she wants to know for some knowledge i'm joined now in the studio by and from the german institute for international security thanks for being here and i see you again the last we spoke about that similar situation isn't it now i miss that if i have that yesterday on the eve of a major religious holiday i guess the question i want to find out is that the generals in control of their own forces yes i think they are and i think specifically the general who's commanding there are safe the record support forces those who committed most of the atrocities yesterday he did command them to do that so he is in control and he wanted this to happen now. that is interesting isn't it because you would assume that the way the surgeon was going for an international committee was you know supporting whatever was going on and then this what's the strategy there good question i think the general the vice president of the trend of the military council transitional military council he announced on friday that he will not do with the with the protesters any more he considers them disruptive elements and that he feels like those

join me now in studio as marcus calm from the german institute for international and security affairs and marcus we've seen escalations between these 2 countries ramping up for months now i mean how dangerous is this current situation i don't expect the outbreak of lagos timothy's between the united states and around the foreseeable future for 2 reasons for. this is the removal of the military capabilities. in fear in terms of conventional military capabilities and on the of it we have a u.s. president having proclaimed in the last election campaign that he would be withdrawing the united states military from the middle east and he has given his word on this so on think there's no risk of me just question however or really concerns me is the danger of an unintended accidental. imagine you are in iranian patrolling both approach things slowly. getting fred feels threatened fire they already has finally begun to arrive in the middle of some kind of escalation well what do you make a of this situation that i mean we've seen this. alleged evidence presented by the united states i mean how

and earlier we spoke with steinberg from the german institute for international and security affairs he told us that the world should prepare for an armed conflict between the united states and iran the strait of hormuz is crucial to the flow of middle east oil exports therefore a strategic position for iran to attack let's have a listen it's simply it's the energy region off the plate of the planet some of the biggest oil and gas supporters. in the persian gulf among them saudi arabia kuwait qatar as a gas exporter and the straits of hormuz is is quite a narrow narrow place and the iranians by using them put mines by using all these small means top and so on would be able to prevent many ships from passing through and that is that is why these events are so dangerous and if this goes on as it has been going on for 2 months now we will see a military escalation before the end of the ministrations. and that was get us steinberg from the german institute for international and security affairs speaking with earlier today the world health organization is to hold an emergency meeting in ge

let's get more now we're joined here in the studio by don burke from the german institute for international and security affairs a think tank here in berlin welcome to the program good morning. to tell us because we see the united states there clearly pointing to iran are you convinced. i am convinced not by the u.s. argumentation yet but simply by the coincidence it is in the iranian model models operandi to use limpet mines and to show the united states that they have opportunities. to attack the flow of oil in the persian gulf in the straits of hormuz but at the same time they are not attacking directly i think there are clear signs that the iranians are responsible the u.s. navy fleet is now in the region we know that this comes against a really intense backdrop of tensions between these 2 countries aronne and the united states where do you see this heading i don't know yet because after the latest escalation last month there was widespread fear of a military escalation and that has eased a little bit simply because president trump said that he personally is not interested he is a pale and bolton mi