what's best for my political career rather than what's best for the country. that is why term limits or something that have to happen in this country. i guarantee you if you have strong term limits for people who would be here would not be the people who are here today. it would be

we have a carrier -- nobody would believe what is going to cost, the gerald r ford. f-35's that are way over budget. they are coming down, but they are still going to cost two times or three times what they were projected to cost. incompetency because there is no adult in the room and no control of buying something before you know what you want. we need to make real changes at the pentagon. you have people who are authorizing this who do not want real changes. they like the status quo. host: stella on twitter. i do not always agree with him, but i know he would be a great president. any interest? guest: my frustration is high enough. it is time for me to go home before i get in real trouble. i have done and been where i am going to be. host: senator coburn's fourth wastebook. you can see that on his website, coburn.senate.gov. you can look through that report of about 100 different examples of waste and unnecessary spending by the government. ken from georgia on our line for republicans. caller: senator coburn, glad to see you on the program. i have seen you on the o

we have a carrier -- nobody would believe what is going to cost, the gerald r ford. f-35's that are way over budget. they are still going to cost two times or three times what they were projected to cost. incompetency because there is no adult in the room and no control of buying something before you know what you want. we need to make real changes at the pentagon. you have people who are authorizing this who do not want real changes. they like the status quo. host: stella on twitter. she says, i do not always agree with him, but i know he would be a great president. any interest? guest: no. my frustration is high enough. it is time for me to go home before i get in real trouble. i have done and been where i am going to be. host: senator coburn's fourth wastebook. you can see that on his website, coburn.senate.gov. you can look through that report of about 100 different examples of waste and unnecessary spending by the government. ken from georgia on our line for republicans. caller: senator coburn, glad to see you on the program. i have seen you on the other program

carrier being built at this moment in newport news, virginia, named after the late president gerald r. fordillion. so i think both sides stand accused of rather abhorrent spending priorities. >> it seems that if you would poll most americans, they would see that this group needs continued support through these unemployment benefits. a "washington post" piece from this morning says republicans could face serious backlash over unemployment benefit expiration and they're looking at basically polls through four key republican districts and it shows according to the polling from ppp in this article that republicans for the most part support this too, but is it just not translating as we've seen in the past to d.c.? >> yeah, it's not translating to d.c. in any way, shape or form, particularly with folks who on the republican side who might live in mortal fear of being primaried. and for those normal people out there who don't know what that term is, hopefully, that means somebody from sort of the tea party right coming after them in a primary next year and perhaps talking about needless spending.

son of betty and gerald ford. your mother is one of the -- she is in our trailer. she's one of the inspirations and actually you turn around and she is our artwork for the series. she represents somebody who had influence and image. as a mother, talk to us about what she was like. >> mom -- i give her so much credit. you can say that about so many congressional wives. while their husbands were out in public and dad was at that time, the majority -- he was a house minority leader in the republican party. dad was on the road, maybe 200 nights a year out campaigning for other republicans trying to get a majority in congress. and mom to her credit, she was no one like many wives, she was back home making sure we got to the dentist and we got our homework done and got to football practice, wrestling practice. the glue that held the kids together while her dad was out to be a public servant. it was later in the presidency that she finally had a chance to blossom or shine and get her chance in the spotlight. during dad's time being a congressman, she drove the family. it

i cut my teeth on henry kissinger and nixon and gerald ford. that was an interesting place to start. >> host: are you seeing a trend toward more and more white house influence as opposed to -- >> guest: during the '70s for sure you see the influence of the white house and in particular the national security counsel. this is, you know, it's a trend that has been ramping up for some time. obviously. it reaches the apex and well known with nixon and kissinger. it's the department of state plays a larger role in my volumes. the carter administration than it does in my nixon-ford vom yum. i anticipate hearing from reagan that other agencies are going to play a larger role than the national security counsel. in the '70s you have, of course, two -- fundamentally three very strong national security advisers. you have henry kissinger -- [inaudible] kissinger in particular are very keen to leave their very well-thought out mark on u.s. foreign policy. >> host: kathleen at the state department. thank you for your time. >> guest: thank you for whenever we