i agree with judge gertner that this motion is likely to go nowhere. >> judge gertner, how often do judges actually grant motions to recuse themselves? >> it's not often. and particularly not when it is saying that a comment that you made in a court proceeding somehow casts doubt on whether or not you can be fair in this case. let me say that, to some degree, trump's comments about, you know, whether or not the public will accept this verdict if it stays before judge chutkan is, to some degree -- there's an innocuous spin on that, which is the standard here is the appearance of impartiality. and to some degree, it's saying, will the public accept something from a judge that we think is biased? but, as i said before, i don't think that judge chutkan said anything different than any other judge in any of the other cases. >> yeah. andrew, i mean, as paula reid reported, the former president also asked a georgia court to dismiss several state level charges against him. how common is that? is there any reason to think he would be successful? >> very little reason to think he'd be successful. it

nancy girdner gertner -- lecturer at harvard law -- all tied to billionaire harlan crow.and i -- historian, propublica, that thomas had, at one point, disclosed the private plane trips by harlan crow. then there was an l.a. times article about it and the disclosures stopped. other judges have disclosed private plane trips. all of the experts say that the disclosure rules even before they were recently amended to clarify this issue, even before that, require disclosure of anything set personal hospitality. one of the plane trips was a flight to new haven to give a speech. he was well outside of personal hospitality. but let me just say, to the broader context, every every federal judge is listening to this. every federal judge that has been on the benches barred from taking money for speeches, is restricted to how much money you can get in teaching, is restricted to travel that is just, you know, economy travel. and the reason for that is not just actual impropriety. but it's the appearance of impropriety. it's the concern that we don't look like we are bought. and even if

. >> nancy gertner is the former new york district judge, now a law school professor.n the manhattan district attorney's office, and they both join me. >> nancy, i want to start with you. talking to a former federal judge about all of this. i want to start with the sentencing. it's a huge part of what federal judges do. there was a lot of, if i am not mistaken, a whole lot of litigation over the guidelines and equity and a redoing of them. you have to justify departures from the gotten's, it's too complex to get your head around. but how do you think as a judge about sentencing and about what are called downward departures, where you will make the extraordinary step to sort of say, the law calls for this, i am going to say, that they will get less. >> that's a big topic i am writing a book about. >> there, you go. >> i mean, i think, ordinarily, before there are guidelines, it made sense for a judge to prepare the person in front of him like the people who did the crime. in other words, it was a continuing of the crime. if you had someone at the higher and, then that p