. >> if you look at gerald ford, a member of the house representing grand rapids, michigan, he came to power as a republican role himself. did he have a unique appreciation for what democrats in the house were doing in 1975 and 1976 during when he was president? >> not really. he was resentful of the fact that he sought reformers as being disrespectful to the institution. many of the democratic leaders saw them that way as well. like the republican reformers and they beganer to emerge in the late 1970's, the democrats view their own party as part of the problem and they institutionalized power to conglomerate in the hands of southern, very conservative members who were impossible to dislodge and who prevented a lot of legislation from taking place. evennk president ford,

two people, the first one is vandenberg and a young man named -- hendrik: gerald ford. brian: how old would he have been? hendrik: he would have been 30 years old. brian: you are on the board of the ford foundation in grand rapids. you are currently vice-chairman. hendrik: correct. brian: were you chairman? hendrik: i was not. now the chairman is red cabinet, the person here in washington. brian: how big an impact is it that vandenberg is from grand rapids? hendrik: we grew up with ford as our congressman. he went to congress before i was born and then became president in 1974. so he is one of these figures that we almost risk taking for granted until he became president and we realized how momentous his brief administration was as a point of american history. he got his start through the offices of arthur vandenberg. brian: a historian we have had here a lot moved to grand rapids to do a biography of gerald ford. hendrik: we have occasion to get together occasionally. he tantalizes me with some of the research he is uncovering. on president ford. i have been privileged

senate republican leader had been hospitalized and the gop was represented by the minority leader gerald forda fruitful discussion, the president stopped to admire the congressman's tie. -- tie clasp. not to be undone, -- not to be outdone, he showed off his tie clasp with the initials lbj. then he was back to business for his message was scheduled for broadcast in a matter of hours. continue towould change a phrase here or a word for all practical purposes, the message was complete, his proposals locked in. all that remained was getting advanced copies to the press. [applause] >> i have come once again to this chamber, the home of our democracy, to give you as the constitution requires information on the state of the union. i report to you that our country is challenged at home and abroad. it is our will that is being tried and not our strength. our sense of purpose and not our ability to achieve a better america. we have the strength to meet our every challenge, the physical to hold forth decency and compassion at home and moral strength to support the cause of peace in the world. [applause

she won her first election running for marin county board of supervisors back when gerald ford was presidentpresidents and 40 years later, barbara boxer is still a political forsh

in trying to serve the president's needs or desires that we did not ask those questions. >> i, gerald r. ford, do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon on to richard nixon for all offenses against the united states which he -- >> president ford's pardon of richard nixon stunned the nation. nixon's legal problems were now over. >> when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal. >> by definition. >> exactly. >> the former president was still not accepting responsibility. three years after resigning nixon was paid to participate in an historic interview with the british television journalist david frost. at the very end, an inevitable question came up. >> do you feel that you ever obstructed justice or were part of a conspiracy to obstruct justice? >> he would not -- he would not really admit anything, not even mistakes or whatever. he was really stonewalling completely. and he was beginning to look like the haunted nixon of the actual watergate hearings, rather than the californian ex-president. finally, i said to him why don't go further than the word "mistake"? >> what would

i guess to our illustrious elected officials a brand new gerald ford aircraft carriers far more important to our well being than heating city schools and baltimore seems that congress is also ignoring the will of the citizenry they represent relegating us to a pretty low spot on the totem pole of congressional priorities which is why which is why it is time to break out the wood carver and start watching the harks. you get the. real deal with. the bottom. like you said i got. this. week so. rather than watching the hard sciences i wrote a bunch of guns out of the wall and see yeah goodness gracious little bit of a divide between what congress makes a priority and what we what we what yeah i'm not allowed to just get to it seems like this administration over and over again sort of says we'll get to it next week where a little later it's a little that all of us get are we got to it i see that in my taxes i don't consider that my light bill medical bills they don't take that i'm just barely about where it is pretty amazing our congress can just keep going to kicking the can down the road for

in trying to serve the president's needs or desires that we did not ask those questions. >> i, gerald r. fordnd absolute pardon unto richard nixon for all offenses against the united states which he -- >> president ford's pardon of richard nixon stunned the nation. nixon's legal problems were now over. >> when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal. >> by definition? >> exactly. >> the former president was still not accepting responsibility. three years after resigning nixon was paid to participate in an historic interview with the british television journalist david frost. at the very end the inevitable question came up. >> do you feel that you ever obstructed justice or were part of a conspiracy to obstruct justice? >> he would not -- he wouldn't really admit anything, not even mistakes or whatever. he was really stonewalling completely. and he was beginning to look like the haunted nixon of the actual watergate hearings, rather than the californian ex-president. finally, i said to him, why don't go further than the word "mistake"? >> what word would you express? >> and th

i guess to our illustrious elected officials a brand new gerald ford aircraft carriers far more important to our well being than heating city schools and baltimore seems that congress is also ignoring the will of the citizenry they represent relegating us to a pretty low spot on the totem pole of congressional priorities which is why which is why it is time to break out the wood carver and start watching harks. you get the. real thing. as you get to the bottom. just. like you that i got. this. week so. rather than watching the hard sciences i really went to the on top of the wall and. yeah goodness gracious little bit of a divide between what congress makes a priority and what we what we what yeah i'm not allowed to just get to it seems like this administration over and over again sort of says we'll get to it next week where a little later it's a little that all of us get are we got to it i do that in my taxes i don't consider that my light bill medical bills they don't take that. i'm just barely about where it is pretty amazing our congress can just keep going to kicking the can down the

brian: how much does gerald ford and vandenberg represent your own feelings in politics? henry: i grew up in an age where my political awareness i trace back to 1966. because that was the year hi a student teacher very interested in politics and we went down to our local tv station as election results were coming in. it was a big thrill for a 14-year-old junior high school student. that was the -- what may have been the peak year for what we would today call liberal republicans. there was scranton in pennsylvania. our own george romney in michigan. percy in illinois. brook in massachusetts. all these names that people may or may not remember were all -- most of them were elected or all in office that year. that, i think, was part of my conditioning as an adolescent from a republican part of the world but admire people, be aware of people who had really broad ranging and from a of the world generally moderate outlooks on public interest. brian: i don't know this can be done, i want to go down the list of things that you say that vandenberg was involved in. and ask you if h

. >> you don't impeach richard nixon because spiro agnew is vp instead of gerald ford? kennedy: we have so much more to discuss with the panel and we'll see them later. the russia investigation isn't distracting the president from his battles on capitol hill. he doubled down on his battle for the wall. he tweeted last night. if there is no wall, there is no daca. we must have safety and security, together with a strong military, for our great people. this after schumer took his previous offer for wall funding off the table. >> the thought was if we could come to an agreement that afternoon, the president would announce his support and the house and senate would get it done and it would be on the president's desk. he didn't do that. so we'll have to start on a new basis. and the wall offer is off the table. kennedy: so which side is going to cave in the white house or democrats? joining me national review's jonah goldberg. reporter: it's wonderful to be here. kennedy: at this point i'm more opposed to wall funding than chuck schumer. this is amazing to me that he admitte

and a pardon from gerald ford for and all crimes he may have committed.ne more relevant, now that inquiry is reaching critical mass. we have had impeachments and pardons, nevered in the sitting president has been criminally be indicted. can the president be charged with a crime. and if so, what would it look like? joining us, you worked for both of them. >> we kept going, the next day, after the saturday night massacre, to let people in the white house know we were still open for business, i was making calls and keeping appointments. >> you were in the front row of that announcement. >> i think the group of the staff, you saw me coming out, i looked a lot different. i had a lot more hair and was a lot younger. >> apparently, in the case of watergate, it never got to that the determination was nixon could have been indicted for crimes. the impeachment of bill clinton, 1998, it is proper, constitutional, for a federal grand jury to indict a sitting president, contrary to the president's official duties, nobody even president clinton is above the law. do you

it is the lowest among the past 12 presidents with gerald ford coming the closest with 45% approval rating after his first year in office. meanwhile, the democrats lead on the generic congressional ballot has narrowed. cnn/ssrs poll shows 49% of voters would choose the democratic party's candidate, down 7 from december. this comes as democrats are the most enthusiastic about voting in this year's midterms. 54% democrats said they are extremely or very invited to vote in november. >> interesting to see where the numbers go after the shutdown. we will hear more from senator lindsey graham and the lack of leadership from the white house. plus, the trump administration trying to distance itself from a controversial ad about eupl graz immigration. it's a trump campaign ad. >> we can't anymore say we will only move forward with the president moves forward. we just can't do that. this president has changed his mind several times. i will say that. >> somebody has to lead. the white house staff has been pretty unreliable. the house is locked in. i think the senate is the best body to lead the count

senator and congressman gerald ford gave the first response by the minority party. ever since then, each time someone he has been in the minority, to have appointed someone or some group of people to make the response. it is not a very easy assignment to get. are criticized and praised for giving the opposition speech. people will remember everything that goes wrong with it. there is almost no format. almost everyone is a little different than the one before. host: the president's motorcade is coming along or so protesters earlier. from a secret service and from a capital security perspective, is this a high alert night? because just as don mentioned, you have got all of the big leaders of this country, all of their guests, and what better place than right here everybody is gathered to protest so everybody can see them. even if they cannot to the protesting at a vigil, they are protesting the capital. this,would an event like the state of the union become a line item in your budget? what did it cost? bill: i don't remember. work in, there is kathleen. host: who is k

but it was named after the former president gerald ford and give the honor to a former student athleteance to play pro and went to law school. and it just -- >> you gave up a chance to play pro. >> thank you for -- [ laughter ] yeah, not quite the same. but i did but it's like there is a great ad that the ncaa -- it's wonderful that a former student athlete here who wept on to have a hall of fame career. but the majority of us who played in college don't go on to have a professional career but find ways to use those skills to be successful hopefully in life and in business. so i'm very honored that the ncaa at their national convention in indianapolis is giving me that award. >> i know it says you inspire women on and off the court but you inspire everybody. >> well, thank you. >> you really do. >> congratulations. >> thank you very much, george and michael. it's about teamwork and i could not have two better teammates right here. and that's what help me. >> you're going to make me cry. you're going to make me shed a tear. >> thank you. >> let me breathe. >> can i not ride the bike now

larry and his wife joan became became close ry friends and greatly respected president gerald ford who visited the third district and drew a huge crowd. larry represented our state along with our most prominent kansans ever, senator bob dole. larry was known as a congenial member who developed strong relationships with his colleagues on both sides of the aisle. while he spent his entire time in congress in the minority party, he was a proud -- he made a priority of seeking out opportunities and friends on both sides of the aisle. representative wynn served on the house committee of foreign affairs for many years ultimately becoming a ranking member on the committee. during his time working on foreign affairs, the united states grappled with major world events such as the cold war, vietnam war and conflict in the middle east. in addition to his role on the foreign affairs committee, he represented the u.s. as a congressional representative to the united nations. appointed by president reagan. in all of these roles, he was an excellent representative of our country to the rest of the wor

. >> president gerald ford gave videotaped testimony in the trial of lynette fromm who was trying to assassinate him. fromm was convicted in 1975. shep? >> shepard: thanks. 500,000 americans living in darkness. the latest on puerto rico and the conditions people are enduring months after the hurricane. >> shepard: weather alert now. this is what it looks like to get stuck in a massive mudslide, what it can look like, this is california highway patrol releashing dash cam video of two officers driving down the road when it turned to a river of mud and water and trees. look at that. that happened earlier this month in montecito outside santa barbara. mudslides there killed 21 people. california highway patrol reports the officers floated helplessly as they put it for about 15 seconds before their tires got some traction and they drove away. nearly half a million americans are still living in the dark, washing their clothes in bathtubs, more than three months after the hurricanes ripped through puerto rico. officials say it's the longest blackout by far in american history. some images i

let impeachment run the course which of course led to nixon's resignation and pardon by president gerald ford for any and all crimes he might have committed. it's an interesting question into the current president is reaching a critical mass. we've had presidential impeachments and pardons but never in the history of this country has a sitting president been criminally indicted. can a sitting president be charged with a crime? if so, what would that look like? joining us is a former assistant special watergate prosecutor under cox and leon jaworski. you worked for both of them. you kept on working. >> kept on going. the next day after the saturday night massacre to let people in the white house know we were open for business. i was making calls and keeping appointments. >> you told me you were in the front row of the announcement. >> there is also the group of the staff you saw me coming out. i looked a lot different. i had a lot more hair and was a lot younger. >> let's revisit the question. apparently in the case of watergate, it never got to that but the determination was nixon could have

this is the 19th shut down, as you know, since gerald ford. >> neil: what is interesting about this, they keep pushing the same idea, this is the first time with a single party in power. it happened multiple times with jimmy carter. we didn't have the furloughs, but we had shut downs and all of that. so there's something maybe intrinsically wrong with our system or maybe someone was telling me earlier on fox business, this is a transparent way of doing this. what do you think? >> oh, i don't think it's anyway to do business. look, there's two ways to divide this up. under ford and carter and reagan, the shut downs were very short. a week or a few days and they didn't have furloughs. they didn't have major consequences for the most part. it changed under bill clinton dealing with the republican congress. that's when it became sometimes a month long with massive furloughs and terrible political division and that continued really to the present day. there's been four like that. have we learned one thing from this, neil, and these shut downs since bill clinton? we learned that it doesn't

a historian we have had here a lot moved a grand avenue -- to grand rapids to do a biography of gerald fordto get: we have occasion together occasionally. he tantalizes me with some of the research he is uncovering. i have been privileged to be privy of some of that and it promises to be a terrific book. brian: how much does gerald berg and vandenberg represent your own feelings and politics? hendrik: i grew up in an age where my political awareness i trace back to 1966 because that was the year i had a student teacher interested in politics and we went down to the local tv station as the election results were coming in. and it was a big thrill for a 14-year-old junior high school student. that would have been the peak year for what we would call today liberal republicans. there was grant him pennsylvania, george romney, all these names that people may or may not remember were all -- most of them were elected or were all in office that year. that i think was part of my conditioning as an adolescent to come from a republican part of but admire people, be aware of people who have really broad

his successor, gerald ford then pardoned hum. was never impeached or prosecuted for anything related to that scandal. he's kind of the only one who got away clean, though. 69 different people were indicted in relation to the watergate scandal. and a lot of them went to jail. the white house counsel, john dean, he went to jail. attorney general, john mill tch, he went to jail. one was an assistant attorney general of the united states. he'd been part of creep, the party to elect the president. he was up to his neck in the watergate break-in. and in the cover-up of the watergate break-in. his name was robert martian. he was trying to get the burglars out of jail once they were arrested. he helped with hush money and with concocting the false story to put a shine on what had happened there with that burglary. robert martian was indicted in conjunction with watergate in 1974 and ultimately convicted and sentenced to ten months in prison. but in 1976 his conviction was overturned for a very unusual and specific reason. assistant attor

he was are also gerald ford's running mate in 1996. there you can see the capital row u ton da,-- rotunda, and we watching as it is preparing to begin and the remasrks are to b starting at 3:00 p.m. eastern time. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> ladies and gentlemen, your attention, please. the ceremony will begin shortly. please take your seat. silence all electronic devices and refrain from all flash photography during the ceremony. thank you. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> ladies and gentlemen, please welcome our honored guest, members of the united states house of representatives, members of the united states senate, the speaker of the united states house of representatives, the vice president of the united states and the president of the united states. [ applause ] [ applause ] [ applause ] >> ladies and gentlemen, the speaker of the united states house of representatives, the honorable paul ryan. [ applause ] >> please be seated. goo

. >> i think of 1975, when gerald ford's state of the union speech, he said the state of the union isd. [laughter]. and then he talked about unemployment and how dependent we were on others for energy. this time a president can say the state of the union is good and here's where we're going to go next. kelly: we're looking at factors as it relates to the economy. the fact that we're doing so well with unemployment. you are mentioning african-americans. there is also the women factor. how well they have been doing, in terms of employment. but, there are some people who will not attend the state of the union address because they're upset with the president and some of his rhetoric and his tweets, which have not only been tough but also disparaging to various groups of people in the eyes of those who are choosing not to attend? >> yes. that's right. and we also didn't mention senior citizens. as a senior citizen i have to say my 401(k) have performed better in the last year than they have the previous 16 years under two presidents, republican and democrat. but you're right, we live in a

gerald ford, george h.w. bush. some rising stars in the republican establishment, were put on after a johnson speech. and so it's been going on a while. but by and large, the show so to speak is the president. and to stand there and have all the world, all the political world look at you, has not turned out well for those folks. >> congressman kennedy of course comes from one of the most prominent american political families, but this is going to be his national debut. a lot of folks don't know much about joe kennedy. in a statement to "the washington post," he said, quote, i'm just hoping i can make it on and off the stage without tripping, dehydrating or ruining my career. how much is actually riding on his performance tonight? >> well, i think he has a calling card because of his name. his great, great grandfather i guess was mayor of boston and on down. i don't think this particular moment means a great deal. what seems to be in this particularly tribal political moment, and you spent every day thinking about t

he was -- the "gerald ford," touring it. he got word and was very upset.s we learned more, it was clear at that moment that he was surprised by this. and officials tried to get jeff sessions to stop this. now coming full circle about a year later, it's clear here that that was a key moment here. the president so furious about jeff sessions who he thought was an ally recusing himself. of course jeff sessions, longtime senator from alabama, recused himself under the advice of -- advice of the justice department there who said he was simply too close to this. so anderson, all this coming full circle. >> and the meeting the president's holding with members of congress and other cabinet secretaries up at camp david this weekend, i understand attorney general sessions was not invited. do we know why? >> he wasn't. as we speak now, president trump and leaders from the house and senate, speaker paul ryan, majority leader mitch mcconnell, and others are meeting at camp david, having a dinner now. other cabinet members there, as well. jeff sessions, attorney general

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of course he was pardoned by gerald ford, his successor. people always wonder was there something there in that back room in terms of the relationship. this time around everybody is talking about president trump, he going to pardon his son-in-law? is that something we're going to see in the beginning of the year here? >> i think that was part of the calculation when the president said well, i haven't looked at everything right now for flynn. but he may be pardoned. so he is basically dangling this maybe if you cooperate with me. >> this is a horse out of the barn there? he is already talking. >> he is already talking. but that's it. he has been talking the whole time. he is basically, while nixon tried to cover up, this president is tweeting out, right? and every single thing that he says, he has actually sat down with lester holt and admitted why comey was really fired because of the mueller investigation. he tweeted out and said the reason flynn -- distancing himself is because he lied to him and he knew he was tlieg the fbi. this preside

joining me now, ben stein, former writer for richard nixon and gerald ford, author of "the capitalist code." great to have you with us here, ben. let me start by asking you how much this institution, the state of the union, has changed since you were penning them back now a few decades ago. >> many decades ago. i would say it has become much, much, much more controversial now that we have such a controversial president in office, but bear in mind in the last two years of president nixon's administration, he was wildly controversial, as well. so the state of the union was wildly controversial, as well, but i think in terms of the issues on the table, as i've been watching your show and watch your station generally, you're not hitting what to me is the giant issue, the elephant in the room that really must be hit, and that is national defense. and it breaks my heart that we don't see more emphasis on that. that is a huge super issue. there's not going to be secure peace until america is militarily secure, and we're not militarily secure now. >> national security something the president

of serving with three different presidents and even before that have had the opportunity to meet gerald fordagan and jimmy carter. they're all charismatic and the point is that i've seen democrats and republicans who are critical of presidents of opposite parties all day long fawn all over him with the state of the union. because this is the president speaking directly to the american people, absolutely unfiltered. and i have seen the harshest critics run up to get a photo-op and you can watch on the democrats side of the aisle, how many are leaning over, wearing bright red dresses or, you know, maybe red ties to get noticed on tv, and they're going to be hugging the president as if they're old friends. i think that is an opportunity for both parties to build on that relationship. >> so maybe boycotting, we should mention that, though, just to be fully clear about that. jack kingston, alice stewart, thank you to both of you. appreciate it. >>> coming up, the trump administration is refusing to enact sanctions on russians for meddling in the 2016 election. but they did release a list of names

of course he was pardoned by gerald ford, his successor. people always wonder was there something there in that back room in terms of the relationship. this time around everybody is talking about president trump, he going to pardon his son-in-law? is that something we're going to see in the beginning of the year here? >> i think that was part of the calculation when the president said well, i haven't looked at everything right now for flynn. but he may be pardoned. so he is basically dangling this maybe if you cooperate with me. >> this is a horse out of the barn there? he is already talking. >> he is already talking. but that's it. he has been talking the whole time. he is basically, while nixon tried to cover up, this president is tweeting out, right? and every single thing that he says, he has actually sat down with lester holt and admitted why comey was really fired because of the mueller investigation. he tweeted out and said the reason flynn -- distancing himself is because he lied to him and he knew he was tlieg the fbi. this preside

[laughter] image of you laying down in the office of president gerald ford. if you weree -- july down in the office today with president trump would be your message to the president? alan: join me on the floor, mr. president. >> and what would you talk about? >> then the conversation would become classified. with the go classified combination. one of the mysteries, and what are the mysteries we saw in davos, is the mystery of modern technology. you were the arch keeper of data, whether its a of airlines or whatever. a grasp of technology influences on our economic growth today? : remember, you disaggregate output per hour which is the critical, long-term determinant of standards of living. there are many ways to come out of it. we now have a very large body of data which enables us to see where productivity is going. and for example, the slowdown in productivity over the last decade is very clearly the result of entitlements crowding out gross domestic savings dollar for dollar. and when gross domestic savings declines, and we can't borrow from abroad anymore

. >> if you look at gerald ford, a member of the house representing grand rapids, michigan, he came to power as a republican role himself. did he have a unique appreciation for what democrats in the house were doing in 1975 and 1976 during when he was president? >> not really. he was resentful of the fact that he sought reformers as being disrespectful to the institution. many of the democratic leaders saw them that way as well. like the republican reformers and they beganer to emerge in the late 1970's, the democrats view their own party as part of the problem and they institutionalized power to conglomerate in the hands of southern, very conservative members who were impossible to dislodge and who prevented a lot of legislation from taking place. evennk president ford, though he had spent decades in the house of representatives and in the minority, of course, he viewed the institution very referentially. he looked at some of the changes that were forced upon the institution by the reformers in a very negative way. he was quite outspoken by the fact that he felt the institution was un

bush, or gerald ford or jimmy carter or barack obama.as his party, donald trump is an independent brand. and that means he can point the boney finger $5 indignation at congress say you need to solve this. >> avoid your argument that he can would i the blame even if republicans take the blame. >> that is the true. >> stock market rally is not seen as republican rally, the republican party -- it was the trump rally. and so shutdown will be seen as democrat and republican fault not donald trump's fault. >> you don't get tax cuts through if you don't have republicans in congress and i think that is the question right now who is going to get blamed -- says republicans i think democrats could take blame. maria: i think so too. >> trump may be his own brand has to work with guys to get his brand stuff done. >> trump isn't on ballot in november all republicans are -- think an open question how party will do when donald trump is not on ballot. >> a question how long it lasts, i think he has a grace period the average government shutsdown since 19

it goes back to gerald ford actually, and squeaky fromme in the assassination case. don't think that trump has much leverage here. usually the leverage that a defense lawyer has in these kinds of cases is my client is just going to take the fifth. well, that's a near impossibility for a president. now, this is a president who does tend to break norms so perhaps he'd do that. i think we'll see bob mueller -- >> by the way, i think he's congenitally unable to take the fifth. >> he's going to want to talk. people say he has a lot of practice doing this in all this civil litigation and he can be disciplined. hard to imagine, but in these kind of instances he can be. boy, it's going to be tough for a guy as experienced as mueller, backed up by some of the best prosecutors in this country. so this is going to happen some way or another. >> michael, over the summer, a lot of republicans were talking like we just heard eric holder talk, that firing mueller would be crossing a red line. you saw a rush to come together with bipartisan legislation to protect mueller. that's pet

. >> 1975 gerald ford said the state of the union was not good but donald trump will say, jobs, jobs. doug, thank you, we will be right back >> live from washington, d.c. for president trump's state of the union address, maria bartiromo with the special edition of mornings with maria. maria: good tuesday morning, thank you so much for joining us here in lovely washington. i'm maria bartiromo, live from nation's capital this morning. 7:00 a.m. on the east coast. president trump hours away from delivering first state of the union address. he's said to focus on the progress and successes in his first year in office and the president previews the work that's gone into writing the speech. >> we worked on it hard, covered a lot of terms, including great success of the market and with the tax cut and big speech and important speech, important speech on trade, the world has taken advantage of us on trade for many years and as you probably noticed we are stopping that, we are stopping it cold. maria: fox business will have full coverage and analysis of the state of the union tonight, president

gerald r. ford had a $2 billion cost overrun. and i asked the secretary of the navy -- no, the chief of naval operations -- who was responsible for a $2 billion cost overrun. you know what the answer was? he didn't know. he didn't know. i mean, there's such a thing as accountability and all of the things that were just covered by the witnesses here that there's no penalty for failure. can you tell me one or two individuals that because of the failure, for example, $6 billion future combat systems that never worked -- can you tell me an individual or individuals that paid a penalty nfor that failur? yes yes, ma'am. >> senator, i would be more than happy to have a meeting in your office and talk about some actions we've taken over the past several months to get at that very issue. >> can you illuminate us as to what? >> we as a team are working very closely together to look at functions and individuals in osb and in the services, the duties they're required to perform and determining whether or not we have the right people in the r

>> he would joke about gerald karif, b kari ford. >> the tonight show jay leno kept it light. >> a lothink -- because of the kiss at the convention. >> leno, was, you can't tell how i vote. you have no idea how i vote from listening to me. >> even david letterman, the master of stinging insults, held back. >> does it bother you i'm always yakking about stuff? >> no. i'm glad you're saying my name. >> if you press david, what do i know? i don't know anything, i'm an idiot who tells jokes. >> then in 1999, jon stewart, a new late night host burst onto the scene. >> this whole trial is sexy. >> and the slant radically changed. >> there may be a woman candidate who will be elected president watching this evening. >> no, not on comedy central, sir. >> vaughn stewart really changed it. vaughn stewart brought big-time point of view to late night, consistent point of view. he wasn't always liberal, but he was extremely committed to certain issues. >> we are, as we speak, live from our election center studios in new york city's abandoned prostitute district. >> it was the 2000 presidential camp