we have gerrymandering, both parties gerrymander and have from the beginning. the new role of big money is quite significant. since citizens united, a small handful of mega-donors genuinely have transformed campaign finance. in the last election the top 100 donors gave more than the other 4.75 million small donors combined. there is a level of concentration, the we haven't seen since the days of jpmorgan and the robber barons. those are the recent trends, the scary trends. why am i optimistic? why do i find myself energized by this moment? the answer is there is more agitation, more concern, more wide understanding of the ways in which the system is broken than we have had in a long long time. the book talks about this. in this election you have candidates from all over the place whether it is bernie sanders talking about campaign finance reform is a central issue, donald trump, with all the other things he is doing on the one hand saying he is the only candidate on the republican side who can't be bought by contributions, gladly embracing the endorsement of th

if you look at the gerrymandered districts and then to take control of the house and the senate it beeto-proof of the governor and you are in charge that is what has happened in north carolina in the very conservative group that put our legislation i believe our state has passed more of this type of legislation in the country if you're looking at the voter identification requirements in the right to vote now has all of these things subjected to it those of the kinds of things that i think people have to wake up to and realize this is not what the majority wants we have so many gerrymandered congressional seats were democrats voted for congressional races but yet we have 10 republicans and three democrats and what that says to us we have to look a different way to take the politics out of the gerrymandered districts that don't know the number but there are so few contested races they are all gerrymandered that is something the next president will be focused on as well as hopefully elected officials it is a problem for democracy in our country >> so much pressure has come to bear becaus

we've already had gerrymandering, both parties and have from the beginning. but the new role of big money is quite significant. since citizens united a small handful of mega- donors genuinely have transformed campaign finance. in the last election the top 100 donors gave more than the other 4.75 million small donors combined. that is a level of concentration of political money that we have not seen since the days of jpmorgan and the robber barons. so those are the recent trends, the scary trends. wife in am i optimistic, why do i find myself surprisingly energized by this moment? the answer isn't that there's more education, more concern, more white understanding of the way the system is broken than we've had in a long, long time. the book talks about this. in this election of candidates from all over addressing these issues whether it's ernie sander stunned by campaign finance reform as a central issue. donald trump with all the other things he's doing on the one in saying that he's the only candidate in the republican side who can't be bought by contributio

and there's the gerrymandering on top of it. and we have a two-party system in the united states.and if we were in europe, they would be the trump party from a right wing populist party, it would be the rubio, roche party, centrist party, clinton part and more voices would feel represented. is a long-standing trends but have to say low turnout wasn't last week and it wasn't even just since 1960. it's been going on for a long time. a lot of it also, we all have to take some responsibly ourselves, we americans, and take advantage of the freedom of rights that we do have. >> my name is sarah brown, and i'm a longtime fan of the center's work, so thank you both. and the question is can going back to the point of optimism and what you spoke about with regards to expanding voter registration and the development we've seen in oregon and california specifically i'm really interested in what strategies like to those changes. was a grassroots group applying pressure against existing power? was it a little changed and political leadership shifts or was it a litigation strategy? and do you th

not so much on gerrymandering. reapportionment happens every 10 years. the delegation in the house of delegates -- in the house of representatives is fixed at -- based on population growth or population decline, different states get different representatives. you are guaranteed a minimum of one representative in california has the most but every 10 years we reapportion and states will redistrict. they will redraw the boundaries of the district's and if the state uses a political protect a to help political party or incumbents, we call that type of redistricting gerrymandering. host: our next caller is bethany from florida. i want to give a shout out to my ap government teacher ms. carbone because she makes the subjects of much fun. differentiate between the different committees in college congress and senate. guest: too often we think is about the legislative process. committees is where the work gets done. know the difference between the different types. is standingce committees and conference committees. standing committees are permanent committees in

and gerrymandering has undermined that. and on social media, the shouters take the floor.these they shout. that forces discussion off the table. david: we will take time to talk about the primary tomorrow in indiana. you through your support behind governor john kasich. judd gregg: i did. david: what is his plan going forward who are judd gregg: i haven't talked to him, and he has a long road and it is a narrow path. donald trump is on the superhighway, he is on the dirt road running along beside him. it is clearly, if donald trump wins in the indiana, it seems he is the nominee. david: is donald trump someone you could support? judd gregg: i went to hear marcie has to say. he seems to be erratic and superficial. i want is here what he has to say when it comes to responsibility, the response ability of being a nominee. david: as you watch all of this play out in the republican party , how do you react with it? splityour he clearly between popular on one side, establishment on the other, strong conservatives in the middle, how do you react the way things are fracturing? jud

we now have so many gerrymandered congressional seats. more democrats voted in north carolina for congressional races and yet we still heal ten republicans and three democrats. what that says to us is that we have to look at a different way to take the politics out of these gerrymandered district. there are so few contested congressional house races in this country because they're all gerrymandered. so thosing theired i think -- the president will be focused on as well as hopefully elected officials. it's a problem for democracy. in our country. [inaudible question] -- koch brothers and so much pressure has come to bear that a number of appropriations have actually withdrawn from alex because it flies in the face of what we consider democracy in this country. >> most definitely. >> and democratic politics with a small d. >> but there's a big movement in north carolina and we'll see significant change. >> any other questions? >> back to your question again, education, i think, is one of the most important things that government can do. bec

you have to be a voter in the district that's allegedly gerrymandered. so how is it that a voter in district four could not bring the challenge? but the representatives of the district can? mr. carvin: certainly people in adjacent districts are injured, they are not under the 14th amendment because their rsonal rights to incrimination. but we are a defendant appealing in adverse order. we're not saying it violates their constitutional rights. they're arguing it disrupts the status quo by changing the rule and that's what they're defending. this court has made it clearly in several cases that obviously if the remedial order puts the defendants in the worst position than they were, they have a direct stake in the outcome of the appeal and they can appeal. if the rule otherwise, justice ginsburg, no defendant could ever appeal an adverse order because the adverse order virtually never are alleged to violate their right. so it's precisely the same sort of injury suffered by representative forbes as we would be suffered by an incumbent who lived in district t

to of equal population is classic to political gerrymandering and they had no standing to challenge the fact recognizing that is different than anything else we give the incumbent special distinctions with term limits the court held that unconstitutional to make it more difficult for companies to be reelected because they have failing campaign so we are talking about a well recognized constitutional right and do have very different factual interest but the sole reason the representative of it is because of this order i don't know why they would allow the federal judiciary to hijack the most intensely partisan in legislation and that we have. >> let me give you a hypothetical. >> if there are racist map of drawers who say we really want to segregate african-americans that is the first statement it turns out they vote in a particular way and second to we will achieve a partisan the advantage as a result now what should be the right answer to that question? civic that is precisely the answer from alabama the but you can argue to segregate it invalidated all districts in alabama is said

david: it is still not all that high because of gerrymandering.ats is the most would see in play on the republican side. an example of a member in a real as it is, a guy like carlos cabello from florida's 26th district, he represents a heavily cuban district. he's a cuban-american. it is a highly educated latino district. he has said he will never vote for trump. another district might be virginia's 10th district, where barbara comstock has given money that donald trump gave to her a couple years ago back. those are the kinds of places we will be watching carefully. >> dave wasserman, jennifer jacobs, you guys make our friday. please come back again soon and have a good weekend. we will have the second king of our show tonight, residential grade guru josh king will the candidates this cycle. ♪ >> we are closing our really big shoe with a really big guest. josh king is a former director of production for presidential events for bill clinton and his white house, also the author of the fabulous new book, "guide to white house stagecraft, campaign spe

guest: we love reapportionment, not so much, gerrymandering. have a0 years, we census.ased on population growth or decline, different states get different representatives. you're guaranteed a minimum of one representative in california has the most. every 10 years, we reapportion. every 10 years, states will re-district. they will redraw the boundaries of the districts, and, if the state has a political motivation to help protect the political party or incumbents, we call that gerrymandering. ist: our next caller stephanie from florida. go ahead. caller: i just want to give a shout out to my ap government teacher pay she makes the subject so much fun. my question is how do you differentiate between the committees in congress? guest: this is a great question because committees is really where the legislative work gets done. committees is where the work gets done. know the difference between the different types. difference between standing committees and conference committees. standing committees are the permanent committees in the house and the senate. they are permanent

>> still not all that high because of gerrymandering. is probably the most we see in play on the republican side. an example of a member who is in a real bind as it is is a guy like carlos from florida's 26th district. he represents a heavily cuban district. he is cuban american. that's a well educated, high lat latino district. he said he will never vote for trump. another district might be virginia's tenth district where barbara comstock has given money that donald trump gave to her a couple of years ago back. those are the kinds of places we'll be watching carefully. >> david wasserman, jennifer jacobs, you guys make our friday. come back soon and have a good weekend. coming up, we'll have the second king of our show tonight. presidential optics guru josh king will grade the candidates this cycle. we'll be right back with that after this. i couldn't sleep... so i couldn't get up in time. then i found aleve pm. aleve pm is the only one to combine a sleep aid plus the 12-hour strength of aleve... for pain relief that can last into the m

we have gerrymandering going on, and the intent of the law has been abused, and hopefully that will changehat we realize the value of each person having a voice. that is what we should stand for. that should be the hallmark. charlie: the relationship with moyers, he is a friend of mine and i worked with him, is the most interesting and complex and undefinable for me. people that were close to lyndon johnson said he would like a son, but he left. he left the white house. bryan cranston: he did. charlie: johnson, you know better than me there you bryan cranston: i don't know if you know less, because you knew bill. i was able to sit down with him and his wife judith. a story that judith told that was related -- relayed to me and robert schenkkan, we did not have it in the play, but we put it in the movie to show the lbjct that lady bird had on . and it is a moment when, back in the day, in our youth, there were cigarettes on every copy table in every house. was the same.nch at one point, lbj would pick up a cigarette and light it and just start smoking. and labored would not dare to embarras

start with gerrymandering and what they've done to the congressional districts. the party basically drew diversity out of their districts to the point 95% of republican house districts are majority white. result, republicans don't have diverse constituencies which means they don't need to appeal to minority or swing voters. it's districts like that compromising become as i liability and gridlock, called standing on principle, ends up being rewarded. these are conditions that have bred the bigger problems today in a presidential environment. it's fed a media bubble basically put talk radio on tv, creating a booming, yet narrowly targeted feedback loop. and it's made the general election very hard for republicans to win, even though from -- that's why for much of the base, mitt romney and mccain's losses get reinforced their view, that the best way to win was via conservative purity. but mccain and romney might argue they lost because of how the base has damaged the party's brand nationally. it's also bred isolation and cloaked off attempts to remedy the party stru

it is harder in the house because of redistricting and gerrymandering.ate with statewide raises and donald trump as anchor, you could see people like john mccain lose seats. >> way more republicans have to defend seats than democrats. >> when you hear trump on fox saying that was a suggestion, banning muslims, does that raise concerns? is he backtracking for general election? >> it doesn't. certainly policies that are an end and certain that are means. pro-life, that's an end we want to achieve. the muslim ban was never an end. >> does he want a ban on muslims? >> that's never been his policy, keeping muslims out. policy goal is to protect the borders. that's the means he suggested to that end. >> i don't understand, is he going to pursue, maybe we don't know this, do you think he is going to pursue a temporary ban on muslims entering the u.s. or do you think he is not? >> he is going to suggest that, say this is what needs to be done to secure the border. i assume he would talk with the fbi director and get his input. >> building a wall, is that a sugge

>> where their districts are, whether they're in a safe districts and most of them because of gerrymanderingalso believe this decision can be career changing as well. because if donald trump goes on and wins and you were with him, then you were with the movement and you were with where the party is going. if you endorse him and he goes down in a big way in november, then you're tagged with that. that's something you carry, that you were with what could turn into a barry goldwater year if it were all to go badly. we don't know how it will turn out. these are the kinds of things that every one of those politicians has to measure. what's good for the party? what's good for me? >> when we talk about the kinds of people, the five or six that donald trump says are on his list, the politicians, he says, what about chris christie? it's almost an afterthought the way he phrased it but it could have been the moment. >> what he has risked and used him rhetorically, that the party is starting to unify, my guess is even if chris christie didn't make the real last final short list, he did just to pay back

those are gerrymandered monetize elections.t is a disgrace to our country that we allow that to happen. i always tell people, if you don't like your government, you're looking in the mirror. amy: ralph, we just have two minutes. crisis within the republican party, i mean, what you're saying, have you ever seen this before in your years avolved with politics with really reform asian of the republican party, now that ryan, the house speaker, saying he will step down as the head of the republican convention if trump wants them to. trump has to raise he says $1.5 billion so if it turned of the party that has rejected him. unpredictables ahead. number one, i think the republican party will become the trump dump for a while. it is split in some and he waits. he of the members of the republican party worrying about their own political skin. are they going to get reelected? to theh down the ladder state and local races is this going to occur? trump is only about trump. hard to consider him sacrificing his ego to campaign for other peop

which is about the ways americans -- polarization isn't operating just in congress or through gerrymanderinglly partisan enclaves. >> right. the people are increasingly log among people like them. not just ethnically, but politically, who share their same world views. but this has been part of, you know, the partisan politics in elections for a long, long time. >> the urban/rural divide is ancient. >> right. and republicans have campaigned against the elitism of urban sfis cats and elites and wealthy people. and sometimes in a more subdued or settle subtle way against frankly people of color who live in urban areas. this divide is probably going to be exacerbated this this election. >> that's my prediction, we're going to see all the divides bigger than they have ever been: the gender divide will be the biggest we have ever seen. these sorts of divides -- i think we are going to see huge swings. >> the symmetry between the trump supporters and the most hard core trump support and the most hard core bernie supporters who have turned unfortunate tactics on the internet and the protests and so

they gerrymandered a district on race, it went democrat.u can't do that. the supreme court says you can't sue to. >> you republicans -- stuart: it stays that way. >> right. >> we've got other cases coming up on immigration, you know, the five million illegals who are here that -- stuart: not in yet. >> other supreme court cases coming down. stuart: i think you boiled it down. i think we got it. all right -- >> sure. stuart: to las vegas, please, where the city has seen a 29% rise in homicides from last year. according to police, the police say it's california's lax laws, neighboring california's lax laws that are to blame. >> yeah. so what happened was california, they're saying our state prison population is overcrowded, we're going to make certain offenses just misdemeanors including petty theft, drug offenses. these are gangs -- some of them are gang-related crimes. the guys who are in prison let out of the california prisons went to las vegas. so they've actually seen a more than doubling in homicide rates, you know, sexual assaults, ho

. >> but we said that in the congressional districts is they're gerrymandered proper protect the party all democrats in maryland have the advantage that they beat the republican 2-1 in registration. >> i still believe when you're running for governor, i bet most folks said he was pretty much probably a shoe-in for that race. >> they may have, but a congressional sdrirkt is different than a state. that's the point. that's why republicans will probably hold on to the house because they have -- and it also speaks why all the elections are as equally important as presidential elections. >> we should witch toswitch to e maryland. law professor turned state senator defeated david trone.wi maryland. law professor turned state senator defeated david trone.it maryland. law professor turned state se maryland. law professor turned state senator defeated david trone.ch maryland. law professor turned state senator defeated david trone. s maryland. law professor turned state senator defeated david trone. and obviously cakathleen matthe. it looked like the record of raskin was what did it. a lot of m

it is harder in the house because of redistricting and gerrymandering.e senate with statewide raises and donald trump as anchor, you could see people like john mccain, people you never expected, lose their seats. >> way more republicans have to defend seats than democrats. >> when you hear trump on fox saying that was a suggestion, banning muslims, does that raise concerns? is he backtracking for general election? >> it doesn't. here is the thing. you have certain policies that are an end and certain policies that are a means. pro-life, that's an end we want to achieve. the muslim ban was never an end. >> does he want a ban on muslims? >> that's never been his policy, keeping muslims out. policy goal is to protect the borders. that's the means he suggested to that end. >> i don't understand, is he going to pursue, maybe we don't know this, do you think he is going to pursue a temporary ban on muslims entering the u.s. or do you think he is not? >> he is going to suggest that, say this is what needs to be done to secure the border. i assume he would talk

but where we are today politically in the makeup of the how we get elected, the gerrymandering that existsn the house seats. some states that are now all red or all blue, it's hard to get -- generate consensus because both parties are worried about either the left or the right. they're not worried about the center. the rational center as some would say. and so one of the things that we have done, the president has implemented 23 of the executive orders, and you know them, i'm thought go i not going to go through, expanding mental health benefits to 60 million more people so there's access, et cetera, but has come up with some pretty controversial in the minds of some executive actions that are helping. but one of the things that you talked about today, background checks. i asked because the president has asked me to lead this effort, i asked us to go back and take a look at how well are we at the federal level doing our job to deal with, let's say, background checks. i'm the guy with brady who actually insisted on the nik system being set up. it was the compromise that was going to allow f

order, doingular away with gerrymandering, put some limits on how campaign money can be spent.resentative rick nolan in his fifth term. you used to represent the sixth district in minnesota from 1975 to 1981. democrat, virginia. caller: good morning, everybody. i am calling because i was first going to say, what is the difference between hillary and bernie? think the difference is bernie is an honest man and hillary is it -- a dishonest woman. i am a democrat but i sometimes vote for republican. whoever i feel is the best candidate. the one who called from massachusetts. i will never vote for hillary. if she gets the nomination, people will support donald trump like myself. guest: to be sure, there are differences. one of those is bernie's authenticity. today that it was 10 years ago and 20 years ago and 40 years ago, that is a virtue that resonates with the american people and it resonates with me. it arguably, hillary, is, on a positive way, a more nuanced politician. more clever, trying to play all sides of the issue. and find the balancing. i will never forget walter, who w

i don't like the gerrymandering. i don't like the way politics is developing.. put me down as slightly disappointed. >> there's been a lot of discontent on both sides of the political spectrum, if you look at either one of the political parties now. they're having issues. whether it be the democratic national convention looking out at bernie sanders still running, and running pretty hard. whether you look at trump who is complete outsider who looks like he's in the full position to take over the republican nomination. you've been a lifelong republican, what do you think about the situation you're facing in your own party? >> well, in my own party, i think the future looks a look like brigade against the cannons of -- >> happily gone. >> i like that politician who said his party was trying to buy a ticket on the titanic after seeing the movie. >> that was kasich -- no lindsey graham. as wanted to run as donald trump's second on the ticket? >> either of the two main candidates are likely to lead the charge for the brigade against the cannons. >> andrew has a ques

. >> we gerrymandered the system so badly. >> guys, this is like hamilton. you should take this to broadway. this is good. >> here's the bottom line. every four years or eight years, a new president comes into town and they believe they are the first people to ever get elected president. i have had this conversation with three administrations when they come in. and they don't realize that they still have to play by the rules of washington. so where is paul ryan after donald trump's elected president? he's still the most powerful guy when it comes to getting legislation started. >> if donald trump wins, he will win on the basis of an insurgency to break the washington you're describing where people say i'm going to talk to the rules committee. that's what people will be rebelling against. that's going to be powerful. >> that doesn't mean the structures are gone. >> but the rules committee is still there. donald will not be able -- what does he do? donald still has to come through him. they still have to make a deal. >> what do you think the tea party did in 2

congressional seats when you take a look at the congressional map. 90% of the states is safe because of gerrymanderingim kanova, great to see you. thank you for taking the time to come on. we appreciate it. >> thank you. we appreciate it. >> flags lined the votes to they were torn down because they violated the city code. graduate from college, next step move in with your parents? >> one millennial said it's the smart thing to do. he joins us next ♪ i can't live ♪ i can't live anymore. in your mouth and throat. zantac works in as little as 30 minutes. nexium can take 24 hours. try cool mint zantac. no pill relieves heartburn faster. i'm in vests and as a vested investor in vests, i invest with e*trade, where investors can investigate and invest in vests... or not in vests. sign up at etrade.com and get up to six hundred dollars. ♪ no, you're not ♪ yogonna watch it! ♪tch it! ♪ ♪ we can't let you download on the goooooo! ♪ ♪ you'll just have to miss it! ♪ yeah, you'll just have to miss it! ♪ ♪ we can't let you download... uh, no thanks. i have x1 from xfinity so... don't fall for directv. xfinity lets y

but where we are today politically, and the makeup of how we get elected, the gerrymandering that exists in the house seats. some states that are now all red or all blue. it's hard to get, generate consensus because both parties are worried about either the left or the right. they're not worried about the center. the rational center as some would say. and so one of the things that we have done, the president has it implemented 23 of the executive orders. you know. i'm not going to go through them. from increasing school resource officers, expanding mental health benefits, 60 million more people so there's access, et cetera. but has come up with some brit controversial in the minds of some executive actions that are helping. but one of the things you talked about today, background checks. the president asked me to lead this effort. i asked us to go back and take a look at how well are we at the federal level doing our job to deal with, let's say, background checks? i'm a guy with brady who actually insisted on the next system being set up. it was the compromise that was fwoin going to all