the pipe also says lead as must we discover the purpose of serving humanity. gerald o'connell is vatican correspondent for america magazine. he's also the author of the election of pipe, francis and inside account of the cold play that changed history and josie now from rome. good. have you with us, mr. coleman on the program? i mean, in recent days we've heard the pipe speak out about sort of the inhumanity shown towards migrants availed response paths to the incoming italian government. and perhaps the precursor to what was in this book. well yes, in spoken about migrants because we've got the worst humanitarian crisis in terms of migrants and refugees since the 2nd world war and pop frances has spoken very clearly that we're effectively on the brink of a 3rd world war. he speaks about. we've got a world war in pieces currently being conducted and we're at the risk of a 3rd world war if the war in ukraine continues. and so he's appealing very strongly to, to international organizations like the united nations, but also to leaders of governments and different countries to resolve this q