until after the election. >> judge gertner, i mean, how do you think that's going to play out based on everything you know about judge cannon and the status of the other trump cases in different juristic jurisdictions. >> there's a way in which the department of justice was sort of i don't think actually outmaneuvered, but i do think they're trying to help my new for them. we just to say they buried the heart of justice barry, the defendant, with all the kind of information that no defendant ever gets at the beginning of a trial. i mean, they would be no delay on the part of disclosure. now, the lawyers for trump are trying to say, well, okay, we actually want to disclose some of which you've disclosed to us which means uncovering witnesses and to some degree jeopardizing classified information. they want to use the proceedings. as paula said, to be part of the campaign. and then the latest filing, they they really tried to make a selective prosecution argument, which is the notion that you're prosecuting me, but you we didn't prosecute hillary clinton, joe biden, et cetera. et cetera.

. >> judge gertner, a former federal judge, also joins us, judge, what wouldn't be the likelihood that the full dc appeals court would overrule that three judges panel ruling on immunity extremely unlikely in fact, i think that the time it took for this decision to come out was time that they took to make sure that there would be no dissenters, not only on the three-judge panel, but also on the dc circuit i would imagine that that was what was going on. that others on the full panel, we're even seeing this decision to make sure that it was bulletproof so i i don't think that that would be a very substantial delay. >> do you think the supreme court is likely to take it up, judge? >> you know, this it's very hard to figure out, but one possibility here is that they deny cert on the immunity question and deny disqualification and that way they look very, judge like so explain what the result of that would be >> well, the result of that would be the della trump would be on the ballot in the various states. but the various prosecutions would go forward. in other words, immunity is denied an

judge gertner. thank you. carrie cordero paula reid, as well, and joined right now by democratic congresswoman nancy pelosi, former house speaker, about to figure. thank you for being with us. so the foreign president's trying to rewrite history, looters, ludicrously. now claiming you or behind the insurrection, the capitol saying he should have total immunity you've seen a lot of presidents of close, if a president had total immunity as trump claims, what would that mean? what would that actually look like? >> that would mean that height. anderson, nice to be with you? that would mean that this president thinks that he is above the wall. and i think that he is on trial for certain things. i think the supreme court is on trial as well to see if they would uphold the decision of the dc district court. and and while the four votes to hear it, five votes for a stay how could they possibly give a stay for justice to proceed? how could they possibly give a stay? so this is really, again, he always thought he was ab