siemens talking about their executive training program. seems like there has been a lot of focus on trying to replicate what has been done in germany and otherces in europe, get people to do apprenticeships and think more seriously about two years of college or community college. what is the challenge of getting programs like that in the u.s.? it's about gearing up at the local and state level. washington can help, there is a lot of discussion about the potential. maybe the federal government ought to recognize, i think about 25 states today would have what would he considered to be an imprint -- an apprenticeship encouraging businesses to work with training institutions, like community colleges and, in some cases, regional collaborations of what would be high schools coming together to figure out, by talking with business. one thing we are looking at is how do you get these workforce every part ofrd, america has a workforce board. are they linked to training and education? often the answer is no, or not very effectively. the washington conversation is outstanding and there is, from the secretary and the council on domestic policy, there is