still with me, gershon distenfeld, kathleen gaffney, and luke hickmore. a lot of people talking about liquidity, illiquidity, and making sure you have some liquidity. gershon, talk me through why that is so significant at this state of the cycle? gershon: i think we over emphasize liquidity in the short run in general as it relates to the end investor. we talked in the previous segment about having continuous liquidity in etf. -- etf versus daily etf. most investors should not have data liquidity. it actually hurts them. it is important in this part of the cycle, professional managers that want to move their portfolio around, if there is not proper liquidity, it will be very difficult or very costly. jonathan: size matters here? kathleen: size definitely definitely matters here. being nimble is a great advantage. when you are large, it is very difficult to make meaningful moves. luke, yourocate thoughts on this subject? luke: i think it depends what instruments you have got available to you. there are more liquid instruments than physical cash for sure, a