>> i started as a lawyer working on the case but geronimo pratt, a black panther case. that ended up after 27 years to be proven. and we have learned that law enforcement' officers had good evidence or statutory evidence, let people commit perjury, said in the room and -- sat in the room to destroy evidence to convict someone who was innocent. and that is how i started my career as a lawyer. when i started that case, i began thinking this was a big conspiracy to frame this man. what i learned is -- and i discussed this with geronimo -- we are experiencing men and women who thought the end justified the means. they thought they had a bad man and it was ok to do anything necessary to convict him. as i look back on my career, present and future, i think we see that that is the concept that runs through police misconduct. i am sure there are officers who were just bad, let's say. i think officers see what they consider bad people, and they feel like they have to do what ever it takes to convict them. and i have seen it when i was a young lawyer, when we had narcotics teams,

>> i started as a lawyer working on the case but geronimo pratt, a black panther case. that ended up after 27 years to be proven. and we have learned that law enforcement' officers had good evidence or statutory evidence, let people commit perjury, said in the room and -- sat in the room to destroy evidence to convict someone who was innocent. and that is how i started my career as a lawyer. when i started that case, i began thinking this was a big conspiracy to frame this man.

they do talk about the forefront, but can you address that in a few of time and draws what geronimo pratt talked about the shooting at ucla that was really, you know, that we need to get into the divide, those really the next that -- >> those are two tough questions. let me say, i think that on the issue of chauvinism within the black panther party, a lot of it also had to do with where you were. and so, i can't deny any experience that his sister said she had in the black panther party. but i have to say in new york in a lot of places in the east code like in boston, you know, when erica hutchence was up in connecticut and new york with sisters didn't have that. you know, the sisters struggle, the sisters would call you on it. the sisters would make the brothers like what we thought we were too busy running around, come on i've got to help you out. sister struggled against that and introduce the black community to we didn't have before about sexism and male chauvinism. any of the sisters usually when you time and sisters of the room and i would like them to identify the problem. i'm prou