gerald ford pardoned him, but gerald ford, the new president respected the rule of law.'t say the system was rigged. what gerald ford said in his inaugural address was this is the system that shows that this is a government of laws and not of human beings. the people rule. >> this obviously, michael, is not an isolation. this is occurring during a historically difficult time in terms of division in this country. is there a historical analogy about how the country might move forward from this moment? >> well, for more than two centuries, we've had a lot of very controversial legal verdicts. before the civil war, at the time of the cold war, you and i could list them for the next three hours. but the point is that here we are still standing. we're still a republic. the dna of america is to respect the rule of law, even if we disagree with it. there can be peaceful protests. a guilty party can appeal, but in the end, we always respect the rule of law. that's the essence of our country. >> all right. appreciate your perspective. as always, michael, thank you.

a absolute and true friend to the national archives and records administration as well to the gerald r ford foundation. how a friend is garrett graff well just to put it in a kind of small garrett is such a friend that when garrett writes out his check every year to the irs, garrett loves believe that every single comes to the national archives for our usage. i'm not sure. i'm not sure that is true garrett in fact, it probably goes like the tailhook of an f 35, buty friend, it's the thought that counts ladies and gentlen, garrett graff. it's. yeah. joel just stole what is normally my opening joke when i speak at a presidential library or museum, which is i'm just a huge fan of. the presidential libraries and museums across the country and i've been lucky. i think i've done research now at all. but three of them and it's they're just a wonderful network across the country resource for history. so i'm very appreciative of the work that archivists do across the country. so thank you so much for so you started by writing a book about robert mueller and the fbi getting a kind of sweet gig on cnn

that gerald ford in congress was the leading advocate for studying ufo that actually in the summer of 1966 he was congressman here he was the minority in the house and in the summer of 66, there is, a very famous series of ufo sightings at college here, michigan. and it goes on a period of about a week. there's one sort of very famous sighting at hillsdale, this glowing orb out in the forest behind one of the dorm that's witnessed dozens and scores of students in college administrators and police officers. then a series of other ufo sightings across central michigan at far ends, a couple of other locations. jalen hynek, astronomer, is dispatched by the air force up to investigate it and and he spends a couple of days going around the army and police michigan trying to understand what's happening and he eventually a press conference at the detroit press and it's the largest press event ever at the detroit press club where. he diagnoses the ufo sightings and dismisses them as swamp and it becomes one of the most sort of infamous government dismissals of ufo sightings in history and i

, whereas i think that in part of the richard nixon, gerald ford established a president of residentialmmunity for crimes committed in office that is now coming back to bite us in that you have donald trump, who has committed crimes seems to have committed crimes, has allegedly committed crimes before he was in office, during his time in office, since he was in office. and, one of the reasons that he is enjoying continued impunity, people clutch their pearls at the idea of this man being treated like any other criminal defendant. >> also, it is very strange that he would say that given the fact that donald trump is raising two trials in which the president cannot pardon him, the one in manhattan and the one in georgia and, if that continues to proceed. it is interesting to see he thinks by pardoning him on this, the classified documents and the community trial in d.c. that somehow or the january 6th trial -- >> that january 6th trial goes right to the heart of, critic system of government. i can almost imagine an argument if the president had the power to pardon him in the new york case

i came in on the north lawn, and we were in china with gerald ford. and there was a day when some he sat in the hotel waiting for for the phone call to go see but i went with betty ford to all these, you the seven schools. we went to the great wall of china. and barbara also cam along on these trips and we were in a museum and those of e house know kind of how to tell principal and how to get in close. of around and looked athing of the museum she went to the car with her camera crew. but we stood at the doorway of the museum. and we got a great interview with her. and ihought, yeah, she's a today. she was today showt. and it shows that doing, you know, news reporting cut forward to she has arrived at the abc newsmeet everybody and happened to be up on the executive tope ladies room and she came in years later came out and she she she came outany towels. can't afford t'm not going to say that millionlar salary is cut our towel allotment, bow, she had she had struggles every step those especially those early months and what did just one i realize you're

carter's failed president gerald ford's failed presidency. richard nixon's failed president.ad 70 horrible years where there was good news. it was all bad. and reagan reagan saw, this. and he said, look, i need to restore morale, because for the first time in history, in 1980, parents did not think they'd always thought every time, ever since been polled, parents always thought the future would be better for the children than had been for them until 1980, when that stopped. people not think that anymore. so the idea that joe biden is a great president is, just nonsense. it's poppycock. ridiculous. name one thing that he's been successful at other than spending money. and by way any more on can spend money. well, i also think that just you know reagan watched a few john travolta movies in the white house. i'm sorry. i think reagan. a few john travolta movies. yeah. he probably did. well, just to clear vulture, travolta was three. screen was no travolta. i really like him as an actor. i just said there's a joke. but travolta was a guest at, the reagan white house several times,

trailed gerald ford, lost in 1980, jimmy carter trailed jimmy carter, lost 1992. george hw bush. >> the same 2020 donald trump trailed. and then he lost. now the biden campaign clearly has reason to do this, but there is one democrat tonight who thinks that the president should stay far, far away from donald trump? >> i myself would never recommend going on the stage with donald trump, but the president has decided that's what he wants to do. i think format he has suggesting is a good one. >> my panel is here to discuss this with us, republican strategist joe opinion former senior white house communications age. i'm all simmons. cnn, political analyst, natasha al-furqan, special correspondent for vanity fair, bryan stelter to be fair, the last time donald trump and joe biden sharing a stage, one of them had covid, so say six feet apart or whatever, but is anyone surprised that this is actually happening? i woke up this morning and this was not on my bingo card i am surprised the president put this on the plate today, he called donald trump's bluff downtown, been r

. >> it's contradictory, gerald ford, i got to know him well. he told me why he felt that was the most honorable thing he had done. that is an outlying opinion. i get that. let's bring in msnbc host of "the last word" lawrence o'donnell. he's been until the courtroom. we have been talking about the mitt romney interview with stephanie ruhle last anything. >> i'm aware of mitt romney being the pardon advocate. history has proved the absurdity of this position. it wasn't terribly shocking when gerald ford issued the pardon to nixon. people felt it was a reasonable thing to do. it was a substantial segment of the population, half that disagreed with the pardon, and what history has shown is that pardon taught donald trump that presidents can get away with anything. that is the long-term damage, and advocating a pardon for the most criminal pardon that anyone has ever seen just put mitt romney into a level of obliviousness of where we are in trump world that was kind of shocking. >> can i ask you another kind of political question, and i'm going to

conversation yeah the point here is just not going on. >> reagan's republican party anymore or gerald ford'sepublican party. there has been a complete change in the parties. it's a party now of working americans, of revolt, of insurgency and that your question is, shows how much it's changed and that tells us a something about the country as well. the country is not the same as it used to be. and trump is part of that. he didn't start it. he harnessed it and he's pushing it forward. okay. maybe brown ray and 30 another 30-year-old reference wasn't the right one. what would marco rubio of six years ago say about bad what he saw there, what would frankly, any of the mainstream of the party that's not mitt romney, who was here and alive and active in the political process. but five or six years ago, say when they saw that and they just sort of, i guess you're still seems point. everybody has sort of been pulled in the direction of chanting bs at rallies. it's a fair question as to how is this still beating the president, right? and maybe it's a question about the current president, but still it

does he decide the nation is so divided that in a gerald ford moment, i want to try not to put a sentence man, even though with the gag order violations that occurred today, over and over again, against the court and the justice system and the jury system, he would be warranted? >> so what the judge does is complicated. what the state does, i think, is in some ways, less complicated, and i think is going to be fodder for people in jen's line of work. i think there will be -- it will be quite the sort of listing of all of the factors that make this crime and make this defendant serious. the judge is going to be thinking about precedent, and what has been done in other cases and how to treat him comparably to people who have committed this crime and assessing, you know, treating likes alike is the rule of law, and as we all know from having been in the courtroom, we know that is what judge merchan is going to be thinking about. but there is a litany of crimes that can be listed in terms of what he has done. starting with the trump organization case where there was a criminal conviction that

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the united states absolutely did not want this, and the president of the united states, gerald gerald forde secretary of state of the united states at that time, henry kissinger, they really wanted to help vietnam, they prepared all the documents once again, but the senate did not vote. cenato did not meet their requests, and that, and the troops of the vietnamese communists entered saigon, the americans had to in one day to organize an evacuation, something on 80 helicopters, they were not even going to, because they were sure that the senate would vote, and the president told them, listen, where are you in a hurry, everything is under consideration by the senate, well, no consideration took place, that is the review took place when there was nothing to review, so again, when we talk about all these... processes, we have to remember that they are complex, that it is not worth it for us to just sit and wait exclusively for the help of the united states, that we how are we different from south vietnam? firstly, the fact that we did not have foreign troops that could be withdrawn from us, we

the united states absolutely did not want this, and the president of the united states, gerald, gerald fordy of state of the united states at the time, henry kissinger, they very much wanted to help in vietnam, they prepared all the documents the next time, well, the senate did not vote, it was not to their request, and what, and the troops of the vietnamese communists. then saigon the americans had to organize an evacuation on one day, something like 80 helicopters, they were not even going, because they were sure that the senate would vote, and the president told them, wait, where are you in a hurry, everything is under consideration by the senate, well there was no review, that is, the review took place when there was nothing to review, so again, when we talk about all these processes, we must remember that they are complicated, that we just have to sit and wait for help. the united states is not worth it, what makes us different from south vietnam? firstly, the fact that we did not have foreign troops that could be withdrawn from us, we are fighting alone and will be fighting alone for

cultural democrats and economic democrats and the way they had never heard about before and not from gerald fordrichard nixon's that he was able to reach conservative senate republican and the democratic party. history was important to him. engraved in the wall of the reagan library is the declaration of independence and the constitution to very important documents to reagan and he cited more framers and founders and philosophers in his eight years as president than most president's do in a lifetime certainly more than joe biden. tapped into blue-collar america so-called working-class america, union members, nonunion members. in many ways the way trump has as well, wouldn't you say? >> absolutely. they are both populist in their own right. reagan gets overlooked was conservative to him conservative was to be a populist populist hand was a populist hand was to be anti-too much corporate power and take too much government power and that's what a true populist is come against any concentration of power. that's donald donald trump's meo an a lot message to underlie that this issue is whether abortio

liberal appointee to the supreme court by gerald ford. longest-serving liberal justice in modern times has lamented the treatment of a conservative judge prevents her fpreventedfrom joining him on te court by joe biden. the failed supreme court nomination of robert borg change public perception of would-be jurists, seen and now for their political views then legal experience and qualifications says retired justice jon paul stevens. i've always ranked him, as the most persuasive solicitor general who represented the united states before the supreme court wha while i was a justice. i thought and still think he was eminently qualified for the position. of course president reagan nominated and then senator joe biden was the chairman of the committee. presided over confirmation hearings and is viewed as helping lay the groundwork for a hyper politiforhyper political n battles that persist today. joe biden destroyed the confirmation system in the senate. he unleashed the filibuster against the judges and judicial nominees. really in a major way

i was in college, the next time they had a presidential debate, 16 years later, in 1976 between gerald ford and his opponent. televised debates are not mandatory part of presidential campaigning. they are a show created by and for television. they did not exist before television. no one thought they were necessary. the historically famous lincoln douglas debates were not presidential debates. they were debates for an illinois senate campaign which abraham lincoln lost. the television version of debate does not actually test presidential skills. in the rooms were presidents govern, they are never told they only have two minutes to respond to what someone just said in that room. presidents never have to make decisions alone. presidents always have expert advice available to them, as much advice as they want or need. no one has ever run into the oval office and said mr. president, you have 30 seconds to respond. never. they never will. nothing presidential is actually being tested in the phony debates that the television industry pretends are invaluable, because they are really good for the te

found lee's amnesty request and some old files. 105 years after lee's death in 1870, president gerald ford raised the last legal disability on the secessionists leaders on the house court. as members of congress discussing this this, this bill to restore lee's citizenship, u.s. citizenship on the house floor of virginia, congressman caldwell butler asked if robert e lee is not worthy to be a u.s. citizen, then who is up when he goodwin is my dear friend paddy is lewis loved us lawfully. is and so are all of those more ordinary migrants, those migrants failures are far less prominent whose failures don't go to the heart of the very existence of the nation, whose failure don't lead to the deaths of three quarters of a million people. so rather than think about caldwell butler's quest in robert lee is not fit u.s. citizenship that is i like to think poverty he is fit u.s. citizenship that who's not that's why i propose a version of citizenship law that takes into account fact that migrants like u.s. citizens fail will fail in most the time we'll be trying to do right by the people around them

it was not until 1976 so 16 years later there actually was a televised debate gerald ford was the incomet been elected he came after nixon taken on carter he made a mistake and ate debate that is remembered, watch this. >> there is no soviet domination of eastern europe. and there never will be under foreign administration. >> i'm sorry. but i just? in that moment everyone under the umbrella of the cold war do their soviet domination in eastern europe he denied it out right it did not work out for him. >> to underline the importance and how his shift and we internalize these debates are once read one of ronald reagan's campaign advisors had 80% how you look, 15% higher sound and only 5% we have a the said dont if it's right or wrong. we began the era of that's how people internalized. >> it so i spent so much time in the mirror before the show. 80% hi look that's it. cooks are in this error is the most memorable moments in the televise air of debate you have a ronald reagan versus walter mondale in 1984. >> i will not make age an issue of this campaign. i'm not going to exploit for polit

there's nothing like chevy chase imitating president gerald ford's stumbles.e donald trump era, it's prompted a sea change in comedy that has carried over to biden's presidency. the late night hosts appearing to view themselves as bulwarks against trump, careful not to let their humor be with perceived as a advancing his interests in any way. pete: that's right. will: shielding joe biden. pete: so if you joke about biden, you're complicit -- will: in helping trump. rachel: and what is the culture that's driving that? is that hollywood? is it, you know, that they are desiring to be liked in washington too? what is driving it? because, again, some of these motivations confound me. if you're a comedian, a late night comic, you just want to be funny if, and joe biden two gives you lots of material, and you're willing to leave that on the table, leave all that a fun ifny stuff on the table in order to what? will: trump derangement. there's a lot of contributing factors, but trump derangement syndrome in large part. heavy got to go to their cocktail parties and neig

nixon, who was probably facing the same sort of, situation had he not resigned and been pardoned by gerald ford just unsettling internationally because we are considered a beacon. and, when this kind of thing happens, it says, hey, in a sense, it says, hey, the united states is human. >> we'll leave it there. political analyst brian silva, always a pleasure. appreciate the time. brian >> you're very welcome. >> thanks, brian. still ahead tonight, a successful violence prevention program in san francisco looks forward to expansion. have more space will help united players serve more of the community. >> and just a quick reminder here that you can get ktvu on demand on your smart tv through the fox local app. you can watch live newscasts and see all kinds of in-depth content from our newsroom on a variety of topics. it's a free downl d ( ♪ ) you made a cow! actually it's a piggy bank. my inspiration to start saving. how about a more solid way to save? i'm listening. well, bmo helps get your savings habit into shape with a cash reward every month you save. both: cash reward? and there's a cash bon