it is a pleasure to greet our guests. gerald ke, now is founding chairman of the european stability initiative e. s i make on then. messina is head of the migration and diversity department at germany's high english, both foundation and vent alina fund. great. oh, it's european business and finance correspondent for the economist magazine. icon in more and more migrants are choosing that very perilous route to europe across the central mediterranean. why? what striving them? what we know this, this border is a deadly border. one of the deadliest borders in the world. unfortunately. and still it is the pressure which pushes people to go through this hardship and the people have the information. it's not that the people don't know the hardships they have to go through. so through the militia controlled libya, all these violence against human rights and the military and see the pushback information is there. however, the pressure people are feeling beat political, be the war, beat economical, beat, the climate. so that is the pressure which push people into this dangerous situation. let me ask yo